Between a gossip pair and messenger, I'd say the messenger is the most likely to be scum between the two. What benefit would a town messenger even provide in a game like this?
You're still here today and can give me plenty to make my reads evolve. At that time yesterday though, something needed to happen, and a slot that has been coasting and getting called out by multiple people? Sure, I'll throw a vote that way and see what the reactions are to it. The fact that hardly anyone joined that vote, but plenty were down to join SkyChuggs when I moved there, could be a valuable data point for us if we end up with more information.
What does this mean? It means nothing, spill it, more likely than not you will be wrong anyway.
np bro
Unless I missed something, it's not? I was mainly agreeing with your point but the second part of that post came at it from a different angle. Misdirection is part of it sure, but I'm considering the general utility and that's why I don't see in such a role aligned with town.
Why did you say to doggo "reveal messengers", but when YOU have info you say "IF majority agrees we will".
Bae and malus have insisted on voting as a block even when their lack of timezone alignment made this a detriment. But look at their reads side by side:
They are not actually coordinated at all. And Bae's reads leave so many holes it looks like she's trying to do cross-stitch. She has so many scum reads, but few are particularly strong. The read on us and Brazil and Flux literally has all possible options in it, and she would vote Coolest/LP despite the double. I remember noticing that yesterday and thinking - are these reads outdated? How weird. But she was a claimed PR and I had chosen not to look at her so I didn't think about it. I should have thought about it.
Next post: her reads.
I mean, I wouldn't give it too much credit. Except for the fact that zippedpinhead did actually slip up like that in power rangers mafia. Dr. Monkey was there with me as part of scum team as we tried to deal with that and figure out whether or not to cover for zipped or vote for him.
With misdirection I obviously meant they were scum that were misdirecting and not town. Why would town misdirect on purpose?
Nope, this is what you said previously. "It may give town more info since we can then look and analyze the players and if they are townie, we cut down the amount of possible scum."
Meh tbh, Zipped thing wasn't a slip imo. Fanto could go either way, Null to maybe scum lean, still wouldn't be my second choice though.
I'm not trying to pocket them at all because I'm town. If our situations were reversed and they were on the chopping block, I'd vouch for them as town (I've said as much time and time again); I'm not looking for anything in return. Jesus.
I'll let Zipped respond about his vote, I don't want to put words in his mouth.
Is there some reason we can't wait a bit and see what everyone thinks on this? Because that's my position.
If I'm being honest, and this is completely mechanical, seeing the cop duo have only one shot felt kind of off to me? I can see a world where Bae was lying, and it would be as simple as saying X is town and fabricating it as scum because they know the pair are. But, that's seperate from your situation.
Hey, when you're right, you're right. Dr.Stu does have to go because there's so much circumstantial shit on their head that I can't see us convincingly going any other way. They're always going to be a point of contention going forward and I do not want to keep going back to it during the day.There are many reasons why I think Monkey is Scum, too many to fit into a single post.
Both she and Stu have exhibited an attitude of being above any and all scum reads on them. Anyone that mentions them as being scummy is immediately dismissed and any concern is thrown away.
This is something that Brazil touched on when looking back on D1 specifically, and I agree with him here:
And it's something I still found quite a bit of when looking at D2.
This last one in particular, frankly, and with no personal disrespect intended, I don't really give a shit if Monkey would feel insulted at being scum read early in a game. If she's Scum, she's Scum. Period. That's a bad argument based solely on her ego. There is absolutely no reason to believe it would be impossible for someone to correctly scum read Monkey based on the first few hours of a game. Zero.
And then another interaction here with Brazil below, which I have to say I side with Brazil again here.
And then a few more still.
This has all been a very concerted effort by the two of them to make sure everyone thinks of them as a bad lynch and that any scum reads on them are terrible and not worth entertaining. This reads as very over the top to me. Being defensive is one thing, hand-waving away every concern made about them is on a whole other level though.
Now, let's move on to some more Monkey things.
Something I have seen Scum Monkey do regularly is make "helpful" posts about how other people should go about solving the game and how to go about scum hunting. This is mind poison, because she could actually be Scum and does not want actual Scum to be found, so no one should be listening to her in-game when she does this.
A few examples, though I'm sure there are many more, but I don't want to have 100 quotes in this post:
Her read list below troubled me in more ways than one:
There is an entire section devoted to casting doubt on the claimed cops. Says that if Sorian is Town then they are probably Scum because of one post that Bae made about Sorian, and then of course wants to continue the "she fake claimed Cop as Scum last time so she is obviously Scum again" narrative, which is full of shit. It's possible, but it ultimately means nothing.
Her refusal to read Natiko and I is very troubling to me. I don't see what is so difficult about putting reads on us when she is able to put reads on everyone else in the game.
Also, look at how many times she was insistent that her reads would change "if Sorian is Town" as if she already knew this was what the outcome would be.
There was a metric shit ton of shade piled on to Sorian throughout the day that it would be impossible for me to quote it all and show how ridiculously noisy it all was, but I'm sure anyone who read the thread yesterday or reread it overnight is well aware. I'm also sure anyone here who has played with Sorian in the past is also well aware of how easy it is to get in an argument with him about literally anything, probably 10x easier when your name is Dr. Monkey.
Finally, at EoD, I found it concerning that Monkey decided to push this narrative along about the supposed "slip" even though she did not place a vote there. Now of course, this only applies to me for now since I already know that was not a slip because I know Zipped and I are Town, but it still looks shady to me and if we should die before Monkey, then I would like people to remember this so I want to get my thoughts down on that.
And then when I make a note of this, suddenly she's surprised and acts like she's had no part of this brewing narrative!
Monkey is a very smart player, I wouldn't expect her to suddenly fall for such a weak-ass observation like that, and she has also wanted Sorian dead for 2 straight day phases. Suddenly a supposed "slip" is established in the last hour of the day by her hugest Scum read, Sorian, trying to get votes off of him. Her response? "Hmmm, good point, biggest enemy! Let me just add on to this for you over my next several posts so maybe you don't die today." She would love to get another day of scum reading Sorian and arguing with him over trivial bullshit, so she'd be perfectly fine if Town decides to believe in this "slip" suddenly and swap all of their votes. She was being manipulative and infecting the thread with her mind poison, as she does when she is Scum.
Vote: Dr. Monkey
No, your words. "Scum knows the thieves, town except Geno/us does not". Give me 1 reason not to out them right now to give town some info that scum already have. You know why? Because you are scum, because you don't know the identity and don't want to throw a name out there because you are waiting for me/Bae to say so you know who to kill.
Most likely one of the afk's, I have time to think since I don't think I'll be moving from you.
I think it's a plausible theory but there isn't any more proof that she is right than there is that she is wrong about it from what I can tell. It is hinging on Bae's general behavior and her reads not being that great from what I can tell.
Tbh I don't have the mental energy right now to analyze or even read so I will get to them later.
Possibly, but I didn't necessarily scum read Sorian. He was aloof in a way that I didn't think Scum would be. And like I said, Zipped seemed to be joking in that post. Calling it a slip is a stretch.
I'm so sorry man, I hope she pulls through.
You can if you want. I will post the clues I left about their identity. I can also point to another clue. But they could have outed themselves and didn't which makes me think maybe they don't agree with you.
1st of all if you 2 could so easily pinpoint who they were because of these clues then mafia has already done this.
