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LTTP: Final Fantasy 15....what is happening in this story?

Oct 27, 2017
7,260
#52
This is a game where, basically six months before release, according to a 4chan leaker who leaked the entire plot, the story was in disarray with constant rewrites. All those flashback scenes? They were created late in development, and they didn't really know what to do with them so they just stuck them wherever they'd fit. I know games go off the rails sometimes. But FFXV was really, really, really off the rails.

Also, yes, JARED. Freaking Jared. Everything wrong with FFXV's approach to story and utterly disconnected narrative arcs can be summed up with Jared.

It's crazy how much better Omen was than the actual game. Final Fantasy XV was a game badly in need of a complete reboot. And possibly being handed off to a completely different studio. It shouldn't have been in development for so long with such fundamental structural problems and a lack of narrative direction afflicting it.
 
Oct 26, 2017
860
#53
The only good story part is the last few chapters.

Everything else is omitted and you couldn't help but feel it's to rush the game / budget cuts. All those awesome things in trailers aren't in the game. The invasion of Insomnia in the beginning becomes a newspaper article for crying out loud.

There's no build up. You just hear about major events in the background. You get random setpieces thrown around.
 
Oct 28, 2017
471
#54
When even the fucking collector's edition case shows a scene that’s not even in the final game but a trailer ... you know the game is beyond saving.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,651
#55
sad thing is FFXV at its core arguably has the most affecting story in an FF game in a long time. but the whole thing is just minced and scrambled and reassembled into the slapdash narrative it is

if you can kind of put your brain on autopilot it's not so bad.
 
Oct 30, 2017
1,966
Kuwait
#56
The story in FFXV and the way it was told is without a doubt the biggest lost potential ever lost in a game.

Just remembering the way it was written and directed makes me very upset...
 
Oct 27, 2017
381
United States
#57
The story is a hot mess and is all over the place. When you need an anime, a movie, several different reading materials and a art book to fully comprehend what the main story is, you fucked up somewhere.

Also OP, pay attention to those fairytale books you find around the world, they're actually incredibly important to a character's motivation and the plot.
 
Feb 5, 2018
903
#58
Its hot fucking trash littered with like two good scenes. My hatred towards the game just seems to grow and grow as time passes..

Oh... and wait till you get to the Leviathan fight. I always thought to myself "it cant possibly be as bad as people say." Let me tell you, it is. It is worse than what people tell you.

And in the later chapters you get to fight the hardest boss fight in the series: corridors. Its not that the segment is hard, its just the most tedious 2 hour copy pasted corridor segment you have ever "experienced."
 
Mar 18, 2018
130
#59
When you leave in high tech world where everyone has mobiles and as such and you learn about the
attack on your country's capital and your father death
from a fckn newspaper, then you know the story is shit
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,787
#63
Lol I love how they didnt explain at all what touching those stupid stones were for and then randomly you can summon.

I'm trying to imagine how things could get that much worse because I seriously have no idea what is happening besides two countries at war
Not only that, but a lot of plot points make no sense.
If you don't care about the battle system, my advice is to quit and save precious time for better game lol.
 
Oct 27, 2017
846
#64
The transition to the "where's our car" scenario right after the Titan fight is hilariously jarring.

No joke, I literally thought that the game had gone into a parallel universe or the whole Titan fight was a dream or something because the character's reactions just didn't make a single lick of sense.
 
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Oct 31, 2017
3,264
#65
Its hot fucking trash littered with like two good scenes. My hatred towards the game just seems to grow and grow as time passes..

Oh... and wait till you get to the Leviathan fight. I always thought to myself "it cant possibly be as bad as people say." Let me tell you, it is. It is worse than what people tell you.

And in the later chapters you get to fight the hardest boss fight in the series: corridors. Its not that the segment is hard, its just the most tedious 2 hour copy pasted corridor segment you have ever "experienced."
LMAOOO I love this post. I had the same reaction with Leviathan (and all of Chapter 9, really). I couldn't believe this was the "epic midpoint" of the game.
 
Jun 10, 2018
263
#66
Till this day, i still don't get it. I get the gist of it but there are still so many holes in the story that anything could have hapoened really.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,474
Canada
#71
My favourite thing in this stupid mess of a game is Noctis and Luna communicating through writing notes through magic dog messengers despite cell phones existing in this world
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,838
#73
Don't worry about it. Just sit back, relax, and let the best Final Fantasy, by some on this forum's estimation (not me!), wash over you. It's a wild, 40 hour ride of complete nonsense and fucky combat.
 

Keym

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,017
#74
BUT IT WILL MAKE SENSE

If you read the light novel, watch the YouTube miniseries, sit down for the prologue and theatrical movie, get the demo, grab the DLC, and play the game again 2 years later for more scenes. >___>
The fact that this isn't a joke makes me sad. :(
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,303
#75
The story really suffers from it being open world. I know you can do open world stories well, if the story centres around meeting new people and new places; but FFXVs story is not about that. It’s pure plot. The only important characters you meet are the playable characters. As a result any kind of build up in tension is killed by the open world structure.
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,551
#76
Were the wounds Gladius suffered ever explained? In his DLC maybe?
You know that's right!
-_-

I think my main problem is that the main group are so unimportant to everything else that's going on, and it's really bizarre. You just happen to stumble into the plot, almost like the bit on Forest Gump where he's going into all the key real life moments.
 
Nov 15, 2018
116
#78
Final Fantasy XV´s plot is a hot mess; a prime example of bad patchwork. Holy moly, I was never more disappointed in my entire life when it comes to media. Seriously, just thinking about the game again makes me ANGRY haha

I have played the vanilla version back in Dec. 2016 btw. And that infamous chapter 13 made me cry, no joke. I was sitting in front of my TV when all of a sudden my eyes started to get wet out of frustration lmao

OP, ignore the story and everything around it. As you say there cleary is great potential there but it is wasted so hard, it´s mind-boggling.
 
Oct 27, 2017
879
#80
You know that's right!
-_-

I think my main problem is that the main group are so unimportant to everything else that's going on, and it's really bizarre. You just happen to stumble into the plot, almost like the bit on Forest Gump where he's going into all the key real life moments.
Come on now, Noctis is unimportant? Group exist as companions that share the same misadventures, but the plot revolves all around Noctis and that's clear from the very beginning.
 
#81
Unfortunately, this is the reality of modern Final Fantasy storytelling, i.e. a fragmented, incoherent mess.

If I have to watch a 2hr movies and some anime shorts in order to have enough context to have a chance at understanding the story in your game then you dun goofed, Square Enix....!

Square needs to give FF to a fresh crop of new, young games directors and writers. The existing guys have entirely lost their mojo from their FF6/7/8/9/10 days.

Last gen I suspected it was a problem with Japanese games in general, but the incredible titles we've had from other Japanese devs so far this gen have only gone to prove how fucking useless FF-writers now currently are.
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,551
#82
Come on now, Noctis is unimportant? Group exist as companions that share the same misadventures, but the plot revolves all around Noctis and that's clear from the very beginning.
Luna is probably more important than Noctis until the time skip/last hour of the game, and she's already done almost everything you do by the time you get to her, then gets killed minutes later. Until that point, the gang is just playing catch up, while getting sidetracked with stuff that doesn't really matter. After the Leviathan fight, Noctis starts to actually feel like the main focus of the story.
 
Nov 8, 2017
320
#83
Every now and then I think to myself maybe I should give FFXV a shot and then a thread like this one pops up and I read about the story being a hot mess (and story is pretty much what drives me to play Final Fantasy) and I think maybe not.
 
Oct 28, 2017
10,915
#84
This is a game where, basically six months before release, according to a 4chan leaker who leaked the entire plot, the story was in disarray with constant rewrites. All those flashback scenes? They were created late in development, and they didn't really know what to do with them so they just stuck them wherever they'd fit. I know games go off the rails sometimes. But FFXV was really, really, really off the rails.

Also, yes, JARED. Freaking Jared. Everything wrong with FFXV's approach to story and utterly disconnected narrative arcs can be summed up with Jared.

It's crazy how much better Omen was than the actual game. Final Fantasy XV was a game badly in need of a complete reboot. And possibly being handed off to a completely different studio. It shouldn't have been in development for so long with such fundamental structural problems and a lack of narrative direction afflicting it.
Omen is frankly terribad and even though I'm not a fan of FF15, we definitely got a better game than whatever this edgemaster trailer was about.
 
Nov 1, 2017
2,518
#85
Yeah the CG movie is mandatory viewing to even begin to understand the awful story. It's basically the intro cutscene to the game.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,418
#87
They put a huge portion of their story in a separate cgi movie.
What insane mental hoops does a developer have to jump through to think this was a good idea?
 
Oct 27, 2017
879
#88
Every now and then I think to myself maybe I should give FFXV a shot and then a thread like this one pops up and I read about the story being a hot mess (and story is pretty much what drives me to play Final Fantasy) and I think maybe not.
You should really play it yourself. Main story can be completed in just 20-25 hours
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,869
#89
Every now and then I think to myself maybe I should give FFXV a shot and then a thread like this one pops up and I read about the story being a hot mess (and story is pretty much what drives me to play Final Fantasy) and I think maybe not.
You shouldn't because it's a bad game really bad not good
 
Nov 2, 2017
1,805
Norway
#90
Yeah about the story..
It's .. inconsistent. Even with watching the movie I had problems following it and many parts didn't make sense.

BUT. The last part of it is good enough for me and I enjoyed the game + the gang quite a bit and I do not regret playing it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,488
#91
Every now and then I think to myself maybe I should give FFXV a shot and then a thread like this one pops up and I read about the story being a hot mess (and story is pretty much what drives me to play Final Fantasy) and I think maybe not.
Doesn't help that I also don't think the game is enjoyable to even play. Coupled with an incoherent story, this game is one of the worst I've played in recent years.
 
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metalslimer
Oct 25, 2017
2,156
#93
Lmao praise be to Jared, just starting up chapter 6

Edit oh god this stealth mission is horrendous
 
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Oct 27, 2017
500
#96
Man just wait until party members start to go off on their own 1 by 1 and come back an hour / 2 hours later with a new scar and NOTHING is talked about / explained regarding their absence unless you play the DLC. And then also try and remember that we didn't get the DLC until months and months after many of us already completed the game. And then remember that the final chapter of the game was literally changed with the Royal edition (same ending, but the lead up to it was significantly changed).

What a fucking mess.
 
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metalslimer
Oct 25, 2017
2,156
#97
Man just wait until party members start to go off on their own 1 by 1 and come back an hour / 2 hours later with a new scar and NOTHING is talked about / explained regarding their absence unless you play the DLC. And then also try and remember that we didn't get the DLC until months and months after many of us already completed the game. And then remember that the final chapter of the game was literally changed with the Royal edition (same ending, but the lead up to it was significantly changed).

What a fucking mess.
I just had gladio leave "to take care of business". It was so random that I assumed they added it with the DLC and it was different before...
 
Oct 27, 2017
500
#98
I just had gladio leave "to take care of business". It was so random that I assumed they added it with the DLC and it was different before...
Nah that's literally what happened in the main game months before the Gladio DLC was added in. In fact, even if you have the DLC, the Gladio portion was never added in to the base game. You'll have to know beforehand to exit back to the main menu and play the DLC separately yourself, or finish the game and play the DLC later afterwards.
 
Feb 8, 2018
3,275
#99
Speaking of Gladiolus and missing content, does the game itself ever tell you what happened to his dad, or would you have to watch the movie? I'm pretty sure neither Gladio nor Iris mention their dad at all in the main game, which just really grinds my gears. Most people agree that the camaraderie between the bros is the best part of XV, but I can't get into it because the bros themselves feel hollow. Ignis has an uncle, and I have no idea what happened to him. And then there's Prompto.

So it all goes back to Jared; I have nothing against butlers, but I'm pretty sure most people would be at least mention their dead dad, instead of solely their butler. It don't make no sense to me.