Ah ok that makes more sense.
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Not sure how anybody can keep up with all this youtuber and twitter drama or why anyone would want to.
I dont think she did this on purpose and id be surprised if she didnt apologize
Yeah. I just checked her twitter and it seems like she's already moved on. That's a damn shame.
Again, he's saying that comedy shouldn't pick on underdogs, he isn't saying that the art of comedy is entirely to defend them.
saying that comedy is about jokes should be the most obviously factual thing ever. It's not the same as saying that it's cool to attack people or whatever you're trying to infer
You're hung up on such a basic aspect of comedy that is almost to the point of adding a dictionary definition that comedy is about making someone laugh. It's known to everybody so including that would be pointless which is why the point and politics of effective comedy is why I bother to mention about punching up. Because it seems lost on some comedy-inclined people or right wingers.Again, he's saying that comedy shouldn't pick on underdogs, he isn't saying that the art of comedy is entirely to defend them.
saying that comedy is about jokes should be the most obviously factual thing ever. It's not the same as saying that it's cool to attack people or whatever you're trying to infer
they did amazing stuff for lots of other areas and you will "cancel" them because of one stupid things they said?
mostly people here are not asking for people to stop watching them. They just want them to do better in the future. Just because they did a great videos don´t mean they can´t be critiscized when they fuck upYes the "joke" is shitty and transphobic.
But i don't think it is healthy to close yourself from the creators of some of the best youtube has to offer because of this.
Her work, Contrapoints and others mentioned in OP's video are doing amazing stuff that at worst don't show any of those bias they have
they did amazing stuff for lots of other areas and you will "cancel" them because of one stupid things they said?
I absolutely think this is overblown because of the heat of the moment.They are doing more waaaaaaaaaaay good than bad for trans people and this is not a moment to loose allies, even if they are not perfect.
Like if Lindsay makes a video telling people that identifying as an helicopter is the same as being trans or if Contra makes a video saying nb people sux than I can understand...
He did a super long stream trying to finish Donkey Kong 64 that raised money for a charity in the uk that helps trans children. The charity is named Mermaids.
Trans people aren't allowed to even discuss an issue on an unrelated forum without having people try to shut us down or police exactly how we're allowed to express our frustration. That's all people are doing here - posting on a forum. Yet you have you, and many before you, start coming in and talking about how that's harrassment, and invoking things like trans people being murdered.
You don't get to determine whether something is good faith or bad faith simply because one trans person is being polite and the other more curt in their frustrations. People are allowed to post in frustration and it should come as no surprise that when people feel that same irritation over time, that will manifest in some blunt responses. Again though, we're discussing something on a forum. We're not on Twitter sending vile abuse at her daily, we're discussing it within our community. If you're decrying harrassment then decry harrassment, don't use "cancel culture" to muddy the water between the two.
Who in this thread is trying to cancel someone, instead of expressing what they will do based on the frustration they feel? What does it even mean to cancel someone? People aren't obligated to keep watching her content, or keep paying her money to produce it.
Im going to just share this every time someone comes with the "you´re as bad as alt-right" bullshit take every other pageFucking hell this is tiring, just going to quote a bit (just a bit, please read the rest) of Kyuuji's fantastic post from the Contrapoints thread.
It could be worse than ignoring, she could triple down lol!This is indeed a shame. Her videos are often well thought out with some great points. The fact that it seems she's choosing to ignore it rather than address makes it worse.
This is indeed a shame. Her videos are often well thought out with some great points. The fact that it seems she's choosing to ignore it rather than address makes it worse.
And I guess leave it to you to completely disregard any of the grievances trans people have expressed in this and the Contrapoints thread.She is clearly a trans supporter and it was just a poorly thought-out joke that she rightfully deleted. Leave it to Era to judge her to oblivion and act like fucking saints, as usual.
Being a trans supporter (which I mentioned in the OP) doesn't shield you from making transphobic jokes and makes it all the more disappointing because she should be better than this.Her deleting the tweet shows that she knew it was a bad joke. She's clearly a trans supporter. Literally all that needs to be said about this.
Haven't read the whole thread, but I wonder how many people dismissing a transphobic joke as somehow not being a transphobic joke are cis and once again telling trans people we're wrong about trans issues.
It is lovely seeing cis guys telling trans folks who are they allies or not, and when they should take jokes against them or not, and accusing them to "cancelling" (fuck this word already) just because they raise a concern. Lovely.
And I guess leave it to you to completely disregard any of the grievances trans people have expressed in this and the Contrapoints thread.
Because it was a poorly thought-out "joke." She clearly only meant to make fun of Gervais, and no one else. She clearly realized it was a bad joke and deleted it. It's not like she's secretly anti-trans.
Being a trans supporter (which I mentioned in the OP) doesn't shield you from making transphobic jokes and makes it all the more disappointing because she should be better than this.
Also, she didn't delete the second transphobic joke.
Judging her into oblivion is trans people talking about a transphobic joke she made following harsh comments toward the non-binary community?She is clearly a trans supporter and it was just a poorly thought-out joke that she rightfully deleted. Leave it to Era to judge her to oblivion and act like fucking saints, as usual.
Who is being hysterical?But does it deserve anything more than a "oh come on Lindsay, don't be an idiot"? IMO, no. Of course, people have a right to react to this however they want, but people getting hysterical over this when she clearly doesn't have bad intentions are ridiculous IMO.
NO ONE IS SAYING THIS! No one! Only people who are talking about "canceling" are people like you looking to dismiss trans folk's opinions on trans related issues! One can criticize someone for a poor joke, even while recognizing that it wasn't intentional, because intent does not excuse!
Her deleting the tweet shows that she knew it was a bad joke. She's clearly a trans supporter. Literally all that needs to be said about this.
Name who's being hysterical and judging her into oblivion?
i'm holding out hope that she's currently working on an apologyDeleting a tweet after making joke in poor taste is not acknowledging you made a mistake. Addressing it does. If it were someone that wasn't liked on Era, that action would be considered running from the backlash, not acknowledging a mistake. Now, I am in no way saying she should be attacked or that I'm never going to watch her content again, I'm simply saying it's disappointing.
Judging her into oblivion is trans people talking about a transphobic joke she made following harsh comments toward the non-binary community?
Being a trans supporter (which I mentioned in the OP) doesn't shield you from making transphobic jokes and makes it all the more disappointing because she should be better than this.
Also, she didn't delete the second transphobic joke.
It's been almost two days, she seemingly has already moved on from those tweets. By this point the only way the second one it's going to be deleted is by her auto-deletion thing that she says she uses for older tweets.I expect that to be deleted in time, though I'm not sure how long that's been up. I will say that if she keeps that one up, that she deserves some criticism for valuing her ego over valuing respecting the trans community and avoiding harming them further
Name who's being hysterical and judging her into oblivion?
Moreover, why do you think you have the authority to determine how trans people express their frustration in forum threads?
If you acknowledge they are harmful why are you in here shouting down trans people and trying to determine what is and isn't an acceptable amount of frustration to exhibit?I do believe that her "jokes" are unintentionally harmful. That's why the first one was deleted. As for the second one, I expect that to be deleted in time, though I'm not sure how long that's been up. I will say that if she keeps that one up, that she deserves some criticism for valuing her ego over valuing respecting the trans community and avoiding further harm
is there actually any reason to think she feels she might have to comment on it, beyond deleting the tweet? i don't think there is any "official" reddit, and comments on her latest tweets don't seem to mention this, so the only place i have seen this blow up is here on resetera. i doubt she cares about this place.i'm holding out hope that she's currently working on an apology
Is there actually any reason she should address to her trans audience on Twitter who pointed out how her jokes are bad and damaging, and that she'll do better? Yeah.is there actually any reason to think she feels she might have to comment on it, beyond deleting the tweet? i don't think there is any "official" reddit, and comments on her latest tweets don't seem to mention this, so the only place i have seen this blow up is here on resetera. i doubt she cares about this place.
Her joke/tweet is not transphobic. She is making fun of the people making the transphobic jokes, notably that it is the SAME joke every single time. It would be transphobic if the target of the jokes were trans people. That is not who she is making fun of here.
You're not wrong about this, but if you are familiar with Lindsay's commentary on these sorts of issues, I would argue it's a massive reach to suggest she's ignorant to LGBTQ and minority issues.
Haven't read the whole thread, but I wonder how many people dismissing a transphobic joke as somehow not being a transphobic joke are cis and once again telling trans people we're wrong about trans issues.
And raising concerns vs hysterics.
Leave it to Era to judge her to oblivion and act like fucking saints, as usual
i'm not saying there isn't a reason to address it, i'm simply wondering is there any visible demand for her to do so beyond deleting her tweet. i can't find any.Is there actually any reason she should address to her trans audience on Twitter who pointed out how her jokes are bad and damaging, and that she'll do better? Yeah.
That goes without saying, imo. It's inherent to the point.And raising concerns vs hysterics.
The non caring trolls on this forum need to be purged when they pretend that they don't know the difference. It bogs down the discussion.