I thought sexual assault had to involve touching?So the women he sexually assaulted are just going to get over it? I see...
Sexual abuse ruins lives mate, so does abusing your position of power to silence your victims.
What is wrong with you?
I thought sexual assault had to involve touching?So the women he sexually assaulted are just going to get over it? I see...
Sexual abuse ruins lives mate, so does abusing your position of power to silence your victims.
What is wrong with you?
What?You're really going to excuse what he did because it doesn't fit your definition of sexual assault. Man, fuck you
"Louis C.K. performed a surprise set — again — at the Comedy Cellar on Sunday. One audience member told me: "I talked to a few women sitting near me afterwards, and they described a similar sense of tenuous discomfort, like, 'Is it OK to laugh at this?'""
https://twitter.com/ohheyjenna/status/1046915740325044224
So they wanted to laugh, but felt like they needed to be offended?
I was honestly asking because I wasn't sure if what he did fell into that category. Words matter and if you throw around the wrong term it gives people the chance to discredit a valid argument.
How bout you ask next time before telling someone fuck you?
How bout you ask next time before telling someone fuck you?
I wasn't sure if what he did fell into that category. No need for you to be an ass because I asked a question.
I was honestly asking because I wasn't sure if what he did fell into that category. Words matter and if you throw around the wrong term it gives people the chance to discredit a valid argument.
Like how much damage was done to the Me Too movement by tying the Aziz incident into it?
If that's how you feel fine, but I do see the danger in calling something the wrong thing because people who want to downplay what he did will take any thread to try and pull apart your argument.While words do matter, in this context there's really no point quibbling about them. Calling it assault or harassment doesn't change what he did in anyway.
Sexual abuse is sexual abise. He expose hkmself to women and had his people suppressed their voices and effectively shut down their careers by having them blacklisted in certain circles.
He ruined thier lives, fucked their careers, and seems to be making a comeback without even attempting to make amends.
I wonder what would have happened if they got him to play Kavanaugh.
And you cant even apologize...….And I don't see why it matters what "category" this sex pest falls into.
So the women he sexually assaulted are just going to get over it? I see...
Sexual abuse ruins lives mate, so does abusing your position of power to silence your victims.
What is wrong with you?
If that's how you feel fine, but I do see the danger in calling something the wrong thing because people who want to downplay what he did will take any thread to try and pull apart your argument.
The National Center for Victims of Crime states:[5]
" Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent.
Do you know that THESE women's lives were ruined? That's quite a definitive statement to throw around.
And you cant even apologize...….
I would respond in kind but with my luck I would be banned.\
And I didn't do that. You can keep your half assed apology because I know you don't mean it by still trying to insult me while giving it.Anyone who's more interested in the 'technical' term for what he did is only interested in downplaying his actions and probably can't wait for him to be back on stage. If that genuinely wasn't your intent, I apologise for being blunt. But I still see no value in your discussion when what he did was unquestionably terrible and he absolutely doesn't deserve this redemption arc people are giving him.
They'll do anything to believe they're not the bad guys by still being fans of terrible humansHow the fuck do you people always manage to frame things this particular way.
And I didn't do that. You can keep your half assed apology because I know you don't mean it by still trying to insult me while giving it.
No they don't.
I thought he addressed it?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true
Confused by this thread.
I thought he addressed it?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true
Confused by this thread.
Sexual abuse ruins lives.
People abusing positions of power to silence victims ruins lives.
You can stop now.
Yes but with all that has unfolded an audience has the right to know if one of the comedians they will be watching that evening is Louis CK wouldn't you say?
I thought he addressed it?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true
Confused by this thread.
Didn't he ask for permission? I'm not condoning what he did, but asking permission is more than most of the creeps in Hollywood did.You're really going to excuse what he did because it doesn't fit your definition of sexual assault. Man, fuck you
"Yeah I did it. So what?" isn't an appropriate response to sexually harassing someone and then kneecapping their career to keep them from talking.I thought he addressed it?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true
Confused by this thread.
Technically yes. To anyone with half a brain, no.Didn't he ask for permission? I'm not condoning what he did, but asking permission is more than most of the creeps in Hollywood did.
You know, this unilateral attitude is why Louis CK is able to do his stand up now. If there is no dialog to be had about what transpired then there's absolutely no reason to talk about it and either you want to see Louis CK perform or you don't. Now the dialog is once again about Louis CK and the women fade into the background.
And I posted why I was concerned about the terms used. The Me Too movement basically was neutered because of how the Aziz situation was handled. Women didn't even agree what he did fell under the umbrella of what it was trying to accomplish. You said earlier that why should you care about people who get hung up on these small things? Well those people make up the majority, and the best way to see that victims receive justice and support is to have everyone onboard. Because if you give someone an inch they will take a mile. Its an emotional issue but the best way to get things moving in the right direction is to not lead with emotion. Otherwise you end up alienating people who agree with you.Your posts ITT came across as worrying more about technical terms than the harm caused to the victims.
I'm sure you can understand why people had a emotional response to that, especially when conversations like this are always full of dogwhistles and "just asking questions".
And I posted why I was concerned about the terms used. The Me Too movement basically was neutered because of how the Aziz situation was handled. Women didn't even agree what he did fell under the umbrella of what it was trying to accomplish. You said earlier that why should you care about people who get hung up on these small things? Well those people make up the majority, and the best way to see that victims receive justice and support is to have everyone onboard. Because if you give someone an inch they will take a mile. Its an emotional issue but the best way to get things moving in the right direction is to not lead with emotion. Otherwise you end up alienating people who agree with you.
So what if he addressed it?
He wasn't punished beside having got take a brief hiatus from the spotlight, he didn't have to make amends, and now he gets to make a come back like what he did had no impact.
You really can't understand the problem here?
Matt Damon wasn't exactly squeaky clean either, dude caped for Casey Affleck and has said Louis CK should be forgiven.I wonder what would have happened if they got him to play Kavanaugh.
Didn't he ask for permission? I'm not condoning what he did, but asking permission is more than most of the creeps in Hollywood did.
Contrition. But as usual it's nowhere to be found.According to that article he apologized to at least one of the women privately. What exactly are you looking for? I guess I am not familiar with the exact allegations but regardless he admitted they were true. If he did something illegal he would have been prosecuted legally.
According to that article he apologized to at least one of the women privately. What exactly are you looking for? I guess I am not familiar with the exact allegations but regardless he admitted they were true. If he did something illegal he would have been prosecuted legally.
I really feel you aren't understanding what I'm trying to get at. But ill leave it at this. There is a large group of people who will downplay what he did if you try to label it as assault. Which will just speed up his return to the public. Just call it sexual abuse and because it sticks better.He literally exposed himself to vulnerable women, then tried to silence their voices. The Aziz example has nothing to do with this clear cut case of sexual abuse.
And sexual assault covers what he did too, so this entire conversation is pointless really