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London Bridge terror incident: suspect shot dead by police after five injured [update: two members of public dead]
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The comment so far isn't he asked, but was required to as part of his automatic release
It's a failing of the justice system that people who aren't ready to be released get out automatically.
The beginning of deradicalisation has to happen behind bars, not some social experiment where you let extremists back out with an ankle bracelet and say to the public you'll try and deradicalise them then.
If they don't show improvement in prison then they shouldn't get out. The risks are too high when we talk about extremists to this degree.
I don't think it's true because if you look at the appeal I posted on the last page (section 49)
only one of the group had shown interest in de-radicalisation while in custody and it wasn't Khan.
edit: there could've been more when he were let out on license though. If that's the case there it's definitely a failure of the probation service.
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He did request deradicalisation In 2016 the requesting letter has been published by itv
Oh well, there is the proof he did.
Sounds like bedlem in our prisons if they aren't attempting to deradicalise and/or are letting people out that are still threats.
The blood of the two deaths could be on the chain of command that let this man back out and/or didn't deal with him properly in prison.
Even if the guy was chatting shit (lying), it's on the professionals to know that.
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Apologies. Here's the link.
Edit* Didn't see that post above!
It just seems very tricky and sad when it comes to deradicalisation, and will never be foolproof or always last forever.
So what happens: after a few sessions they pronounce that you are deradicalised? Is that even a word?
So now, a few councilor sessions is enough to convince people that they are no longer a threat to society?
"Really your honor, I didn't want to kill those people. But because nobody told me that I was no longer radicalized, I thought that I had too. You see your honor, it is the system that failed here. People like me that have no problem killing innocents just need to be deradicalised".. "a quick reboot to zero if you will"
So now the people need someone else to convince them that it is wrong to kill innocents for no reason.
Perhaps I should ask for a program to convince me not to rob a bank. Then when I don't get it, use it as a defense if I unsuccessfully try to rob one.
Sounds like a great get out of jail free card
Perhaps I should ask for a program to convince me not to rob a bank. Then when I don't get it, use it as a defense if I unsuccessfully try to rob one.
Sounds like a great get out of jail free card
?? So our problems can go away with a few therapy sessions! Got it. The whole " He asked for deradicalisation course" sounds like deflection bullshit. Unless people are that stupid that they need someone to tell them that killing is wrong...
Goes with what I posted earlier. That kind of rehab costs money and I just don't see a British goverment prepared to go all in with that.
I'm not sure why people in the thread want to shit on people becoming deradicilised? There has to be a start somewhere and rehabilitation should be the core behind prison sentences.
Terrorist or not eventually they will get released and you either want an angry person coming out or a changed person. I'll go with the changed person.
that Lukasz guy wow. He no doubt saved multiple people by deciding to fight back first. Getting slashed in the arm and side but never letting him go.
I literally do not understand how ordinary people can be that brave.
At the first sign of anything like that, I would've legged it as far away, as quickly as possible.
It's utterly astonishing to me how much courage those people had.
At the first sign of anything like that, I would've legged it as far away, as quickly as possible.
It's utterly astonishing to me how much courage those people had.
Exactly, never understand this either. Even if it's only successful part of the time that's still worthwhile.
Salute to Lukasz
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He didn't always think this, something happened, we need to understand why to create/update preventative frameworks from infecting others. We feel it's ok to kill, for instance a man like Usman Khan, terrorist, we (mostly) felt he had to be put down, imagine being so disconnected from reality that a man like him felt the same validation we do internally with those around him, these fanatics often bring up a list of (ridiculous) quasi justifications for thier perspective. It's more complex then saying it's obvious, that only works when we're synchronised to reason with the same set of rules.
We don't deport other serious offenders of violence/rape/pedophilia if they're our citizens, he's born, raised and radicalised here.
That article says he went through the program, starting in 2014
Sounds like he was rejecting the risk assessment til he could figure out how to game the system.
I knew this would happen. I'm sure you're not alone in thinking that and that many people will vote conservatives as a result of this because to do so would be to ensure Brexit which involves "taking control of our borders".
What this criminal did was kill 2 people but it doesn't stop there, he's turning people against immigration and it's going to make the lives of minority groups harder. The effects of this man's actions are far reaching and it might even go beyond the borders of the UK.
Hey everyone, sorry for bumping this thread. But I got banned for three months for posting this comment.
I would like to apologize for making this comment and I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I just felt bad and wanted to say sorry. Please note I am brown and not a racist right wing type fellow. Sorry!