Don't tell people off for being angry at this. And for fucks sake he's not "trying to be better". He's not even acknowledged the magnitude of his horrific racism. He said all of this while promoting his movie. So yeah fuck Liam.
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Liam Neeson's real-life rape/revenge tale (See Staff Post)
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Don't tell people off for being angry at this. And for fucks sake he's not "trying to be better". He's not even acknowledged the magnitude of his horrific racism. He said all of this while promoting his movie. So yeah fuck Liam.
Yes, the mind crime of physically prowling the streets looking for a black person to murder.
The fuck is this.
Just to be specific, his mind did not go blank, his mind went "was the rapist black".
Replies like this make me question how many have been on the receiving end of anti-black hatred and violence.
The logic used to justify Liam Neeson's attempted hate crime (he was in a bad state of mind, he was a victim to rage) can be used to defend any hate crime. And it has. Black men have been lynched for centuries because they happened upon the wrong angry white man at the wrong time.
These excuses cannot be allowed to enter the public discourse.
These excuses cannot be allowed to enter the public discourse.
Well, I guess if I think about it, my point was that there is no excusing what he did since he himself didn't even excuse it.
There are a lot of bad people out there. I just don't want them to stay in hiding. I want them to become better people.
To be perfectly honest, a lot of my posts come from a place where I'm scared that seeing stuff like this deters some people from opening up. I'm scared that by getting mad at someone for opening up it sends the wrong message.
I'm also understanding that it's not the opening up that most people have a problem with.
There are a couple of issues here and I'm not even sure I quite understand ERA's reaction.
1. Liam came out and revealed some shit that he did a long time ago, and reflected on how horrible he felt about it and how bad it was. He wasn't EXPOSED. It wasn't UNCOVERED or a SLIP UP. He revealed it as a teachable moment? A moment of reflection? Whatever, this is the VERY definition of somebody growing and sharing at their own expense. It was a sacrifice and revealing, because it would've NEVER come up had he not brought it up during this time. Conversely, celebrity Tweets from years ago are EXPOSED all the time, and the celebrity has to back track and make some kind of crazy public gesture to SAVE FACE and to appear contrite. So when somebody genuinely comes out to do this, it's still BAD? Somebody like Governor Northam? Screw that guy. He got busted. Neeson? Is there EVER a time a prominent person can come out, admit some shit at total harm to themselves, be legit remorseful, and the internet doesn't just cancel them?
2. On the other hand, he was remorseful *only* about the violence. No idea how he feels about Black people now. If he's harboring some kind of deep resentment towards black men, he kept it low key forever. No rumors about inappropriate behavior, no idiot tweets or social media foolery. If he's racist, at least he's a quiet one...which is a helluva an assumption because I've never talked to the man. If he goes off spouting dumb crap about minorities now? Cancel him. Otherwise, unless someone is going to approach him and have the audacity to psychoanalyze the man on his current convictions, despite model behavior (as these celebs go), then I don't see anything here.
Please let me know if i said anything bannable or offensive and i'll delete the whole reply. I just re-read this thing 3x just to make sure. I'm not advocating for Liam Neeson because I couldn't care less about the man. I'm not excusing racism. I'm a black man that he might've killed had he met me in his rage. I'm just trying to understand these reactions.
1. Liam came out and revealed some shit that he did a long time ago, and reflected on how horrible he felt about it and how bad it was. He wasn't EXPOSED. It wasn't UNCOVERED or a SLIP UP. He revealed it as a teachable moment? A moment of reflection? Whatever, this is the VERY definition of somebody growing and sharing at their own expense. It was a sacrifice and revealing, because it would've NEVER come up had he not brought it up during this time. Conversely, celebrity Tweets from years ago are EXPOSED all the time, and the celebrity has to back track and make some kind of crazy public gesture to SAVE FACE and to appear contrite. So when somebody genuinely comes out to do this, it's still BAD? Somebody like Governor Northam? Screw that guy. He got busted. Neeson? Is there EVER a time a prominent person can come out, admit some shit at total harm to themselves, be legit remorseful, and the internet doesn't just cancel them?
2. On the other hand, he was remorseful *only* about the violence. No idea how he feels about Black people now. If he's harboring some kind of deep resentment towards black men, he kept it low key forever. No rumors about inappropriate behavior, no idiot tweets or social media foolery. If he's racist, at least he's a quiet one...which is a helluva an assumption because I've never talked to the man. If he goes off spouting dumb crap about minorities now? Cancel him. Otherwise, unless someone is going to approach him and have the audacity to psychoanalyze the man on his current convictions, despite model behavior (as these celebs go), then I don't see anything here.
Please let me know if i said anything bannable or offensive and i'll delete the whole reply. I just re-read this thing 3x just to make sure. I'm not advocating for Liam Neeson because I couldn't care less about the man. I'm not excusing racism. I'm a black man that he might've killed had he met me in his rage. I'm just trying to understand these reactions.
Sadly they've always been in public discourse and now need to be removed.
"I'm gonna murder the first black bastard who gives me an excuse"
Hmm...I feel like there may be some racist undertones here but you must understand he was very angry about black people
Undertones may ass. It was all pure racism there's nothing else to it. If he spent his time trying to find that actual dude then you could maybe try to argue something else but all this dude was doing was looking for some innocent person to lynch nothing more nothing less.
No, what you're doing is wagging your little finger of judgment at people because they aren't okay with what Neeson did.
So have you been on the receiving end of such anti-black racism and violence?
Okay?
Yeah
Until then, I'm looking at him with extreme disappointment. And even if he does address this, the damage is done.
I feel that the disconnect here is that you're interpreting something that isn't there. Where is Liam trying to "get better" in regards to the racism he displayed? He was telling an annectodote about his regretful feelings about revenge and then completely buried the lede about the deeper problem yet you and others are projecting your desire for him to have learned something and grown in a situation where that's not at all apparent. Maybe if you took a moment to think about that you'd understand why some posters are getting so angry about this, it's not just directed at Liam but it's also the frustration of typical handwaving that always crops up in these threads, it's tiring.
Thread title did not prepare me for that story. It's pretty fucked up and I'm not sure why people are giving him a pass when he hasn't said or shown anything to imply he has gotten help and changed unless there is an update I'm not aware of. Being ashamed of his reaction and relating it as a cautionary tale does not mean he has altered his way of thinking. All it tells me he doesn't go around looking to murder black people anymore to punish the race.
No one should approach him to know about what he thinks about racism. He had a perfect chance to do it himself when he told a story about his own racism to promote a movie. Sadly, he didn't took the chance and never talked about his racism, about how bad it was and how he learned to stop being racist, and how the society overall can be less racist. Nothing about racism was adressed, and he had a hell of a chance to do it.
I mean...we had lots of people in another thread doubting Jussie Smollett was even attacked, because "something was off about the story."
Here, we have a white man that was looking to kill a black man, doesn't even talk about how fucked up that specific detail is, but we're supposed to just think he's grown as a person.
Wow. Admitting in an interview you walked around for a week trying to find someone to murder in a racist hate crime is definitely a new one for a celebrity. What in the fucking fuck.
Everyone who wandered the streets looking to beat black people to death is worthy of immediate, unquestioning forgiveness by black people. Is that?
Perfect straw man to through into this thread about attempted lynchings. it's not like it's immediately transparent what your trying to do but you do you.
No. But there's little to no indication that Neeson doesn't still have racist thoughts or do racist/bigoted things. All he admitted to during the interview is that he discovered revenge killing innocent people is wrong.
I don't care if a racist becomes a better person or if a racist never acts on their racism.
The net result is still that, in practicality, I have one less person to worry about.
Having been through periods when I worried that my suicidal desires would result in me deciding to violently lash out at others and harm them in the process along with myself, I understand what he was trying to say about the danger of seeing violence as a means to an end and how it can lead you to do horrible things, though I never went beyond the ideation phase. Whether or not he should be a role model, evidently he shouldn't be, I would hope that maybe this would help stop someone from committing such an act, by having someone who's gone through it before admitting that it was wrong. What I don't understand is how he hand waves away, or rather doesn't deal with at all, the clearly racist element of his vengeful rage during that period and doesn't appropriately discipline himself for his past actions. You can't just put something like that out there, not discuss the elephant in the room, and expect to be taken seriously.
Shame to find out he was a racist piece of shit as a younger man and seems to this day unable to deal with the full context of his past actions.
Shame to find out he was a racist piece of shit as a younger man and seems to this day unable to deal with the full context of his past actions.
There are many people who are mad not because he opened up but because he nonchalantly confessed this while promoting his fucking movie and didn't even acknowledge his violent racism.
From the information we have, he's made no real attempt to address it. For some people, there is no coming back from or forgiveness for prowling the streets looking for black people to murder. And that is totally understandable.
I wish people would stop bringing up stuff like:
"Have you never experienced the darkness of ones soul when you are so full of rage and anger"
Like they are some kind of brooding vigilante anti-hero or something.
Wanting to kill someone is not normal, even when angry
"Have you never experienced the darkness of ones soul when you are so full of rage and anger"
Like they are some kind of brooding vigilante anti-hero or something.
Wanting to kill someone is not normal, even when angry
Exactly.
Liam deserves no props for coming to the fucking obvious moral conclusion that wanting to kill a random black person is wrong.
Of course not, I've just never personally seen anyone that has had a racist past redeem themselves.
Redemption is about your own actions. Other people's forgiveness or opinion of you has zero impact on whether or not you are redeemed.
If we aren't the target of said racism, is it our right to decide? I'm not about to tell black people how they should feel about this situation.
Congrats to Liam Neeson on maybe, possibly realizing that he has at last managed to clear the absolute lowest, most basic level of socially acceptable behavior
Me either, what he did was downright heinous, I was just wondering what people's opinion were on that question
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