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Looks Like Valve keeps on wanting the visual novel money while being hostile to them featuring queer characters . | See the GoL article in the OP

TheSyldat

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Foreword :
As a Linux gamer Valve's steam is way more friendly with my OS of choice than GOG can be so visual novels being refused entry on steam makes them hard to get for me.
Also I don't wanna use GOG until they finally treat us equally as good as Win gamers by porting Galaxy on Linux so for the time being Itch and Steam are my only venues to buy Visual novels on my OS

Question being asked proper :

This recent article of Gaming On Linux (which I'll call GoL from now on ) highlights once again for me how much Valve seems to be all of the okay to make money from VN / Dating Sim type games so long as it doesn't feature non straight characters and romances .

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/the-expression-amrilato-a-yuri-visual-novel-that-teaches-some-esperanto-has-a-same-day-linux-release-on-gog.14371

Even on Linux the sheer daily volume of "Anime Tiddies" Dating Sims pandering to straight dudes , is undeniable almost every three days or so you see a big wad of them landing in your new release feed. But on the other hand every bloody time it features queer romances and characters for some weird fucking reason it's always an uphill battle to get them on steam .

Seriously fellow Linux gamers / Queer Gamers / both at once - especially both at once - just like myself am I the only one feeling that lately Valve has been pretty queer hostile ?

Edit : for furhter precision that if you're interscting being queer + linux gamer please chime in
 
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Hey. I've actually spoke to some people who are in the process of working on a VN that features LGBT representative characters in their game and Valve is pretty alright with most anything being on their platform. They've had no issue getting everything prepped and ready for the service. It seems it's more likely a matter of people coming to the platform to host their game there. I'm not sure what it requires, I think it's just a fee to publish with them, but from there on out pretty much everything goes unless it's clearly against their policy. I believe they're looking to release some time this year. They have released projects on the platform that are no longer avaliable (they didn't believe in the product and pulled it), but those also featured LGBT representatitve characters. I just feel the number of games that feature the big bap outweight those who feature LGBT characters and that's to be expected.
 

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So if I'm reading the OP correctly, is the Linux connection mostly due to the fact that VNs are better at being cross-platform than other genres? Regardless, Valve has been consistently terrible at handling VNs and NSFW content in general (though I realize the game in the OP is completely SFW).

Hey. I've actually spoke to some people who are in the process of working on a VN that features LGBT representative characters in their game and Valve is pretty alright with most anything being on their platform. They've had no issue getting everything prepped and ready for the service. It seems it's more likely a matter of people coming to the platform to host their game there. I'm not sure what it requires, I think it's just a fee to publish with them, but from there on out pretty much everything goes unless it's clearly against their policy. I believe they're looking to release some time this year. They have released projects on the platform that are no longer avaliable (they didn't believe in the product and pulled it), but those also featured LGBT representatitve characters. I just feel the number of games that feature the big bap outweight those who feature LGBT characters and that's to be expected.
None of this outweighs the actual devs in the OP getting rejected right now though.
 

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I don't really know in detail about Steam's recent behaviour about LGBT games, but I was pretty surprised with their problems with The Expression Amrilato (which I was eagerly waiting for), since AFAIK it's a harmless romantic story without any adult content or fanservice, while they don't seem to mind about really trashy and porn-y visual novels...
 

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So if I'm reading the OP correctly, is the Linux connection mostly due to the fact that VNs are better at being cross-platform than other genres? Regardless, Valve has been consistently terrible at handling VNs and NSFW content in general (though I realize the game in the OP is completely SFW).


None of this outweighs the actual devs in the OP getting rejected right now though.
A lot of VNs are pretty simple RenPy (and similar) projects, which are very easy to run on multiple platforms
 

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So since there's not much in the OP about why it was rejected, I did a couple minutes of looking around, and from what I can tell the game has some "illustrations with mild nudity", and Valve rejected it because it "sexualizes minors".

So basically the game had nudity in it, and Valve looked at it and said "nah, those are kids" and rejected the game.
 
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Griff

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For what it is worth there are gay VNs with more hardcore scenes on Steam. Lagoon Lounge and No Thank You!! come to mind. One is a hardcore gay furry eroge and the other is a Bara eroge, Both with full nudity and fucking.

The issue here seems to be more about the age of the characters, and honestly I can't blame them. I was interested in this game from a hobby linguist perspective and had no idea it even had eroge elements until this happened and now I have some mixed feelings about it.
 

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So basically the game had nudity in it, and Valve looked at it and said "nah, those are kids" and rejected the game.
That would make sense... After all, Dream Daddy and COOT are both on Steam. COOT had to remove the porn CG to get there, but I think they managed to add them back without any difficulty. But the characters looked like adults.
 
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So if I'm reading the OP correctly, is the Linux connection mostly due to the fact that VNs are better at being cross-platform than other genres? Regardless, Valve has been consistently terrible at handling VNs and NSFW content in general (though I realize the game in the OP is completely SFW).
To answer to you and make things clear.

First all as pointed out by another poster Visual Novels / Dating Sim type games are generally made with fairly easy to use engines that can "shit out " a mac and linux build on top of a Windows build just by ticking a single box . So making them multi OS is straight forward these days.

But GOG have a terrible custom installer that's just a pain in the butt to deal with on Linux . Sooo for a linux gamer who is also queer and wants his VN / Dating sims with queer romances it is waaaay more convinient to get them either on steam or itch because they both have a good launcher with a one click install user experience.

Also to answer others yes when it comes to LGBTQ themed VN / Dating Sim the last 9 months have been nothing but bafflingly hostile behavior coming from Valve with a lot of titles being denied entry at first and them having to resubmit multiple times , while every three days or so you see a big pile of "anime tiddies" ones that are nothing but softcore porn dropping on steam with little to no question .
 

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To answer to you and make things clear.

First all as pointed out by another poster Visual Novels / Dating Sim type games are generally made with fairly easy to use engines that can "shit out " a mac and linux build on top of a Windows build just by ticking a single box . So making them multi OS is straight forward these days.

But GOG have a terrible custom installer that's just a pain in the butt to deal with on Linux . Sooo for a linux gamer who is also queer and wants his VN / Dating sims with queer romances it is waaaay more convinient to get them either on steam or itch because they both have a good launcher with a one click install user experience.

Also to answer others yes when it comes to LGBTQ themed VN / Dating Sim the last 9 months have been nothing but bafflingly hostile behavior coming from Valve with a lot of titles being denied entry at first and them having to resubmit multiple times , while every three days or so you see a big pile of "anime tiddies" ones that are nothing but softcore porn dropping on steam with little to no question .
do you believe the game in the op sexualizes minors?
 
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do you believe the game in the op sexualizes minors?
Going by the trailer that Liam posted on his GoL article , I have seen no scene of overt sexualization and more just pairing of high school teens going on teen level dates with each other.
And Liam himself said that the devs didn't even receive an explanation as to why they got rejected .

So to the poster who said that steam had a statement on that game can you provide a source for it ? Because the trailer doesn't show any sexualization as far as I can see .

Also GOG heavily curates what VN they released and any hint of pandering to the "loli lovers" crowd get a strict no that can see no recourse from them , so if GOG is okay carrying it on their store I doubt it has any minors sexualization in it .
 

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The issue here seems to be more about the age of the characters, and honestly I can't blame them. I was interested in this game from a hobby linguist perspective and had no idea it even had eroge elements until this happened and now I have some mixed feelings about it.
I haven't watched the full CG to avoid spoilers, but I'm pretty sure there's NO sexual content in this.
Even Mangagamer's shop page has it as a "All ages" game and there's no hint of nudity in any of the promotional CGs.
 

Castile

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I was interested in this game from a hobby linguist perspective and had no idea it even had eroge elements until this happened and now I have some mixed feelings about it.
I don't think this is eroge, for petes sake this was an all ages game in Japan, but more that Steam has a hard stance with bath scenes which Japan doesn't have a problem showing in Kids cartoons and other media. They are not there to sexualize the characters, but for character bonding.
 

Rosebud

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Dream Daddy is on Steam tho, that seems weird.

Any place we can complain about it/ask for clarification?
 

Htown

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So to the poster who said that steam had a statement on that game can you provide a source for it ? Because the trailer doesn't show any sexualization as far as I can see .
That quote about the sexualizing of minors came from a TechRaptor article on the game:
An additional bit of commentary came from MangaGamer’s PR Director John Pickett. “Valve’s claim that this title ‘sexualizes minors’ is quite frankly absurd and discriminatory,” he said in a press release. “The Expression: Amrilato is an educational title and it has no sexual content. Period.”

And the bit about the game having nudity comes from the game's Steam store page:
The developers describe the content like this:

The game has a few illustrations with mild nudity.
All characters are 18 years of age or older.
Valve is apparently calling bullshit on the "18 years of age" thing.
 

Castile

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I was not aware of such a scene in this game but that just makes me wonder why they let Blue Reflection on the store.
Idk, that's just my guess as another all ages visual novel lilycle was also turned down and the most provocative scenes there are the bath scenes, and even than they are very tamed, not showing anything.
 
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Dream Daddy is on Steam tho, that seems weird.

Any place we can complain about it/ask for clarification?
What isn't "english enough" in the word "lately" as in recently as in in the past few months .

Dream Daddy isn't a "lately" game it has released a while ago already .
Valve is apparently calling bullshit on the "18 years of age" thing.
Which is weird of them to do so given than GOG is waaaay more picky then them with VN / Dating Sims and they are okay carrying the game .
(again GOG has made it known that when it comes to VN they screen that shit closely because they still feel uncomfortable adopting an "everything goes" attitude and would rather take a good look at them before letting the game up on their store )
 
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The following appears to be the most risque scene in the game, based on the CGs from the Japanese release, and is probably what Valve objected to:

NSFW: https://imgur.com/a/uYZb8pb

The scene shows the two main characters in the game in a bathroom, one character hidden from the neck down by the edge of a bath-tub, and the other character sitting nude in front of the bathtub. The second character's crotch is obscured by the bottom of the image and her breasts are somewhat obscured (nipples not visible) by convenient clouds of steam.
 

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Personally I think that Valve freaked out at the highschool girl bit



I think that plus the bath scene which I'm not sure if I can link (but seems pretty tame) is what caused the reviewer to do that, plus the fact that MG is known to publish porny stuff.

This is a yuri game from MG and seemed to come out fine on Steam

I think it depends a lot on who is reviewing the game for approval, also for whatever reason known publishers of 18+ games in general seems to be scrutinized more throughly than your random unknown company trying to put a porny game on Steam, for whatever reason.
This cannot be overstated enough but it's JUST MY SPECULATION as there's nothing 100% sure.

edit: I have been corrected on the other VN I linked to, I remembered wrongly.
 
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The following appears to be the most risque scene in the game, based on the CGs from the Japanese release, and is probably what Valve objected to:

NSFW: https://imgur.com/a/uYZb8pb

The scene shows the two main characters in the game in a bathroom, one character hidden from the neck down by the edge of a bath-tub, and the other character sitting nude in front of the bathtub. The second character's crotch is obscured by the bottom of the image and her breasts are somewhat obscured (nipples not visible) by convenient clouds of steam.
This CG is clearly a taking a bath scene if that gives you a stiffy you're the perv not the artist dammit !

Hell look at the whole picture it's clearly them talking ...

If that's what they object too Valve have problems ...
 

Griff

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I haven't watched the full CG to avoid spoilers, but I'm pretty sure there's NO sexual content in this.
Even Mangagamer's shop page has it as a "All ages" game and there's no hint of nudity in any of the promotional CGs.
I don't think this is eroge, for petes sake this was an all ages game in Japan, but more that Steam has a hard stance with bath scenes which Japan doesn't have a problem showing in Kids cartoons and other media. They are not there to sexualize the characters, but for character bonding.
Thanks for the information. I have lived in Japan and am fluent in Japanese so I understand the cultural context of a bath scene, so that is not lost on me, but I do think there is something to be said about the framing in this context; it's a fluff Yuri VN advertised as specifically about the relationship between the characters, and putting in a "bonding scene" featuring minors in a romantic relationship while nude is still something to be cautious about in this context.

That being said, I do think that there is an argument to be made that this does not fall under Steam's enforceable guidelines so I would be genuinely surprised if it stays off the store. My larger point was just that I don't think the LGBT nature of the content is what got it removed, but rather the potential sexualization of minors.
 

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That being said, I do think that there is an argument to be made that this does not fall under Steam's enforceable guidelines so I would be genuinely surprised if it stays off the store. My larger point was just that I don't think the LGBT nature of the content is what got it removed, but rather the potential sexualization of minors.
The thing that you are missing is that VN / Dating Sims are played a whole lot by teenagers a lot of whom are queer , and when it comes to depiciting underage girls with "big anime tiddies" for striaght dudes just about anything files on steam and every god dam three days a fuck load of them are landing on steam just fine .

But the minutes it features teenager + queer cast (especially when it's girl on girl / feature a trans woman teenager in the story ) lately those titles have been facing an incresingly baffling cycle of rejections regardless of who the developper was .

So basically pedo shit for striaght dudes ? fine
Straight teenagers Story even with nudity ? fine gets droped on the store no questions asked
Queer teens ? What the fuck heeeelll noooo !

That's the feeling we are getting with Valve's recent behavior.

TL:DR : Valve could we avoid yet another generation of queer teens self loathing like crazy waaay into their early adulthood because any romance between queer teen is denied publication ?
 

Griff

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The thing that you are missing is that VN / Dating Sims are played a whole lot by teenagers a lot of whom are queer , and when it comes to depiciting underage girls with "big anime tiddies" for striaght dudes just about anything files on steam and every god dam three days a fuck load of them are landing on steam just fine .

But the minutes it features teenager + queer cast (especially when it's girl on girl / feature a trans woman teenager in the story ) lately those titles have been facing an incresingly baffling cycle of rejections regardless of who the developper was .

So basically pedo shit for striaght dudes ? fine
Straight teenagers Story even with nudity ? fine gets droped on the store no questions asked
Queer teens ? What the fuck heeeelll noooo !

That's the feeling we are getting with Valve's recent behavior.
I'm not missing that at all, I'm gay and played VNs as a teen too. My point was specifically that the common denominator in this specific case is the age of the characters, and the specific call-outs to their ages.

I'm grossed out by the pedobait stuff for straight dudes just as much as everyone else here, so I'm curious which titles have actually ended up slipping by the radar that don't go out of their way to avoid age-related issues. And also, again, I would be deeply surprised if this didn't end up live on the store soon enough.
 
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The following appears to be the most risque scene in the game, based on the CGs from the Japanese release, and is probably what Valve objected to:

NSFW: https://imgur.com/a/uYZb8pb

The scene shows the two main characters in the game in a bathroom, one character hidden from the neck down by the edge of a bath-tub, and the other character sitting nude in front of the bathtub. The second character's crotch is obscured by the bottom of the image and her breasts are somewhat obscured (nipples not visible) by convenient clouds of steam.
This is probably it.
 
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I'm grossed out by the pedobait stuff for straight dudes just as much as everyone else here, so I'm curious which titles have actually ended up slipping by the radar that don't go out of their way to avoid age-related issues.
Dude litteraly all I need to do is to browse the new release list with SteamOS + Visual Novels filter on and look at the first title when sorting by latest release.

Hell guess what I 'm gonna do just that and give you the first result ...
Yep didn't even fail

So again on one hand the loli bait stuff gets a free pass no questions asked , but a roamnce between two girls nope got review this one ...
 

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Dude litteraly all I need to do is to browse the new release list with SteamOS + Visual Novels filter on and look at the first title when sorting by latest release.

Hell guess what I 'm gonna do just that and give you the first result ...
Yep didn't even fail
This page directly calls out that there is not nudity, and that there are only scenes of implied sexual relations. As far as Valve's rules go, this is 100% okay for publication, whereas Amrilato is not due to the fact that there are actively naked minors in a CG. There is a smoking gun, no matter how innocent it seems, and the issue does not appear to be the LGBT characters but rather their ages in the context of that one offending CG. Regardless of the sexuality of the characters, or the sexual intent of the game, these are not equivalent comparisons.

I don't know why you are trying to strawman my point, or why you are being hostile and arguing in bad faith here. I also have already stated I wouldn't be surprised if the decision was reversed.


Edit: I'm also not trying to defend Valve here, their rules are wonk as hell, just that this is not an example of their rules being bent inconsistently to deny LGBT representation.
 
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[STAFF]Added "novel" to the title to make it clearer.[/STAFF]
I forgot to put in novel in Visual Novel in the title ?

If so my bad , sorry I'm more than a bit miffed by this all situation like I said lately queer teens love stories get a striaght up no with little explanation if any at all .
Soo I was a bit hasty. I'll be more carefull next time promise. I'm sorry you had to edit the title.
 

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Idk, that's just my guess as another all ages visual novel lilycle was also turned down and the most provocative scenes there are the bath scenes, and even than they are very tamed, not showing anything.
it was delayed for a day not turned down, it's why I forgot it had any issue at all releasing because it's out right now.
 

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I forgot to put in novel in Visual Novel in the title ?

If so my bad , sorry I'm more than a bit miffed by this all situation like I said lately queer teens love stories get a striaght up no with little explanation if any at all .
Soo I was a bit hasty. I'll be more carefull next time promise. I'm sorry you had to edit the title.

That's fine. It's no problem for us to fix title mistakes.
 

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As always with this issue valve has every right to refuse games but It would be so much better if the rules were clear. It feels like I read about VNs getting pulled on steam on a regular basis and yet I don't understand why as they sell VNs that are way more risky,I would just like some more transparency on the matter.
 
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This page directly calls out that there is not nudity, and that there are only scenes of implied sexual relations. As far as Valve's rules go, this is 100% okay for publication, whereas Amrilato is not due to the fact that there are actively naked minors in a CG. There is a smoking gun, no matter how innocent it seems, and the issue does not appear to be the LGBT characters but rather their ages in the context of that one offending CG. Regardless of the sexuality of the characters, or the sexual intent of the game, these are not equivalent comparisons.

I don't know why you are trying to strawman my point, or why you are being hostile and arguing in bad faith here. I also have already stated I wouldn't be surprised if the decision was reversed.
Look at the update feed of the game I shared and also google "decensor mod" ...
I'm not being hostile or strawmanning you , you said you'd be curious to see pedo shit "slipping under the radar" I just told you how to see it . Just by browsing the latest VN release that gets dropped on Linux on top of Windows .
I'm not against you or mad at you I asnwered your question .
And also maybe you're not paying attention but seriously the VN tag on Steam is flooded with more than questionnable stuff .

EDIT : what I am trying to say is the following "because the pedo bait ones the devs to tick the box to make all three builds more so than the good quality VNs when you're a linux gamer on steam an shopping for VNs you see a waaaaay bigger amount of loli stuff than windows users do as the result of your search .
 
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it was delayed for a day not turned down, it's why I forgot it had any issue at all releasing because it's out right now.
Correct, I mishap on my part, especially when I have already written about it a post before. Still, bad word choice on my part. As for the review delayed, people on the manga gamer team were worried about it being turned down, and as a precaution were already in talks to host it in gog.
 

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Look at the update feed of the game I shared and also google "decensor mod" ...
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And also maybe you're not paying attention but seriously the VN tag on Steam is flooded with more than questionnable stuff .
This is being hostile, and also again misrepresenting what I was saying. Additionally, I did read the update posts. There isn't anything in there that involves nude minors. Again, what Valve allows on the store does not take into account mods or patches available outside of the store, and this has always been the case -- that is how VNs got by before they began allowing nudity on the store to begin with.

And yes, the VN tag is full of trash garbage that is gross, I agree, but most get by on technicalities and by sticking as close to the letter of the rules as they can and then circumventing the rules outside of steam, which is skeevy, but "allowed". I don't agree with it, personally, but to compare them is a false equivalence.
 

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Kindred Spirits on the Roof has full on sex scenes (tastefully done ones, that are less gratuitous then most Western ones in stuff like the Witcher) So it's outrageous that this all age title is being refused.

I honestly think JAST, Mangagamer, and all the other VN localisation companies should just have their own platform.
 
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This is being hostile, and also again misrepresenting what I was saying. Additionally, I did read the update posts. There isn't anything in there that involves nude minors. Again, what Valve allows on the store does not take into account mods or patches available outside of the store, and this has always been the case -- that is how VNs got by before they began allowing nudity on the store to begin with.

And yes, the VN tag is full of trash garbage that is gross, I agree, but most get by on technicalities and by sticking as close to the letter of the rules as they can and then circumventing the rules outside of steam, which is skeevy, but "allowed". I don't agree with it, personally, but to compare them is a false equivalence.
let me rephrase "I didn't want to come acroos as hostile" also read my edit ;)

I don't hold any grudge against you or anything I just wanted to add the precision "maybe you don't ALSO tick the box for the ones that are on Linux because if you did you'd see 95 % questionnable stuff and only a handfull that are good quality titles more so than if you didn't tick the box"
 

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Mind you, this platform lets a fucking creepy ass Train Lolicon game Maitetsu on it, but this isn't allowed? (A title with zero sex and exploitative scenes) Madness.
 

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let me rephrase "I didn't want to come acroos as hostile" also read my edit ;)

I don't hold any grudge against you or anything I just wanted to add the precision "maybe you don't ALSO tick the box for the ones that are on Linux because if you did you'd see 95 % questionnable stuff and only a handfull that are good quality titles more so than if you didn't tick the box"
My daily driver for VNs and indie games is a Linux machine (running Pop!OS). I get what you're saying though; I don't intend to derail the thread any further. It does suck that the game was removed/denied publishing, but again, I'm curious to see if it will get through in the future.
 
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My daily driver for VNs and indie games is a Linux machine (running Pop!OS). I get what you're saying though; I don't intend to derail the thread any further. It does suck that the game was removed/denied publishing, but again, I'm curious to see if it will get through in the future.
Then my bad for assuming you were a windows user . And I appologize , and hope you understand why I assumed you were .
Like I said the questionnable stuff gets ported more so than the good titles sooo being queer and shopping for good quality queer themed VNs on linux is even more a pain in the butt than when you're a windows user.

Seriously I'm not speaking to Griff only here anymore but to everyone who's not a fellow queer penguin . Do the experiment at home browse for VN , then browse for VN while precising it needs to have a linux build and look at the diffrence between the two . What you're seeing is what we LGBT linux users see as our search results for VN titles ...

Also if you're a fellow penguin please just like Griff flag yourself in the post please .
I don't want the convo to be a convo limited to linux users , but the intersection of the two is part of my issue with how badly valve's handling of VN titles goes lately . So please windows gamers bear that in mind .
 

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ valve is just flipping a coin every time a VN wants to be release on steam.
 

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Steam is fine with fetishizing gay people.

Fetishizing school girls, not so much.