Yeah that's the one thing I liked about the video and I didn't hear much about in the forums. Cleganebowl was pure fan service to the detriment of character. And arya and cleganes last conversation was duuumb
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Lindsay Ellis: We Need To Talk About Game of Thrones
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I'm not sure why she talks about "subverting expectations" when the final seasons were largely about fan service and the writers seemed to be leaning towards a villainous turn for Dany for at least a couple years. Most of what happened was widely theorized, given her family history and threats of fire and blood. D&D largely gave people what they wanted, and what they were expecting. I think the only unexpected thing was the breakneck speed at which the show moved through major events, and how unceremoniously Cersei and Jaime met their end.
I like Ellis usually, but I don't think she had a good handle on this topic, considering she brought nothing new to the table at all. Or maybe she didn't even know what to say. Maybe she had no real plan for a video about Game of Thrones *cough cough.* Especially considering she now has to make a second part. :P She was angered like a million other GoT fans twitter (and was apparently equally blinded by her fanboyism for the show, unable to see the show's many flaws throughout the years), and thought she had to make a video because she's the lady that makes videos. She should've made some vlog after the show was over and save herself the trouble of editing together some half-baked analysis.
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Even if consciously weaving theme into a story is optional, the 8th grade book report comment is ostensibly saying that that activity is unsophisticated, when the deliberate and successful use of theme is (arguably) the most sophisticated act possible within storytelling. There is no reading of that comment that isn't profoundly baffling lol.
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The point isn't to explain the plot of Game of Thrones. It's to give a general impression of the shape of the plot and give a bit of insight into some of the thinking that went into the writing.
It's definitely not a good look. I was just trying to be as generous as possible.
Seems like a common mantra among most modern TV/movie writers.
Yep this is my sentiment exactly, the in-jokes, references and nicknames make me feel it'd be impossible for anyone not familiar with the show to grasp some massive chunks of that summary.
The recaps weren't to catch the audience up with GOT, they were to make jokes (and since she said she was stealing some of them from someone else, I didn't find them that funny). I like her other videos, but I thought she did a better job reacting in real time on Twitter. Waiting so long to put out this video and it's mostly just snark was mildly disappointing. It's interesting to see how people who clearly don't like having to advertise in their videos but can't say no to the opportunity handle it. I much prefer them to just do a straight ad without winks or apologies. Making a joke out of it is just as off-putting as radio DJs who suddenly pretend they want to start talking about Tito's vodka or home security systems.
Didn't Telltale's
More like a mantra for anyone who doesn't want to be responsible for what their work actually says.
I dont think she needed to recap the entire show and nothing she said was new. I hope pt 2 is more insightful.
D&D straight up said that they had Arya kill the NK because having Jon Snow doing it was what everyone expected.
I think he might, but Cleganebowl won't happen or at least not the way everyone expects. The Hound is dead, Sandor should be done with that life.
Lost it at the freaking corgis in that CleganeBowl montage, but yeah nothing new in the video, maybe more of a recap of what the whole internet's opinion has been.
I don't think I've ever been disappointed in a youtube video before. I don't watch many content creators, but Lindsay is very good- and it makes this episode extremely disappointing. It feels like this episode was made out of a sense of obligation, but like everyone has said it is a month late and says nothing new. Just like season 8 of GOT, this video has great production values and very little to say. It wouldn't be so bad if she was going to follow up with part 2 very quickly, but I don't get the sense that's going to happen. As such it makes me question what value there was to this episode that couldn't have been condensed down into a single video.
needs more Cheddarbowl.
Also, the Tywin senpai bit and the flute with Euron killed me. To a point where it was legit distracting, because all could hear was that shitty flute. Which is also the name of the youtube channel, if you're interested in that.
Also, the Tywin senpai bit and the flute with Euron killed me. To a point where it was legit distracting, because all could hear was that shitty flute. Which is also the name of the youtube channel, if you're interested in that.
I can only speak for myself but.
She remarked on Twitter that Zack Snyder hates his mother. She rightfully got called out for it by people and linked to articles of him speaking glowingly about his mother and their relationship. And her response was basically a shrug and I was just joking.
It was a shitty joke in poor taste and she didn't even apologize after. She just started playing victim and complaining snyder fans were attacking her.
She's just another person who contributes to toxic nerd culture with zero self awareness.
I enjoyed the recap, because I dropped the show after season 5.
And Lord knows not everyone is gonna remember the details of 8 seasons of a show
The show is 20 years old!
And Lord knows not everyone is gonna remember the details of 8 seasons of a show
The show is 20 years old!
Not a lot new in this but Ellis's sense of humour clicks with me so it was still worth a watch.
I'm sorry...what? There has to be more to this than "She joked Zack Snyder dislikes his mother but actually he likes her" otherwise yeah, it does just sound like Snyder fans jumping on any excuse to yell at someone.
I'm sorry...what? There has to be more to this than "She joked Zack Snyder dislikes his mother but actually he likes her" otherwise yeah, it does just sound like Snyder fans jumping on any excuse to yell at someone.
Claiming that someone hates their dead mother because you dont like their creative works even though that person cites that person as an inspiration to them and dedicated a film to them then not backing down and apologizing is trashy as fuck. But hey you do you. I guess that's her "humour" you click with.
Was there more context around it or just her going "He hates his mother" ? Because I could certainly see someone extrapolating that from the themes in his films, admittedly that is probably more due to their low quality than his actual intended point though.
Didn't know about this either but found this:
To be quite frank, disliking his film is one thing, saying this about him, even as a joke, is an incredibly fucked up thing to say. She's not an idiot, she knows full well that people are gonna take that seriously and believe it.
"I don't like this guy's work and neither does my audience/peers, let's tell everyone he hates his mother." Is fucking disgusting.
Didn't like her forced "Bobby b!" Moments it just came off cringe. This is the first of her videos i watched. Though it did get me through a boring few minutes of work on Friday, this is too.....idk her complaints are not my complaints. Definitely a disconnect
Yeah see...no...I don't like people like this.Didn't know about this either but found this:
To be quite frank, disliking his film is one thing, saying this about him, even as a joke, is an incredibly fucked up thing to say. She's not an idiot, she knows full well that people are gonna take that seriously and believe it.
"I don't know anything about this guy, let's tell everyone he hates his mother." Is fucking disgusting.
There was no context. It was just a trashy out of place tweet. Her frankly pathetic attempt at humour.
She has since deleted it.
thinking about season 1-5 even 6 of game of thrones. Gods, the story was strong then.
Fair, seems like a bad joke in poor taste because she didn't know anything about him and she deleted it. I'm not going to hold grudges for that but I can understand why others would.
man Who?
So were Annie Rice novels/movies but no one had a problem with those. I think people's problems with Twilight are based on legitimate issues with Twilight. Racist symbolism and casting decisions, sparkling vampires, dudes falling in love with babies, cringy dialogue, etc.
So were Annie Rice novels/movies but no one had a problem with those. I think people's problems with Twilight are based on legitimate issues with Twilight. Racist symbolism and casting decisions, sparkling vampires, dudes falling in love with babies, cringy dialogue, etc.
Slight vent here but when I was in school I actually got bullied similar to this. Kids who decided I was a bit weird spreading shit about me. In particular my cat died and they told everyone I did it. I litteraly had a girl ask it to my face and when I went off on her the response she made was very similar to Lindsay's "Well the jokes not funny cus I didn't know that."
Didn't know about this either but found this:
To be quite frank, disliking his film is one thing, saying this about him, even as a joke, is an incredibly fucked up thing to say. She's not an idiot, she knows full well that people are gonna take that seriously and believe it.
"I don't like this guy's work and neither does my audience/peers, let's tell everyone he hates his mother." Is fucking disgusting.
Yikes.
That's especially in poor taste coming from her, someone who has lost a parent.
For me the joke was in poor taste but if you quickly say I'm sorry that was a bad joke etc etc fine, I can move past it even though the joke was still gross. But the response and then her immediate turn to play victim afterwards was laughable. Lost all respect for her after it.
Hate and critique his work that's fair game, but not sure why people have to take it into personal attacks, especially from all accounts nobody has ever had a bad word to say about him as a person and working with him.
Didn't know about this either but found this:
To be quite frank, disliking his film is one thing, saying this about him, even as a joke, is an incredibly fucked up thing to say. She's not an idiot, she knows full well that people are gonna take that seriously and believe it.
"I don't like this guy's work and neither does my audience/peers, let's tell everyone he hates his mother." Is fucking disgusting.
That was very obviously a joke about common themes of Snyder's films, not something anyone should take seriously as some sort of purported gossip. Doesn't look like she exactly doubled down, either, but rather immediately explained her ignorance on the matter.
Don't see how that makes her a remotely bad person. If Snyder himself had commented, I'm sure she would've apologized, but doing so to some random fan is unnecessary. Such eagerness to "cancel" people is profoundly toxic.
Please, don't. The joke itself was in poor taste. Snyder makes some nerd films that nerds don't like and somehow this gives nerds the right yo joke about his mother? This is not like he made some problematic statement concerning women or mother's, he just made a hero film. That sort of edgy personal attack is already cringe and part of the toxic waste of nerd culture.
She was then informed of reality and instead of apologizing, she played victim and doubled down with, "relax, twas but a joke." The excuse every edgelord, wanna terrible comic makes right next to "sorry you were offended." And, what sort of ridiculous notion do you have where unless the person insulted demands an apology you don't have to give one?
"I have it on good authority Zack Snyder hates his mother."
That is a fucking indefensible thing to post. Whether she knew about his mother or not.
Hell it doesn't even work as a joke. The mother characters in his films all live and are shown as perfect pariahs. I think the only mother he kills in a film is Clarks birth mother cus she dies as part of superman's mythos anyway, even then she is shown as a selfess hero.
