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Los Angeles D.A. Jackie Lacey’s husband pulls gun on Black Lives Matter protesters at his home

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D.A. Jackie Lacey’s husband pulls gun on Black Lives Matter protesters at his home

A group of Black Lives Matter activists arrived before dawn outside the home of Los Angeles County's top prosecutor, authorities said.
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The husband of Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey pulled a gun on protesters outside the home of the county’s top prosecutor early Monday morning, further heightening a tense primary over the district attorney’s job.

Video from the scene shows a man standing in Lacey’s doorway in Granada Hills pointing a gun and shouting, “I will shoot you. Get off of my porch.”
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So why didn’t he just call the cops instead of threatening protestors with a gun? What a fucking idiot.
 
texmechanica

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I'm sure this DA is super shitty and I'm far from being a 2A defender but those protesters have no right to trespass onto their personal property and harass them.
 
NexusCell

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Not gonna defend waving a gun around but the protesters probably shouldn’t be on private property
 
JDSN

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Dude is fucking crazy, but respect prívate property if you don't wanna be shot by crazy ppl.
 
Tuorom

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We need guns to protect us from people trespassing on our porches. They might steal our nice potted plants or garden gnomes! Or try and talk to me.
 
JamRock7

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That is really annoying. Imagine having that voice on your porch repeating the same thing over and over again that early in the morning..

not saying it isn’t an insane overreaction but I’d be pissed too

EDIT: why does shesound like she’s on the verge of tears it’s bothering me now lol
 
Z-Beat

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Well, they've got balls for being willing to stare down a crazy dude with a gun over the D.A. flaking out on a community meeting
 
BlueTsunami

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JamRock7 said:
EDIT: why does shesound like she’s on the verge of tears it’s bothering me now lol
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Well she was a hair trigger away from death

As to them showing up at her porch being a bit much, apparently the DA has been ducking the community for 2 years is what I gather from that Twitter thread. No meetings with Black Lives Matters LA. Sometimes you have to take it there if your elected officials are not fulfilling their obligations.
 
Soundscream

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Yeah you can't be rolling up to their door like that.

But that was some piss poor trigger discipline on his part.

Everyone in the wrong here.
 
chrominance

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Man, all these people being all "they shouldn't have been on private property." Do you know how much of your lives is spent on private property? Are you implicitly agreeing to have a gun aimed at you whenever you do so?

If you're a mail carrier you have to approach people's homes all day. Salespeople, campaign volunteers, etc. Can you wave a gun at them too?

What the fuck?
 
Aske

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This is why even "good" Americans shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves with guns. "They were on my porch, so I shot them" should not be a sentence people living in a society should be chill with. Ideal world, a not-corrupt police force gets called, and the protesters are treated like humans. Maybe taking the guns away from people like this would ensure greater professionalism and accountability for the police force.
 
jay

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This thread is showing it doesn't have an appetite for radical activism like standing on an officials lawn.
 
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chrominance said:
Man, all these people being all "they shouldn't have been on private property." Do you know how much of your lives is spent on private property? Are you implicitly agreeing to have a gun aimed at you whenever you do so?

If you're a mail carrier you have to approach people's homes all day. Salespeople, campaign volunteers, etc. Can you wave a gun at them too?

What the fuck?
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Mail carriers and sales people have implicit rights to come on your private property. Protestors don't.
 
Kill3r7

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chrominance said:
How do salespeople have implicit rights to come on my private property? Are they a protected class under the law?
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Yes protected under First Amendment where not limited by city ordinance. Also you have to leave once the owner asks you do so. A simple no solicitation signs suffices as notice. Either way it is a moot point as solicitation laws/protections differ from protestors.
 
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chrominance said:
How do salespeople have implicit rights to come on my private property? Are they a protected class under the law?
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Quick Google search:

Even private property owners may be surprised to learn that door-to-door soliciting actually is legal in the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that traveling salespeople have a constitutional right to be there, upholding their right to free speech for commercial purposes. States, and even local municipalities, are not allowed to create laws or regulations, for example requiring registration or permits or setting permissible solicitation hours.

Monroe Kelly said:
Good to know that I could have pulled a gun on the Warren canvasser who knocked on my door yesterday morning and been legally and morally correct.
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In Canada, people canvassing for election candidates are allowed on your property. Pretty sure they have special exclusion.
 
chrominance

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Kill3r7 said:
Yes protected under First Amendment where not limited by city ordinance. Also you have to leave once the owner asks you do so. A simple no solicitation signs suffices as notice. Either way it is a moot point as solicitation laws and protections differ from protestors.
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The idea that salespeople are protected under the First Amendment but not protesters is kind of ridiculous.

And in any case, none of this should give you the right to threaten people with a gun if they don't get off your lawn, quite literally. (The fact that several states do in fact enshrine this right in law doesn't make it any better in my view, and in any case those are supposed to be in cases where you feel your life or property are threatened.)

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Quick Google search:

Even private property owners may be surprised to learn that door-to-door soliciting actually is legal in the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that traveling salespeople have a constitutional right to be there, upholding their right to free speech for commercial purposes. States, and even local municipalities, are not allowed to create laws or regulations, for example requiring registration or permits or setting permissible solicitation hours.


In Canada, people canvassing for election candidates are allowed on your property. Pretty sure they have special exclusion.
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Huh. Well. That strikes me as fairly insane to me (I have to let you on my property if it's for a commercial purpose but can restrict your rights if it's political) but okay.

Still, again, I'm not seeing the part where this means the property owner can threaten to shoot you.
 
Monroe Kelly

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I don't think brandishing a weapon like that is legal in CA.
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It's not.


Protecting One’s Home A person may defend his or her home against anyone who attempts to enter in a violent manner intending violence to any person in the home . The amount of force that may be used in resisting such entry is limited to that which would appear necessary to a reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances to resist the violent entry . One is not bound to retreat, even though a retreat might safely be made . One may resist force with force, increasing it in proportion to the intruder's persistence and violence, if the circumstances apparent to the occupant would cause a reasonable person in the same or similar situation to fear for his or her safety . The occupant may use a firearm when resisting the intruder's attempt to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime against anyone in the home provided that a reasonable person in the same or similar situation would believe that (a) the intruder intends to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime; (b) there is imminent danger of such crime being accomplished; and (c) the occupant acts under the belief that use of a firearm is necessary to save himself or herself or another from death or great bodily injury . Murder, mayhem, rape, and robbery are examples of forcible and life-threatening crimes . Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry had occurred . Great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury . (Pen . Code, § 198 .5 .) NOTE: If the presumption is rebutted by contrary evidence, the occupant may be criminally liable for an unlawful assault or homicide . 9 Defense of Property The lawful occupant of real property has the right to request a trespasser to leave the premises . If the trespasser does not do so within a reasonable time, the occupant may use force to eject the trespasser . The amount of force that may be used to eject a trespasser is limited to that which a reasonable person would believe to be necessary under the same or similar circumstances
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Good luck convincing a jury you were so afraid for your life you needed to open the front door and escalate to deadly force. I've seen nothing that indicates the protesters were trying to forcefully gain access to the home or threatening violence.
 
Monroe Kelly

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NTGYK said:
Quick Google search:

Even private property owners may be surprised to learn that door-to-door soliciting actually is legal in the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that traveling salespeople have a constitutional right to be there, upholding their right to free speech for commercial purposes. States, and even local municipalities, are not allowed to create laws or regulations, for example requiring registration or permits or setting permissible solicitation hours.


In Canada, people canvassing for election candidates are allowed on your property. Pretty sure they have special exclusion.
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Cool. This happened in California, where you can't just wave a gun around at people because they're on your property.
 
Van Bur3n

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There was no rational reason to pull a gun on people who are clearly not a threat. Dude needs some sense slapped into him and his wife needs to do her damn job.
 
Kill3r7

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chrominance said:
The idea that salespeople are protected under the First Amendment but not protesters is kind of ridiculous.

And in any case, none of this should give you the right to threaten people with a gun if they don't get off your lawn, quite literally. (The fact that several states do in fact enshrine this right in law doesn't make it any better in my view, and in any case those are supposed to be in cases where you feel your life or property are threatened.)
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Protestors are protected under the First Amendment they just cannot protest on private property. A traveling salesperson/solicitor needs access to private property to do their job. Additionally this right can be curtailed by local ordinances or simply a no solicitation sign. Something you cannot do to someone protesting on a public sidewalk.
 
krazen

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Pulling a gun on constituents is a tried and true way of staying in office.

Protestors were wrong to go on public property but that’s when you call the cops, not pull a gun on people you want to vote in ya favor.
 

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Kill3r7 said:
Protestors are protected under the First Amendment they just cannot protest on private property. A traveling salesperson/solicitor needs access to private property to do their job. Additionally this right can be curtailed by local ordinances or simply a no solicitation sign. Something you cannot do to someone protesting on a public sidewalk.
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OK but you still can't point a gun at them.
 
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They shouldn’t be on his property but a gun was over reaction, could of sprayed them with bug spray or something.
 
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