Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by Ashby, Apr 1, 2018.
A quick search of homicides during 2017 seems to point towards 130 in London vs 290 in NY.
However I think cops can deem anything a lethal weapon, and confiscate it.
Its odd people were shocked by your leatherman if its for your job and had a specific purpose also letherman look more like a tool then a threatening knife.
I carry this on my keychain lol.
Gangs in New York have social media too.
Anyway most knife attack seem to be gang affiliated in London at least, the victims aren't always from gangs but the attackers often are connected to one in some way.
A good friend of my brother's was straight up murdered over Facebook beef. Insanity to take internet shit slinging that seriously, but that's today I guess :/
Anyway, this was the Leatherman for those that aren't aware can still be menacing enough to some.
So the opposite of that, thanks.
Anyway, this is typical Tory government social ennui.
All we need is a good riot and the Tories in a fucking bin.
Not all that shocking when the police are run on a shoestring budget that the Tories keep on hacking away at.
Sadiq Khan did say he'll do everything in his power to lower stop and search by police in 2015.
Just recently he's said they'll be a significant increase in stop and search.
Whether there was a reduction since 2015 I don't know but police cuts and lack of stop and search will give people confidence in carrying knives. More knives means others will be carrying them for protection too, it's an awful spiral.
Did Jack The Ripper steal H.G. Wells time machine?
Think we need to bring back stop and search and allow it to be targeted or be used more disportionately against minorities within London.
As the problem seems to lie within gangs made up typically of black men and boys.
I don't think people are *blaming* social media.
Rather, that young teens are instigating gang warfare over social media and sending each other videos of fights and stabbings to goad one another. And then it gets circulated to everyone and their uncle and normalised. It's a factor.
There are some fucking horrible areas of London and Greater London. I live about three miles south of Croydon. I have no intention of ever stepping foot in that cesspool.
Explains all the knife-free since 20xx posters and banners up in various parts of the city. But seriously it isn't as bad as it was 10 years ago. It went on the rise till some high profile deaths - siblings of famous people and then started to decline. While it has increased, it remains to be seen if these past two months are an outlier or part of an increasing trend. I mean I remember a time when you needed to show id to buy a metal spoon at some supermarkets we aren't there yet. And this would happen with cuts and other factors.
But gun control
"Both cities have similarly sized populations of around 8.5m people. New York City's murder rate has decreased by around 87 per cent since the 1990s"
The statistics that are not politically correct I guess.
Which is crazy because it's the city with the most surveillance. Just goes to show that no amount of cameras will deter some things.
It's about carrying a knife on you in public but the issue is that stop and search policy has targeted minorities, and the success rate of actually finding something was like 1%.
It's called stop and search.
I'm half black and have been subject to it but understand it's for the greater good. Politicians need to stop listening to the moaning of certain communities because the facts speak for themselves. It's the product of a perfect storm of May's ineptitude as Home Secretary and Khan's as Mayor. Having more PCs on the streets wouldn't hurt too, and a zero tolerance approach to even minor crime as per NY under Giuliani
That said, I didn't know real safety until I moved to Asia. In my city of almost three million people, we generally only have about ten murders per year (and that's high for this part of the world). Strict gun laws and strong social safety nets work.
Smdh at all these people trying to make this out as a policy issue. It's a police funding issue. If you have less police on the streets, people will feel less safe. When people feel less safe, they take measures to protect themselves, and when they have weapons, they eventually use them.
May removed four fucking thousand police from London's streets, that's over a 10% reduction.
Yet another statistic that shows the failings of the current government's policies over the last 8 years
Like folks are actually drawing conclusions about bloody gun control because London for one month, and the first time ever, had all of exactly one more murder than NYC except NYC is not even all that relatively high on the US murder rate city list:
But sure anti-gun control folks you've totally exposed the gun control myth, the gun control hoax.
4 US cities in the top 50 Deadliest cities in the whole world.
Our despicable Tory government won't be satisfied til we are all dead or penniless.
They don't care about the police force, the don't care about the health service, they don't care about the disabled, the elderly or the poor.
All they care about is lining their own greedy pockets.
does reduce knife crime.
We have racial profiling in other instances and no-one makes much of a fuss - e.g. FGM in the Somali community
Do you get it yet, gun control morons?
I kept trying to tell people that if you ban guns, people will just find another way to commit atrocities. The Vegas shooter could've thrown knives from that hotel window and produced the same results. Wake up.
There is some real mental gymnastics in this thread. This has been a problem that has been brewing for decades, not just 2 years.
I suppose Khan is responsible for the rising gun and knife crime rate in Birmingham too?
Not sure why you bring whataboutism into this? Two completely different things that both need reducing in different ways
Conclusion: Don't make this about making dumb remarks about gun control.