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Lionel Messi wins Ballon d'Or 2019
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Totally undeserved, Van Dijk should have won.
Ok Messi carried barca, but he only won La Liga, virgil on the other half made a mediocre liverpool and netherland defences become a Rock, he won the Champions league, and was fantastic overall for club and country.
My top 5:
1- van dijk
2- salah
3- Maneh
4- alisson
5- messi
Nb: i hate liverpool, so i am not being biased here, just talking football.
Ok Messi carried barca, but he only won La Liga, virgil on the other half made a mediocre liverpool and netherland defences become a Rock, he won the Champions league, and was fantastic overall for club and country.
My top 5:
1- van dijk
2- salah
3- Maneh
4- alisson
5- messi
Nb: i hate liverpool, so i am not being biased here, just talking football.
I remember when this award was given to the player who had actually made the difference for his team at the highest level, but since like 2010 (when Sneijder and Iniesta were robbed by Messi) it's been just a ceremony to suck Messi's dick.
VVD 2018-19.
Champions League Winner.
UEFA Super Cup Winner.
UEFA Nations League Final.
UEFA Nations League Finals Team of the Tournament.
Premier League Player of the Season.
PFA Players' Player of the Year.
UEFA Defender of the Season.
UEFA Men's Player of the Year.
IFFHS Men's World Team.
FIFA FIFPro Men's World11.
Maybe Club World Cup Winner?
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Ah yes, scored 60 goals but "robbed" it from Iniesta lmao.
I can give you VVD but on no metric possible is Messi the 5th best player on the planet.
I'm a Liverpool fan but there is no way Salah or Mane were better than Messi in 2019.
From january 2019 to November 2019? Yes I would rank all those Liverpool players above him
yeah sure using the qoute of van djiks coach is surely not in favour of his player....
on what metric? Goals, Assists, Chances created, carrying the team? Plz back this up
**remembers that in 2010 Iniesta/Xavi won WC or that Sneijder won CL and reached WC final**
That was right after they changed the rules when Ballon d'or and FIFPRO got merged. They rolled everything back in 2016.
You can score 300 goals against Celta Vigo or Rayo Vallecano or whatever low level team you get to face during the season.
Still doesn't change the fact that he disappeared in the semis vs Inter, and didn't make any difference at the World Cup......you know, the competitions where the stakes are the highest and Iniesta and Sneijder carried their teams to the end.
And that's a fact, I remember he was even embarrassed at the ceremony for robbing the trophy.
You understand that only using goals/assists would mean no goal keeper or defender would ever win right?
It's not a « who's the best attacker » award, it's « who was the best for the calendar year »
You should probably grasp the difference between those two concepts
No by my definition Leganes, Eibar, Mallorca, Valladolid, Espanyol, Alaves and probably a few others in La Liga would all get relegated out of the Premier League.
All this stat talk Virg has some great stats that if "anyone knew anything about football" would know are mighty impressive.
-Van Dijk in defence, Liverpool conceded just 22 times in the Premier League last season and kept 21 clean sheets.
-Helped Liverpool keep five consecutive home clean sheets in the Champions League for the first time in the UCL era.
- Helped Liverpool to third Highest Points Tally in Premier League History (97)
- Not dribbled past the entire season.
And if you remember in 2017/2018 Ronaldo scored 54 goals too the same as Messi this year in fewer games (54) to Messi's (58) and yet Modric won the award for finishing 2nd at World Cup and Winning Champs League. So the idea that goals and assists alone are enough is mute as the award tends to favour winners of competitions. Just not this year apparently.
Yes Iniesta is going to create problems with a fellow FCB teammate.
What a well thought out answer
on what metric? Goals, Assists, Chances created, carrying the team? Plz back this up
what ? you just said you would rank Mane or Salah over Messi in that time period - the attackers from Liverpool
Not at all. In 2010 the most important player to Barcelona was Lionel Messi.
La Liga has higher quality football than the PL. PL marketing has worked wonders on the masses for the past decade.
Now just for reference La Liga was won by Barcelona vs a very strong Madrid side by two points. Barcelona needed 98 points to win the title.
Real Madrid 0-2 barcelona. Two goals by Messi but no that game clearly doesn't count and had no bearing on where the league title went.
This idea that league games are not important is ridiculous.
You can tell who only watch EPL games going by the comments in this thread. My goodness
Would've been a farce if Messi didn't win this one, let's be real.
Would've been a farce if Messi didn't win this one, let's be real.
This. I laugh when some seem to think la liga is full of poor teams in comparison to the EPL.
and yet mostly the spanish teams were dominating Europe for the past years in the CL and EL - if messi proved himself against the top PL Clubs, he surely would have struggled against the likes of Burnley, Brighton, Watford or Norwich. Sure
but if you have to push a narrative you can always find a way - thats the typical, messi can't score on a rainy day in England meme
and regarding Van Dijk - if he would have won, it would be deserved as well. im saying both deserved it simple as that - but Messi winning Ballon D'or is not some miracle based on his performance last season
yeah i remember 2017/18 - Ronaldo scored 44 goals and had 8 assists, Messi 45 Goals and 18 asissts. (Ronaldo had less games like you said) so what? Ronaldo would have deserved over Modric - Or Mbappe
nah Ronaldo won 2013 when Ribery has won every title with Munich
Ronaldo won 2014 when Manuel Neuer won the World Cup
PL did better in Europe last year. And I am betting that they are going to do the same this year.
since 2009/10
Euroleague Winners: 6x Spanish Teams, 3x English Teams, 1x Portuguese
Champions League Winners: 6x Spanisch Teams, 2x English Teams, 1x German , 1x Italian
Euroleague Winners: 6x Spanish Teams, 3x English Teams, 1x Portuguese
Champions League Winners: 6x Spanisch Teams, 2x English Teams, 1x German , 1x Italian
He didn't score against either of those teams in 2010. Iniesta "carried" Spain in 2010??? C'mon man.
My point still stands.
Spanish teams have been super dominant for most the past decade, the english may dominate for the next 10 years but it does not erase history.
The PL, Sky etc did a fabulous job in convincing the masses of the quality of football played in england while wrapping it all up in excellent presentation which other leagues do not match.
Spanish teams have been super dominant for most the past decade, the english may dominate for the next 10 years but it does not erase history.
The PL, Sky etc did a fabulous job in convincing the masses of the quality of football played in england while wrapping it all up in excellent presentation which other leagues do not match.
You have to blame Ronaldo for being a rapist, but Barcelona being broken for years and Juve having a better team isn't on him.
An individual prize like Ballon D'or is pointless in a teamwork discipline.
Messi for me is the best player in soccer history and when he retires...I'm pretty sure that we never going to see a player dominate soccer like Messi again not in this life. XD
Messi for me is the best player in soccer history and when he retires...I'm pretty sure that we never going to see a player dominate soccer like Messi again not in this life. XD
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The rainy day in stoke meme is so apt, so is when english teams play foreign teams and the commentator points out how much difficulty a foreign player or team has with the "pace and power of the PL"
Jokers
reminds me also of that claim that La Liga Players would struggle in the PL
Cmon lets be real here the Lower Table Spanish teams are very weak they don't contibute many players to the top national teams whereas the Premier League teams down to 10 or 12th do.
As an example of how poor the lower league teams are Messi scored 5 with 3 Assists in 4 Games against the relegated sides and scored 12 assissted 4 in 6 games against Sevilla Espanyol and Levante. Yet only got 1 goal and 1 assist against Atletico and Real Madrid all season (played Madrid Once only). Thats 17 goals almost half his total tally against relegated and teams outside the top 6. Messi is phenomenal no doubt but Vardy would do Messi numbers in that Barca team against the likes of Rayo Huesca Girona and Levante.
As an example of how poor the lower league teams are Messi scored 5 with 3 Assists in 4 Games against the relegated sides and scored 12 assissted 4 in 6 games against Sevilla Espanyol and Levante. Yet only got 1 goal and 1 assist against Atletico and Real Madrid all season (played Madrid Once only). Thats 17 goals almost half his total tally against relegated and teams outside the top 6. Messi is phenomenal no doubt but Vardy would do Messi numbers in that Barca team against the likes of Rayo Huesca Girona and Levante.
As expected the Liverpool fans on this forum actually believe that their defender should have won over Messi. Hell Ronaldo and Mbappe should even be above VDD.
if it's that easy i wonder why other players didn't manage to reach those stats that messi and Ronaldo did in La Liga, breaking one record after another
there must have been surely other good players in La Liga or at Barca right?
im sure Vardy would also dribble trough the whole Real Madrid Defense and score a goal
Barring a few players most of whom came to prem young Spanish players haven't done great in the Prem at all. I go all the way back to Mendieta, Morientes, Alby Moreno, Aspas (lol), Luque. More recently Pedro (Hasn't had a double figure goal season in 5 years) Morata, Lets not forget Roberto Soldado. The list is pretty poor co sidering most of these players commanded huge fees.
Messi's stats speak for themselves. What also impresses me about Messi (and I this this applies to Ronaldo too) is the number of games they play. The last two full seasons Messi has played 54 then 50 games. That's amazing, when most non-defenders are out for various reasons, whether to rest, or are injured, and you know he's a target for the other team. Especially at their ages. He's also a very clean player. Going back the last 2-3 years he averages jjust 1 yellow card every 10 games, and the only reds he has had in his career are questionable, one way back when he first started playing, and one this summer which looked like bs.
im not talking about spanisch players but La Liga or let's say the notion that pyisically weaker players would go down in the PL.
overpriced players are nothing new to that league that swims in money tbh
Im still pissed that Modric won last year. Is there anyone talking about how he is playing? Is anyone worried if he ever get a suspension or is injured for a few matches? Anyone care that he is not even in the top 10 this year? Last year was a joke, the real result for last year was Cristiano on top, which would make him and Messi 6 times each the best.
btw, I like Messi more than Ronaldo.
btw, I like Messi more than Ronaldo.
Fuck Barcelona. I hope Catalonia separates from Spain so La Liga boots out that piece of shit team.
