Couldn't even beat the Texans.
Do you have any player specific stats to back up your final statement ?
Not saying your are wrong or can't have you own opinion....but when you are making this kind of definitive statement you must have some data to back it up ?
As someone who doesn't watch it follow anything soccer related....what kind of Data would show that Messi definitely wasn't the best player of the year ?
Or when Ribéry was litteraly robbed in 2013.I remember when this award was given to the player who had actually made the difference for his team at the highest level, but since like 2010 (when Sneijder and Iniesta were robbed by Messi) it's been just a ceremony to suck Messi's dick.
Ah yes, scored 60 goals but "robbed" it from Iniesta lmao.I remember when this award was given to the player who had actually made the difference for his team at the highest level, but since like 2010 (when Sneijder and Iniesta were robbed by Messi) it's been just a ceremony to suck Messi's dick.
Totally undeserved, Van Dijk should have won.
Ok Messi carried barca, but he only won La Liga, virgil on the other half made a mediocre liverpool and netherland defences become a Rock, he won the Champions league, and was fantastic overall for club and country.
My top 5:
1- van dijk
2- salah
3- Maneh
4- alisson
5- messi
Nb: i hate liverpool, so i am not being biased here, just talking football.
From january 2019 to November 2019? Yes I would rank all those Liverpool players above himI can give you VVD but on no metric possible is Messi the 5th best player on the planet.
I'm a Liverpool fan but there is no way Salah or Mane were better than Messi in 2019.
I refer you to Liverpool's coach answer
« if the ballon d'or is here the reward the best player ever, just always give it to Messi. If it's to reward the best player for the calendar year, then Van Djuik (I would have said Mané) should win because he was the best »
It's a rigged contest when past wins have such a heavy influence on all journalists. It should be reformed
From january 2019 to November 2019? Yes I would rank all those Liverpool players above him
**remembers that in 2010 Iniesta/Xavi won WC or that Sneijder won CL and reached WC final**
You understand that only using goals/assists would mean no goal keeper or defender would ever win right?yeah sure using the qoute of van djiks coach is surely not in favour of his player....
on what metric? Goals, Assists, Chances created, carrying the team? Plz back this up
You can score 300 goals against Celta Vigo or Rayo Vallecano or whatever low level team you get to face during the season.
Still doesn't change the fact that he disappeared in the semis vs Inter, and didn't make any difference at the World Cup......you know, the competitions where the stakes are the highest and Iniesta and Sneijder carried their teams to the end.
And that's a fact, I remember he was even embarrassed at the ceremony for robbing the trophy.
so by your definition Arsenal, City, Manutd, Chelsea and Liverpool are Mickey Mouse Clubs?
Yes Iniesta is going to create problems with a fellow FCB teammate.
From january 2019 to November 2019? Yes I would rank all those Liverpool players above him
You understand that only using goals/assists would mean no goal keeper or defender would ever win right?
It's not a « who's the best attacker » award, it's « who was the best for the calendar year »
You should probably grasp the difference between those two concepts
Yes Iniesta is going to create problems with a fellow FCB teammate.
What a well thought out answer
La Liga has higher quality football than the PL. PL marketing has worked wonders on the masses for the past decade.No by my definition Leganes, Eibar, Mallorca, Valladolid, Espanyol, Alaves and probably a few others in La Liga would all get relegated out of the Premier League.
All this stat talk Virg has some great stats that if "anyone knew anything about football" would know are mighty impressive.
-Van Dijk in defence, Liverpool conceded just 22 times in the Premier League last season and kept 21 clean sheets.
-Helped Liverpool keep five consecutive home clean sheets in the Champions League for the first time in the UCL era.
- Helped Liverpool to third Highest Points Tally in Premier League History (97)
- Not dribbled past the entire season.
And if you remember in 2017/2018 Ronaldo scored 54 goals too the same as Messi this year in fewer games (54) to Messi's (58) and yet Modric won the award for finishing 2nd at World Cup and Winning Champs League. So the idea that goals and assists alone are enough is mute as the award tends to favour winners of competitions. Just not this year apparently.
You can score 300 goals against Celta Vigo or Rayo Vallecano or whatever low level team you get to face during the season.
Still doesn't change the fact that he disappeared in the semis vs Inter, and didn't make any difference at the World Cup......you know, the competitions where the stakes are the highest and Iniesta and Sneijder carried their teams to the end.
And that's a fact, I remember he was even embarrassed at the ceremony for robbing the trophy.
You can tell who only watch EPL games going by the comments in this thread. My goodness
Would've been a farce if Messi didn't win this one, let's be real.
No by my definition Leganes, Eibar, Mallorca, Valladolid, Espanyol, Alaves and probably a few others in La Liga would all get relegated out of the Premier League.
All this stat talk Virg has some great stats that if "anyone knew anything about football" would know are mighty impressive.
-Van Dijk in defence, Liverpool conceded just 22 times in the Premier League last season and kept 21 clean sheets.
-Helped Liverpool keep five consecutive home clean sheets in the Champions League for the first time in the UCL era.
- Helped Liverpool to third Highest Points Tally in Premier League History (97)
- Not dribbled past the entire season.
And if you remember in 2017/2018 Ronaldo scored 54 goals too the same as Messi this year in fewer games (54) to Messi's (58) and yet Modric won the award for finishing 2nd at World Cup and Winning Champs League. So the idea that goals and assists alone are enough is mute as the award tends to favour winners of competitions. Just not this year apparently.
So the idea that goals and assists alone are enough is mute as the award tends to favour winners of competitions
PL did better in Europe last year. And I am betting that they are going to do the same this year.La Liga has higher quality football than the PL. PL marketing has worked wonders on the masses for the past decade.
He didn't score against either of those teams in 2010. Iniesta "carried" Spain in 2010??? C'mon man.You can score 300 goals against Celta Vigo or Rayo Vallecano or whatever low level team you get to face during the season.
Still doesn't change the fact that he disappeared in the semis vs Inter, and didn't make any difference at the World Cup......you know, the competitions where the stakes are the highest and Iniesta and Sneijder carried their teams to the end.
And that's a fact, I remember he was even embarrassed at the ceremony for robbing the trophy.
Now look up the stats of what a disappointing season for Messi looks like.
Don't box in current Messi with current CR7 - they are leagues apart in terms of importance for their team.
The rainy day in stoke meme is so apt, so is when english teams play foreign teams and the commentator points out how much difficulty a foreign player or team has with the "pace and power of the PL"since 2009/10
Euroleague Winners: 6x Spanish Teams, 3x English Teams, 1x Portuguese
Champions League Winners: 6x Spanisch Teams, 2x English Teams, 1x German , 1x Italian
The rainy day in stoke meme is so apt, so is when english teams play foreign teams and the commentator points out how much difficulty a foreign player or team has with the "pace and power of the PL"
Jokers
Exactly.reminds me also of that claim that La Liga Players would struggle in the PL
He was by far the best so makes sense. Will take 7th as well.
Judging by this thread, people don't watch much football.
Cmon lets be real here the Lower Table Spanish teams are very weak they don't contibute many players to the top national teams whereas the Premier League teams down to 10 or 12th do.
As an example of how poor the lower league teams are Messi scored 5 with 3 Assists in 4 Games against the relegated sides and scored 12 assissted 4 in 6 games against Sevilla Espanyol and Levante. Yet only got 1 goal and 1 assist against Atletico and Real Madrid all season (played Madrid Once only). Thats 17 goals almost half his total tally against relegated and teams outside the top 6. Messi is phenomenal no doubt but Vardy would do Messi numbers in that Barca team against the likes of Rayo Huesca Girona and Levante.
reminds me also of that claim that La Liga Players would struggle in the PL
Barring a few players most of whom came to prem young Spanish players haven't done great in the Prem at all. I go all the way back to Mendieta, Morientes, Alby Moreno, Aspas (lol), Luque. More recently Pedro (Hasn't had a double figure goal season in 5 years) Morata, Lets not forget Roberto Soldado. The list is pretty poor co sidering most of these players commanded huge fees.
That's utter nonsense.La Liga has higher quality football than the PL. PL marketing has worked wonders on the masses for the past decade.