Phones went through this 10 years ago and there were complaints then as well - they just won't matter as tech will push on (maybe some of these touchscreens can give some feedback soon). BTW, the Model S has two knobs on the steering wheel (located on your thumbs) for quickly scrolling climate control among other things.Yeah, this is an industry trend that is getting complaints. Needing to access a touchscreen to do everything is not very popular. It's fine for a lot of things, but having a knob or button to quickly adjust climate controls is much preferred. For actions that are used while in motion, it could also be a safety concern. You don't want to be scrolling a touchscreen while driving.
Yeah that was my quick look initial impression as well (side view I needed to look twice to make sure it wasn't a Tesla). That isn't a bad thing though...Model S is gorgeous.
EV comparison maybe, but I think comparing Tesla to Porsche is ridiculous. Luxury sedan vs sports car. Historical reputation. The quality of Porsche is so well established and respected that there are very few car companies that compare.People comparing Porsche to Tesla? Porsche are the best sports car maker right now.
finally a sports car that can fit my super big gulp cup
Those are for champagne bottles. :P
I mean you do realize comparing the highest trims it's $80k more expensive lol I would certainly hope the materials or SOMETHING about it would be better because the specs and performance sure aren't.
People who buy Porsche are not looking to save moneyYeah those specs don't help Porsche in any way. You'd be crazy to spend way more to get way less.
Looks good.
I wonder how it does on the track
e: wait, is there footage of it on the ring?
Beautiful car. I think for now it doesn't really make sense to compare it with the Model S. Once they launch the lower end trim next year it'll be a different story, though. At the same time I personally don't think the Nordschleife defense holds up too much. Yes, some people will take the car to the track but 90% of the people buying this probably don't and won't care about that.
For most people this will simply be an extremely sporty electric family sedan and that's where the Model S comparisons come in.
Wait, does it not come with a CCS charge port? That would be a deal breaker for me.
Well, I get it. That's a great promise. But if you never drive on a track you won't need that promise but you still pay the price for the potential.Of course most Porsche buyers will never have the luck to drive their car on the Nordschleife. That's not the point. But any Porsche must be able to deliver the performance for such an adventure anytime, everywhere, all the time. This is what Porsche stands for. This is what the Taycan stands for. No compromises until the battery's empty.
Well, I get it. That's a great promise. But if you never drive on a track you won't need that promise but you still pay the price for the potential.
That's just a waste of money unless you can afford to pay the premium just for the bragging rights.
I guess my point is that this is great for rich Porsche enthusiasts but it doesn't really move the needle to get EVs to the mainstream.
Model Ss are still crazy expensive but compared to a Taycan they're much more affordable for the upper middle class.
I really hope the VW ID.3 delivers on that front.
The Taycan is a luxury vehicle. It's not supposed to bring electric mobility to the masses. Porsche never was a brand for the masses. And it will never be.Well, I get it. That's a great promise. But if you never drive on a track you won't need that promise but you still pay the price for the potential.
That's just a waste of money unless you can afford to pay the premium just for the bragging rights.
I guess my point is that this is great for rich Porsche enthusiasts but it doesn't really move the needle to get EVs to the mainstream.
Model Ss are still crazy expensive but compared to a Taycan they're much more affordable for the upper middle class.
I really hope the VW ID.3 delivers on that front.
The Taycan is a luxury vehicle. It's not supposed to bring electric mobility to the masses. Porsche never was a brand for the masses. And it will never be.
But someone who wants a luxurious electric sportscar that can be driven daily as well as on the track then this thing is the best there is.
Well, here in Munich you can see probably more 911s than VWs. But still, that's not representative. They start under 60, but with some options you're likely to go way above 70 or 80. That's not really cheap. Just because there's a lot of rich folk here in the south doesn't mean those are cars for the masses. That's simply not true.While that may have been the case in the past, I wouldn't exactly call them exclusive either these days.
The 718 Cayman, 718 Boxter and the Macan all start under 60k €. Here in Germany (and especially in south Germany, where I live) you can't throw a dead cat without hitting a Porsche.
Like I said, it'll be interesting toi see where they position their entry level Taycan next year.
So the same car would produce a longer range according to WLTP than according to EPA?
Wait, does it not come with a CCS charge port? That would be a deal breaker for me.
So the same car would produce a longer range according to WLTP than according to EPA?
The same way people can afford 911 turbos, Panamera turbos, and Cayenne turbos - they're rich.
It a Porsche
There will almost certainly be cheaper versions coming in the $100K range. Not average Joe range, but average successful Joe.I don't think people understand that this is a PORSCHE. Why are people expecting it to take over the EV market? This is not for your average Joe wanting a commuter EV. Completely different market. I just hope that Porsche has made some amazing engineering advancements that Tesla and other companies can copy/improve on. These EV can only get better and more advanced as more automakers come to play.
I think what Porsche will have difficulty proving is that their $150K-180k electric car is a reasonable alternative to its current ICE models. The Taycan looks nice, but I'd take a GT3RS over it any day.
I wonder what that cheaper version will lose though..either way it will still be a Porsche. It's a car for drivers, as dumb and pretentious as that might sound. Hard to put a price on that imo. If I had the money I would gladly pay more for the Taycan vs Model SThere will almost certainly be cheaper versions coming in the $100K range. Not average Joe range, but average successful Joe.
I think what Porsche will have difficulty proving is that their $150K-180k electric car is a reasonable alternative to its current ICE models. The Taycan looks nice, but I'd take a GT3RS over it any day.
Yeah this is the mentality. People who have this on reserve probably have a GT3 at least along with a few other "regular Porsches"They don't need to. If you have the money to drop $150k+ on a car, you probably already have another car, and it might be a different porsche model.
Lots of people of people can justify buying a $150K car if its something they really desire. The vast majority of Porsche enthusiasts don't own two $150 K cars. Their weekend toy is the $150K car. Their daily driver is usually something like the Model 3/Macan/GTI depending on their budget/tastes.They don't need to. If you have the money to drop $150k+ on a car, you probably already have another car, and it might be a different porsche model.
I generally get the sense that the folks on Rennlist are pretty disappointed with this.Yeah this is the mentality. People who have this on reserve probably have a GT3 at least along with a few other "regular Porsches"
Rennlist is going crazy over it lol
Lots of people of people can justify buying a $150K car if its something they really desire. The vast majority of Porsche enthusiasts don't own two $150 K cars. Their weekend toy is the $150K car. Their daily driver is usually something like the Model 3/Macan/GTI depending on their budget/tastes.
It remains to be seen if a Taycan can fullfill the role of the fun weekend car.
Try to go 0-60 in 2.4 secs in a Tesla 10 times in a row. Or drive a complete lap around the Nordschleife at full speed. And then try the same stunt with the Porsche. And then you might realize that Tesla entered a gunfight with a shiny knife. Shiny, yes, but still just a knife. Haven't even started talking about cornering. The Porsche plays in its very own league.
Well looks like the gauntlet is being thrown down so we'll see. The new Model S raven is much improved, motors and software, than the ones from like 2015 that were tracked.
Please all of you, take a look at this whole conversation with Chris Harris. As many have already said, it's not just about numbers. Otherwise cars like a Rolls Royce or Bentleys wouldn't exist.
The Taycan will be the better engineered product, no doubt about it. It also charges faster, which makes the smaller range almost irrelevant.
Basically. People keep forgetting that these are the Turbo and Turbo S versions. Obviously a cheaper RWD base model is coming down the pipe. And knowing Porsche, a bunch of special editions in-between.There will almost certainly be cheaper versions coming in the $100K range. Not average Joe range, but average successful Joe.
I think what Porsche will have difficulty proving is that their $150K-180k electric car is a reasonable alternative to its current ICE models. The Taycan looks nice, but I'd take a GT3RS over it any day.