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dex3108

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Oct 26, 2017
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According to an article from a Japanese showbiz news site named Nikkan Taishu, in which the site did an interview with someone familiar with the situation, Sega wanted to publish Lost Judgement on PC/Steam to further extend the series' audience but the protagonist's actor Takuya Kimura's talent agency refrained them from doing so due to their very strict portraiture right policy (very limited pictures of their talents even on their website). Sega thinks this doesn't look reasonable in terms of business and decides to end the series with the second entry.

Most of the above info is in the 2nd page of the article.

Edit: Some of you ask why the talent agency prevent Sega from publishing the PC version, as I say in the post, the talent company "Johnny's" have a very strict portraiture right policy, they don't want their talents' portraits on "a PC platform that is not a game console platform and connects directly to Internet."

 

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
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I mean, I'd believe it, but I'm surprised they'd push through a sequel with Kimura at all then.

How does the streaming version exist then though?
 

Raigor

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Some of you ask why the talent agency prevent Sega from publishing the PC version, as I say in the post, the talent company "Johnny's" have a very strict portraiture right policy, they don't want their talents' portraits on "a PC platform that is not a game console platform and connects directly to Internet."

I just can't lol
 

PachaelD

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Oct 25, 2017
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I half-believe this due to Johnny's and what went down with SMAP but wouldn't that include Judgment Stadia if that were the case?
 

Dolce

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, I'd believe it, but I'm surprised they'd push through a sequel with Kimura at all then.

How does the streaming version exist then though?

I'm guessing they already put too much work in. If this series is popular in the West, especially compared to Japan, maybe they realized they could just start another series/do more Yakuza spinoffs and not bother with the headache. If the games are really popular in the West, it doesn't really matter who the actors are, because most people in the West don't know who the actors are, versus in Japan where they would be much well known.
 

texhnolyze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol yeah, I can see that.

But it's kinda weird that it only happened in Judgement, because lots of Japanese actors are already in Yakuza games and the agencies never had a problem with it. I guess it's because Kimutaku is the protagonist here, unlike the other actors who are basically just cameos in Yakuza games.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oh come the fuck on! I wanted to play this

Edit: Some of you ask why the talent agency prevent Sega from publishing the PC version, as I say in the post, the talent company "Johnny's" have a very strict portraiture right policy, they don't want their talents' portraits on "a PC platform that is not a game console platform and connects directly to Internet."

And this is bafflingly stupid. Especially the bolded.
 

Xenosaga

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lol yeah, I can see that.

But it's kinda weird that it only happened in Judgement, because lots of Japanese actors are already in Yakuza games and the agencies never had a problem with it. I guess it's because Kimutaku is the protagonist here, unlike the other actors who are basically just cameos in Yakuza games.
I am not sure if there were other actors from Johnny's that was in Yakuza series, at least as prominent role like Kimutaku.

It's not that he is a top actor in Japan. It's that he is a top actor "that belongs to Johnny's company" that is the issue. Johnny's is weird and strict as fuck.
 

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why not just make a new lead character and keep the Judgement franchise going?
They could, but Kimura is a big deal in Japan. I suppose they'd already made concessions in the first game (like no karaoke stuff because he'd presumably be unbelievably expensive to license for music), and this was just another one.
 

CosmicGP

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Oct 28, 2017
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I don't get it. Are they afriad of people modding or something? What's the difference between pc and console to them?

I mean, I'd believe it, but I'm surprised they'd push through a sequel with Kimura at all then.

I guess because it's still profitable thanks to his face and performance? Maybe they'll try to push another lead character in the sequel in case a third title is viable.
 

overtoncanon

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Mar 14, 2021
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I guess it makes sense from a average japanese person's standpoint. PC gaming is not big at all in japan and to the majority of people there a PC is not viewed as anything more than a work/school device. On top of maybe the talent agency not wanting their actor to have mods that put him in a negative light to occur.
 

texhnolyze

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I am not sure if there were other actors from Johnny's that was in Yakuza series, at least as prominent role like Kimutaku.

It's not that he is a top actor in Japan. It's that he is a top actor "that belongs to Johnny's company" that is the issue. Johnny's is weird and strict as fuck.
Right. Somehow I thought that the likes of Shun Oguri, Hiroki Narimiya, and Takumi Saitoh belong in Johnny's group too. I don't really pay attention to it.
 

Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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overtoncanon

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This is it in my opinion, they fear the nude mods. (which is not negative for me, but hey, i am only the center of my visible universe)
That and I genuinely think the people in these agencies may not even have any clue what steam is based on the way the article writer even describes it within the article. I wouldn't be surprised either that Sega of Japan had a incompetency to explain how pc gaming is basically neck and neck with playstation on a worldwide scale. Unfortunate all around I really enjoyed judgement more so than even yakuza.
 

sredgrin

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is so fucking stupid it has to be real. Nobody could make this shit up.

Like, how do you even make a game these days without considering this sort of thing way ahead of time and realizing it wouldn't be worth it from the get go. This ain't fucking, a stupid licensed song from a game that can out in 2002 or something.
 

Xenosaga

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is the same talent studio that prohibited articles/sites using picture of their talent on the internet previews, so you end up with stuff like this:

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Linus815

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Oct 29, 2017
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thats a massive fucking shame. Both the fact that its not on PC and the fact that the series could be ending because of stupid shit like this.
 

Samiya

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This seems especially ridiculous but not particularly surprising given some of the weird rights and law stuff surrounding stuff like this.
 

jaffaro

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Even if those rumours are true and they can't use actors faces on PC version it doesn't have to mean that they have to end the series. I mean, Yakuza games are known for including multiple protagonists. Couldn't they just swap the characters to include someone who is not bond with some stupid rules?
 

Valcrist

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Even if those rumours are true and they can't use actors faces on PC version it doesn't have to mean that they have to end the series. I mean, Yakuza games are known for including multiple protagonists. Couldn't they just swap the characters to include someone who is not bond with some stupid rules?
If their main guy is gone, might as well just make a new IP and stick to making Yakuza games for a while.
 

EagleClaw

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Dec 31, 2018
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End the series ?
A couple of weeks ago i heard that judgment will be the brawler franchise going forward.

They should have checked the contracts those talents are on.
 

Asklepios

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Oct 28, 2017
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The actor's agency doesn't want his photo on PCs, so the game that made him famous around the world is going to sell less and not have any more sequels?
Huh if I were the actor, idk I would be fighting hard to get away from the dumb people representing him. Jeez
 

jaekeem

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Oct 27, 2017
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why does japan have so many ass backwards laws with regard to intellectual property? good lord
 

marcbret87

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Apr 20, 2018
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" a PC platform that is not a game console platform and connects directly to Internet. "

I can't decide if this is too stupid or, perhaps more likely, there's something lost on translation. Still, what a shame, I like how Yagami looks.
 

Xils

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Feb 4, 2020
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I don't get it. Are they afriad of people modding or something? What's the difference between pc and console to them?
I wouldn't even be surprise if the one making the policy don't know what modding is lol.

I don't think the people enforcing this is even aware of the reason behind this particular policy of the agency and just follow what was written since forever ago that no one bother to change because that's just how it is.
 

Kain-Nosgoth

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Oct 25, 2017
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So they have a right on the judgment serie? If sega wanted to continue it without yagami as an MC (honestly i want that too, yagami is a boring character imo) they couldn't do that?

That sucks... hopefully they'll be able to continue it with a different name
 

Jubern

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Oct 25, 2017
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I 100% believe it and it's really sad.

For people asking why they'd end the series... You can certainly argue that Yakuza is more than just Kiryu's story, but IMO it never proved to work that well before Yakuza 7 which is effectively a reboot they tried very hard to push to newcomers - might as well be a new series for some.

in Judgment's case I feel like the scope is pretty limited: it's effectively a law story/detective spin-off the series with a new character that proved popular.
They may try their hand at another kind of spinoff, but continuing that story of the Genda's Law Office and everyone involved w/o Yagami just wouldn't work.