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Little glimpse in a Day in the Life of a Japanese Game Programmer
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Given he's developing in C#, what other IDEs would you use? Regular Visual Studio?
Also I see your later comment. How is a .cs file not C#? Maybe I'm missing something. I was talking about the clip at 6:46 (which could totally be a sample file given how standard it looks.
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Glad this forum reputation as a place where people take personal hygiene very seriously is showing in this thread
I mean he probably does earn a fair bit as:
1. He works in Tokyo - by and large even smaller apartments are of 100,000yen to start.
2. His looks like a 1LDK, which is probably gonna be at least the price mentioned above if not more depending on what ward he's living in.
You can find many apps bellow 100k inside the yamanote line, granted they are very small. The fact that he has to walk 10 mints to the sta, it is on basement with no view and no place to dry clothes and a bare bones toilet.... Ill say 70sh to 80sh a month.
exact same thing with me! I love Paolo's videos and they helped greatly with planning my trip to Japan.
Glad to know I wasn't the only person looking to see what kind of IDE their programmers are using in Japan LOL
He mentions that is common to have unpaid overtime hours....
Maybe for a very small company or start up but not for a mid/ big company, in fact thats how they actually earn money, accumulation of overtime hours.
Im puzzled since he lives here in Tokyo and knows how the life works here.
Maybe for a very small company or start up but not for a mid/ big company, in fact thats how they actually earn money, accumulation of overtime hours.
Im puzzled since he lives here in Tokyo and knows how the life works here.
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Yeah, regular Visual Studio is basically the C# IDE. It was used by pretty much everyone doing C# work at my (former) company.
He's not programming in C#, he's programming in C++. You can see him including a header file right at the top of his source. He's using pretty boilerplate std library C++. Talking about 10:14 when they do a full screen image of his source:
That said, yeah, you could definitely use the full enterprise Visual Studio for C# development.
Ah I missed that part, but yeh that's C++. Interesting. In 6:46, he's using C# but later in your part he's using C++.He's not programming in C#, he's programming in C++. You can see him including a header file right at the top of his source. He's using pretty boilerplate std library C++. Talking about 10:14 when they do a full screen image of his source:
That said, yeah, you could definitely use the full enterprise Visual Studio for C# development.
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FromSoftware lists out their salaries for engineer job postings, and.... it's not that good. Certainly not Bay Area/Silicon Valley good.
I imagine Bandai pays something similar for their engineers.
You must not know many people who work for medium or large companies.
It is extremely common to work unpaid overtime for even the largest companies in Japan.
Sort of. The syntax and function names are usually "English" but there are plenty of engineers who can code but can't speak a lick of English.
Whoops you're right, it wasnt the mechanic admin it was the sim card salary man that made me gasp.
Thats the thing that puzzles me, I know several ppl working on mid to large companies and they want to work overtime hours to get the extra cash.
I wouldn't say Softback, Mitsubushi, Itochu or Sumitomo are small....
The ones I know dont get any kind of overtime pay are government people.
I love how you mentioned this assuming anyone would know what you are talking about 😂
Given the other videos on this guy's channel, this one is an outlier compared to most of the other jobs he's covered. That suggests that Namco Bandai is just more reasonable of an employer than most Japanese companies. Also important to note that he recorded this at a time where they weren't crunching on a game, I'm sure the hours are much longer during those periods.
heh, they're called programming languages for a reason. It's not english, nor is it really any spoken language. Computer programming languages are, in the most literal way, their own unique language, entirely divorced from conventional human languages. They typically use ASCII characters (but not always!) so they might resemble, say, english or french or whatever, but they aren't english. But sometimes, if you want to go really deep into it, like writing in pure bytecode, the "language" could consist of numeric values, like so:
This is a programming "language." Every processor speaks a unique "language" that other processors cannot understand. The reason "PC" is largely considered one platform is because most windows PCs all use the same type of processor, speaking a language called x86 (or a modern subset, called x64).
Decyphering these languages is really, really hard, even if you "speak" them, so source codes have a second layer to them, a comment section that isnt part of the code, but more like notes for people trying to read the source. Comments can be written in any human-readable language. If you look at the source he's writing, he's written several comments in japanese:
Those lime-green bits I circled are comments, not code.
The programmers in this topic assuredly know what that is, that's pretty basic computer programming stuff that you would learn in an intro to CS course in college.
This thread made me watch other videos from this creator, and the issue of working late is definitely addressed with other jobs.
heh, they're called programming languages for a reason. It's not english, nor is it really any spoken language. Computer programming languages are, in the most literal way, their own unique language, entirely divorced from conventional human languages. They typically use ASCII characters (but not always!) so they might resemble, say, english or french or whatever, but they aren't english. But sometimes, if you want to go really deep into it, like writing in pure bytecode, the "language" could consist of numeric values, like so:
This is a programming "language." Every processor speaks a unique "language" that other processors cannot understand. The reason "PC" is largely considered one platform is because most windows PCs all use the same type of processor, speaking a language called x86 (or a modern subset, called x64).
Decyphering these languages is really, really hard, even if you "speak" them, so source codes have a second layer to them, a comment section that isnt part of the code, but more like notes for people trying to read the source. Comments can be written in any human-readable language. If you look at the source he's writing, he's written several comments in japanese:
Those lime-green bits I circled are comments, not code.
The programmers in this topic assuredly know what that is, that's pretty basic computer programming stuff that you would learn in an intro to CS course in college.
I really love a good Kreijsplanation in the morning.
heh, they're called programming languages for a reason. It's not english, nor is it really any spoken language. Computer programming languages are, in the most literal way, their own unique language, entirely divorced from conventional human languages. They typically use ASCII characters (but not always!) so they might resemble, say, english or french or whatever, but they aren't english. But sometimes, if you want to go really deep into it, like writing in pure bytecode, the "language" could consist of numeric values, like so:
This is a programming "language." Every processor speaks a unique "language" that other processors cannot understand. The reason "PC" is largely considered one platform is because most windows PCs all use the same type of processor, speaking a language called x86 (or a modern subset, called x64).
Decyphering these languages is really, really hard, even if you "speak" them, so source codes have a second layer to them, a comment section that isnt part of the code, but more like notes for people trying to read the source. Comments can be written in any human-readable language. If you look at the source he's writing, he's written several comments in japanese:
Those lime-green bits I circled are comments, not code.
The programmers in this topic assuredly know what that is, that's pretty basic computer programming stuff that you would learn in an intro to CS course in college.
Couldn't they... I dunno, translate all the keywords in a programming language to the Japanese/other language, and then have the compiler translate it back to English using some sort of hash map or dictionary into the underlying keyword? It's just one extra compilation step, so it should not affect program speed too much.
Also, good method names remove the need for comments (I have my own strong feelings on comments, especially when they're misleading or out-dated). But in this case, since the method name is in English, it sort of necessitates the need for native language comments.
tl;dr JavaJapanese --> Java --> Java Byte Code --> Machine Code?
The keywords are just as much gibberish to English speakers as they are to Japanese speakers. What does "int" or "glVertexAttrib1f" translate to?
Comments are a GOOD thing. I absolutely hate working with people who think they don't need comments.
Err... What?
But they're all usually abbreviations of English words based on what they are. Integer wasn't a word made up specifically for coding.
I just feel like if I, as someone who only knows English, were to try and approach a programming language that doesn't use English characters for syntax, I would be confused as all hell.
You don't type "integer" to declare an integer, you type "int"
It's way more confusing and pretty pointless to translate keywords like that. And when you start getting into opcodes, they get very abstract. Go ahead and translate "pdep" for me.
I'm still in school, do a lot of people work with machine code?
I understand that the underlying bits aren't English, but the things we see in most high level programming languages absolutely have meaning derived from real English words in order to assist those writing and reading it.
Inline assembly is common, yes. Especially in game devopment. It's a good idea to familiarize yourself with the gcc extended asm syntax if you want to wring performance out of your code: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Extended-Asm.html
Example, the quickest way to do Morton encoding is using bmi opcodes as opposed to, say, a LUT. Morton encoding will dramatically speed up collision detection.
All the keywords are in English or derived from it. Also, most companies (prob not so much in Japan) require English for comments and variable names. Plus, it's the language of the (dev) internet, where you're going to google your error messages.
It's clearly aimed at coders, and not interesting to people outside the field.
It's not really worth the hassle, English is a world language and considered a must for CS.
I thought the same about comments, but it turned out differently for others reading my code and showed my hubris.
I mean when he was actually coding. He did have meetings but the coding part is unsocial. It's a huge part of the day.
I dunno how it works in game dev, but coding is fairly social. There's a lot of meetings and ad hoc discussions that occur on any given day. It's hard to lone wolf something complicated.
Living and working as a dev in the region for the past 7+ years, specifically with similar corporations like bamco.
Right, so we have 2 sources and yours is anecdotal. Perhaps you could instead specify how your situation is different from the video? Hard to keep a discussion otherwise with absolutes like "no, video wrong". And FWIW, I have also worked with development in Japan (though not in game industry) and I'd say the video is a fairly accurate depiction from my experience.
Any developer video where they talk about benefits like "Free games to play while at work or being able to sleep" are bullshit. Because no one wants to be that person who plays games instead of working and sleeping on the job is a detriment to you because it means the business basically wants you to live there.
You mean, it doesn't show what a normal day for YOU is. Every company is different.
You mean, any developer video about your singular experience :P I worked 12 years at a game company with a break room where people played games every lunch, another lunch room with a few arcade machines (I miss that Star Wars arcade machine). People played games all the time. And sometimes we would play a networked game together after work.
When writing code in something like C#, it is totally English (if you chose to do it). Something like "GetPrinterSettings" or "InitializeWindow" (like in one of the screenshots). I'm German but I haven't written "German" code in years.
No one (sane) would write function names like "gps12()" or something in such a language.
No one (sane) would write function names like "gps12()" or something in such a language.
Im a software developer and at my work we have 3 PS4s. After lunch me and 3 of my coworkers always play a couple of Rocket League matches.
Though making a big point of it being free just seems weird, are there any workplace that charge money for playing games?
Im surprised that theres no catering at the place. Must suck having to bring lunch or go out and spend time to get lunch everyday. And having to pay for snacks and beverages also seems crazy to me.
This is Japan. 10 steps outside the office there's a convenience store with delicious food, five different drink vending machines and probably a ramen place or two.
Edit: Ha, there's literally a 7-11 in the next building and three restaurants across the street from their location.
This is standard for the vast majority of gaming studios I've ever worked or visited at in North America or Asia. A coffee machine is pretty standard (but coin or card operated half the time) and a vending machine is almost universal. But free snacks or drinks (beyond green tea/water) is a legit perk and rarely seen. I can't remember the last mid-sized studio or bigger that didn't have two vending machines in it.
Famously there are places that cater and have a lot of free snacks/drinks (Google, Facebook, Lucasarts at one time, etc) but the practice is under fire lately because government tax offices (IRS, CRA, etc) want it to be a paid benefit (taxable!) as opposed to a freebie.
From Software seems pretty bad. Especially according to this report: https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/5nqu0w/what_its_like_working_at_from_software/
Which amounts to 12 hour work days with an average salary of $30K.
Anyway, this video popped up on my suggestions. Glad somebody made a thread about it here.
I find VCode to be amazingly powerful, but the typical Electron bullshit is very much present and it surfaces often.
I've been watching this series for a few days "A day in the life of a Japanese___" and just seen this one and found it really interesting. This programmer works at one the Namco Bandai offices. Other than seeing what his daily life consists of we get a little tour of the offices and see what other team members were working on. Figured I'd share it.
Little glimpse in a Day in the Life of a Japanese Game Programmer
I follow this channel and just saw he posted a video that ERA would be interested. Its a short video 13min. Programmer at Bandai Namco Mods can nuke this topic if they need.
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