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Lore bomb: The "A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is bad forever" quote was not said by Miyamoto
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Surprised tbh cuz I thought the real background of that quote was Miyamoto trying to excuse either Wind Waker or Sunshine not being out yet when the GCN didn't have a lot of games.
Still true, though games eventually do have to release and the devs shouldn't be overworked to deliver a freaking video game
Does it really matter? That quote has a nice ring to it but it doesn't apply in every situation, as history can attest.
Saying "rushed games from bad management that end up resulting in being full of bugs, broken features and cut content , truly suck monkey ass" would actually be more profound.
Saying "rushed games from bad management that end up resulting in being full of bugs, broken features and cut content , truly suck monkey ass" would actually be more profound.
It's a little known fact, but Pikachu never actually made that face.
It's Miyamoto in a Pikachu costume.
Yeah but hes been in game dev for 40+ years. I'd be willing to bet he has zero memory of saying that but since everyone says he did he just rolls with it.
This, and the quote also pre-dates the modern type of post-launch support, so using that as a gotcha is dumb.
Not surprised given that it's a dumb quote.
Some games spend many years in protracted development and they don't end up 'eventually good' for all of their delays. It requires very specific and difficult to attain conditions to be met for time be all that you require to transition from a bad game, into a good one.
Some games spend many years in protracted development and they don't end up 'eventually good' for all of their delays. It requires very specific and difficult to attain conditions to be met for time be all that you require to transition from a bad game, into a good one.
At least we still have this one
This was the first thing I thought of
This one is funny. I'm in the minority but the R rated Miyamoto quotes are just trying too hard.People posting all these inspirational Miyamoto quotes without posting my favourite:
It's not just how long he's been in the industry, there's also a translation barrier. The phrase doesn't strike you as something that would be so perfectly flowing and witty in English unless somebody had taken a sentiment and translated it in a non-literal way. The closest interview quote we can find is similar enough in spirit that even if he had particularly good memory he could probably plausibly imagine that it was a reference to that or similar things:
That interview was 2001, which is several years after people had already attributed the much more concise and naturalistic phrase to Miyamoto.
Indeed, this 2001 quote is actually very close to what Miyamoto's "clarification" is in the following interview (timestamped to 11 minutes):
Interview with Miyamoto: Star Fox Zero
Nintendo fans, unite!►http://bit.ly/NintendoFanI'm not even sure if I can do my usual witty description here. Nintendo flew me in to talk to Miyamoto about S...www.youtube.com
The translator comes back and says "What I meant to say was if you release a game in a bad state, you will always regret it".
IMO this is pretty much case closed, but people will probably hang onto this interview and say that since he clarified what he was quoted as saying, that means he is admitting the quote was real to begin with - which I don't think it does at all.
How come that quote ever got popular? Never seemed accurate.
There's loads of examples of delayed games released poorly (Duke Nukem Forever, Alien Colonial Marines, Anthem, delayed multiplayer game that has a 'beta' test)
And then theres also games that launch poorly, even catastrophically, and totally redeem themselves (No Mans Sky, AC Unity, Destiny 2, Diablo 3, every single Battlefield game lol)
There's loads of examples of delayed games released poorly (Duke Nukem Forever, Alien Colonial Marines, Anthem, delayed multiplayer game that has a 'beta' test)
And then theres also games that launch poorly, even catastrophically, and totally redeem themselves (No Mans Sky, AC Unity, Destiny 2, Diablo 3, every single Battlefield game lol)
*Sighs*
The obvious point of the quote is clearly just that rushing out a game is bad. Also the quote is from before real post launch support was a thing, all the games you mention are from a completely different era.
This quote predates online updates though. Back then you released a game and that was it, it was done.
And any game that was delayed and still ended up bad... well, you can say they just weren't delayed enough. Duke was rushed out the door once Gearbox got their hands on it, Aliens and Cyberpunk had clear dev issues and were also just released in poor states instead of delaying when they should've.
Technically I guess you can delay and reboot a game for decades and it will eventually end up good. Just keep rebooting until it is.
It predates the whole update mindset. We're talking the Wii days, when they (nintendo) couldn't patch games. They had to release a special download when there was a game breaking glitch in Skyward Sword.
I thought the fact he didn't say the quote was part of the joke? I always assumed he had never said it, like a lot quotes attributed to famous people.
In any case, its a quote that makes sense, and it seems like something he would say, so it is good enough.
In any case, its a quote that makes sense, and it seems like something he would say, so it is good enough.
Well this is fake news
I'm glad all the other inspirational quotes here are 100% REAL though.
The man is a legend.
I'm glad all the other inspirational quotes here are 100% REAL though.
The man is a legend.
"A rushed game can eventually be good, but a delayed game can always still be bad." - Sun Tzu, Art of War
the line was never 'a delayed game is eventually good but a bad game is bad forever'
it was 'a delayed game may eventually be good but a bad game is bad forever.'
it was 'a delayed game may eventually be good but a bad game is bad forever.'
He didn't! That was the marketing side of Ion Storm which was Mike Wilson, who then went on to do stupid shit like GodGames and Gamecock but eventually got something going with Devolver.
This thread is all about misattributed quotes from Shigeru Miyamoto.
I'm counting how many there are right now. (Hint: 6 different ones)
I'm counting how many there are right now. (Hint: 6 different ones)
Yup, as Julius Caesar once said, "do not believe everything you read on the internet"
I mean, despite how long this game was in development, it clearly needed significantly more development time and better project management.
The developers working on the game clearly knew this based on post-release statements we've seen, but higher-ups and shareholders were more interested in banking off of the hype behind the game and chasing GTA audiences than putting out something of actual quality.
If anything, that is a perfect example of that quote, regardless of who actually said it. Now whether the game would be good even if it wasn't a huge technical mess is another matter entirely. Probably not, since it's more "wow cool future" than actual cyberpunk.