That's the part where we go from people legitly upset at his personal behavior to people just not getting it at all and being all "He's a nazi i heard to and said he wanted to kick his daughter, what a horrible person i'm not surprised he's a serial rapist"
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Louis C.K. performs another surprise set at the Comedy Cellar
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That's the part where we go from people legitly upset at his personal behavior to people just not getting it at all and being all "He's a nazi i heard to and said he wanted to kick his daughter, what a horrible person i'm not surprised he's a serial rapist"
Bro, what you're doing is a textbook example of "Just asking questions" concern trolling and gaslighting. It's not clever and we all see it.
You can drop the concern trolling now, especially as sexual assault does indeed cover what he did.
So who determines how when and if he is allowed to resume his job? Do we just pick an arbitrary date?
What ever.
For the record I don't feel he should get a pass for this, and would have liked to have seen him prosecuted but "I'm just asking questions".
What's so difficult to understand?
Some actual proof that he's made amends? Perhaps using some of his wealth to support sexual abuse victims, perhaps giving up comedy entirely for a while and dedicating his time to something that proves he cares?
Something, anything that would make his "apology" feel genuine.
All he did was make a statement, hide for a while, and come back like nothing happened.
There is no set rule, but this isn't hard to get.
That's exactly what you're doing though, especially as you have ignored every single attempt from me to show you that sexual assault is a nuanced term and does indeed fit here.
Boy, won't Les Moonves' face be red when he finds out he didn't have to resign after all because the MeToo movement was already over by then!
If he is able to address the situation in a well thought out and heartfelt way when he does a big special again, I'm interested. I could understand not wanting to address the situation constantly in smaller gigs - it would undermine a big apology/set based on his behaviour in a way.
His apology from back then felt pretty introspective, he seemed to get what was wrong about his behaviour and didn't try to paint himself in a better way than what he did.
I still think it's too early for something like this or something bigger like a special. I do not condone what the did in any way. He must have had a pretty warped sense of reality to think the stuff that he did was okay. IF he recognizes that, is willing to change/has changed and addresses the topic clearly enough... The business is known to have a rather short memory. I had to learn to differentiate art from the artist over the last few years and he's still the best talent around when it comes to stand-up imo. I can see myself enjoying another Netflix special at some point in time. Pretty big IF though and has everything to do with how he presents his return to the big stage.
His apology from back then felt pretty introspective, he seemed to get what was wrong about his behaviour and didn't try to paint himself in a better way than what he did.
I still think it's too early for something like this or something bigger like a special. I do not condone what the did in any way. He must have had a pretty warped sense of reality to think the stuff that he did was okay. IF he recognizes that, is willing to change/has changed and addresses the topic clearly enough... The business is known to have a rather short memory. I had to learn to differentiate art from the artist over the last few years and he's still the best talent around when it comes to stand-up imo. I can see myself enjoying another Netflix special at some point in time. Pretty big IF though and has everything to do with how he presents his return to the big stage.
That's not... what are you even on about? That's not how anything works. First of all I don't think anyone here is treating what he did as a joke, quite the opposite in my case, I've been saying that making it a bit is a supremely bad idea from a moral point of view, and that's without even going into what a stupid choice it would be professionally.
Secondly, who decides what job he can still do? Is that part of the law, that if you commit a crime you can no longer do the work you're famous for? Or is it just what you'd like to be the case? So if he shouldn't be allowed to be a comedian any more, should he be allowed to still do voice work? Can he be a plumber?
There are three groups who get to decide what he does next.
1) His victims. They had the right to speak out and if they choose, they have the right to make this a legal matter and see him punished by...
2) The Law. He's as much as admitted everything and a case against him would probably be open and shut at this point.
3) His audience. It's up to them if they can stomach his material, and they'll be able to vote with their wallet. They can boo him when he shows up unannounced to work on new material, they can walk out, they can avoid anything he works in. I'd like to point out that I can't even bring myself to watch his old stuff, as much as he made me laugh back then his material is tainted by what we know about him as a person and I sure as shit won't be seeing any new special he puts out, but that's me, that's the decision I made, and I'm not making that decision for anyone else, and neither should you.
I imagine he is going to address the situation at some point. Remember he is going just doing sets in clubs, just stretching out. Its like a disgraced football player going down to the 5 a side court for a kick around.
Theres no way he will be able to go back on TV or on tour without first addressing it.
Theres no way he will be able to go back on TV or on tour without first addressing it.
That user's concern trolling is transparent at this point. Best to ignore their posts from here on in.
Jesus some of you guys really don't give a shit about women.
"Is it really fair that he can never be a massively wealthy and powerful celebrity any more?"
Yes it is. He can get a job bagging groceries or some other position where he will have no fame or power over other people. Bye.
"Is it really fair that he can never be a massively wealthy and powerful celebrity any more?"
Yes it is. He can get a job bagging groceries or some other position where he will have no fame or power over other people. Bye.
All I'm saying is he apologized publicly and apparently privately to these women but you have determined that was not satisfactory. I just get the impression you believe his actions are irredeemable and be should never be allowed to rejoin society, which is fine. I mean that's the mentality that led to us having one of the highest incarceration rates in the world . I just disagree with it.
Except he actually admitted it. So the lesson to be learned here is:
- Violently masturbate in front of as many women as you want
- Write and publish an apology
- Wait a year
- Go back to your daily routine
It is nuanced, and I'm not 100% sure it applies here, even though you are. But if you guys want to jump on me like I'm concern trolling or in support of him that's your purgative. And if this is how you want to have a dialogue who someone agrees with 95% of what you're saying good luck with those who don't. I have never once insulted anyone I was talking to in this thread but I have been accused of supporting a sexual hassar and being disingenuous in my concern. I'm not coming at this from an emotional point of view and maybe some of you are, but god damn its frustrating having people assign points of view to you when its completely false.
Fuck off with this stupid bullshit where you equate America incarcerating black people due to racism with a white guy not getting to be a popular and famous comedian any more. No one is entitled to be a rich celebrity and his abuse of women should preclude him from that forever.
He should retire. Really gross when you consider what you consider what he did and what his career is based on. His wife made the right choice to divorce him and get their daughters the hell out of there.
I said he's treating it as a joke by being like "I've been away I needed a break".
I think a man who exposes himself and masturbates in front of women, then forces them into silence should not be a celebrated comedian. His actions would get anyone else fired or arrested. I know he can do what he wants and I know people are free to enjoy his content and forgive him. Because that's what's happening, and you consider it a good thing.
Hollywood Reporter audio from the beginning and end of his set make it sound like people enjoyed it.
It's not satisfactory, no. And it's not just his specific victims to consider here. The entire #metoo movement gets shat on when a person like this simply takes a little break and returns like nothing happened. The message this sends to victims of sexual assault and abuse is that men like this get away with it.
My posts clearly show that I don't think his actions are irredeemable as I literally listed ways in which he could prrove he wants to actually make amends, so you just didn't read them?
And it's been explained to you why your approach caused an emotional response, and you should be able to accept your part in that without playing the victim.
You can come back, Louis. You just have to address what you did and it has to be funny...and incredibly honest. Anything less and you can just stay away.
I'm not a victim, but I know damn sure I would have been banned If I responded in kind to the responses I got.
You're absolutely playing the victim. No one has responded to you in a ban worthy way ITT, so no you would not have been banned unless you escalated it.
I don't consider it good or bad, I consider it the decisions of people who aren't me. It's up to them if they want to watch him, I certainly don't.
The problem is you ARE concern trolling and gas lighting, and you're still doing it.
Edit: it happens all the time here. Someone concern trolls and gas lights, complains that someone else wasn't banned for insulting them, has a melt down about how unfair it is and how they're the victim and the resetera echo chamber is in full force, so much for the tolerant left, etc. I dunno why anyone thinks they're being clever with this shit.
I rounded up, but yeah, he couldn't even wait a whole year before getting back into the game.
He's learned nothing. I'm sure the vast majority of people who have those accusations behind them have learned nothing since (Cosby, Weinstein, etc.) but they also don't make light about it. Or if they do, they definitely don't go out and make light about it unprovoked.
It is, I missed that, and its good you controlled yourself. Still, when you approach a subject like this the way you did and there could be actual victims of assault in the thread, or people who know a victim, or people who just care about this a lot, etc... and when there is SO much concern trolling, and dog whistles, and actual ill intent hid behind "just asking questions", I don't think you should be upset by that personally.
And your posts do come across almost entirely as concern trolling, not sure how you can't see this.
You approached this a little insensitively and got an emotional response, if I were you I'd say "my bad" and duck out of that particular thread.
Im disingenuous in my concern so how is it concern trolling. Im 100% honest in my fear that people will tune out what he did.
Nah, fuck your transparent ass routine. Concern trolling bullshit.
As someone with a background in IT, this feels like he's beta testing. He has no idea when or if he can ever do the thing he's good at again, so he just keeps trying new material and he'll probably try different approaches to his set until he feels like he has it figured out. And obviously he has to do surprise, secret sets or his audience will be packed with people who are there for the story and not for the material.
He'll probably do a really bad job of it for a while and we're probably going to hear of these surprise gigs off and on for a while as well.
He'll probably do a really bad job of it for a while and we're probably going to hear of these surprise gigs off and on for a while as well.
People getting mad he didn't address it, or didn't apologize good enough, or it hasn't been long enough... just be honest... you want him to disappear. Nothing would be good enough to you.
Louis is a pervert. We pretty much knew that before the allegations. He addressed it, and did a few sets at a place know for people coming on unannounced doing sets.
The audio shows the crowd was pretty stoked about it all.
Louis is a pervert. We pretty much knew that before the allegations. He addressed it, and did a few sets at a place know for people coming on unannounced doing sets.
The audio shows the crowd was pretty stoked about it all.
Focus on a tiny sub-group and make it seem like its the actual news instead of an outlier.
False. I want him to acknowledge it. I don't want him to go away. He's funny and a great writer. Better Things is one of my favorite shows, and it's due in large part to his and Adlon's writing and directing.
The thread exists in the way it does because people are rightly pissed he seems to have made no actual amends and is just returning like nothing happens and is being applauded while doing so.
Nobody is tuning out what he did obviously. You're just trying to gas light people after you made a gross comment about what he did not technically being sexual assault.
Louis C.K.'s style of comedy requires a level of performative authenticity that acknowledges his virtues and failings as part of his material as a way of establishing a rapport with the audience. Unannounced bits at comedy clubs are one thing, nobody is buying those tickets for Louis, but he's never going to get past this professionally if he can't work what he's done into the autobiographical narrative of his material. It would shatter the illusion he's spent years crafting.
Just be honest, you haven't actually read the thread.
People have literally proved your post wrong, they're not saying he can't return EVER, they're saying that his return after such a brief hiatus with no amends on show, like nothing happened, is not acceptable.
And it wasn't just allegations, it happened. He admitted it.
This person sexually abused women, and abused his position of power to silence them. If he were not famous he would have probably seen prison time, but he is and he's rich so he gets to just make a statement saying he's sorry, hide for a bit, and come back to applause.
I don't know how you think this is acceptable.
Glad to know that getting entertained by one man is more important to you than women being safe.