LTTP: The pig episode of black mirror

[Krejlooc]

So I just started watching black mirror and I want to talk about the first episode. Namely, how realistic that situation was. I've been reading old discussions about the episode, and I've seen many people posit that it could happen, and pointing to David Cameron's fraternity initiation ritual as proof. but I still don't see this episode as in any way plausible.

Firstly, nobody seem to bat an eye that the price being paid for saving the princess is actual rape. That alone is enough to make me dismiss the plot outright. No matter how loved a princess is, I don't believe society would ever force a man to be raped by a pig, let alone as part of a terrorist plot. With contrast to what happened to David Cameron, that was supposed to be a private induction. And yes, in private, I think people can be coaxed into doing outrageous things. But I don't think society would ever expect or force a man to be raped by a pig to save another person's life. I just don't believe that could happen.

The other episodes of the show have been more thought provoking to me in the situations they present. They seem more realistic. But that first episode? C'mon.

 

[BocoDragon]

Remember when North Korea hacked Sony, exposed their personal emails, and forced a movie out of theatres? I think there's an analogy somewhere in that episode.

 

[Krejlooc]

Remember when North Korea hacked Sony and forced a movie out of theatres? I think there's an analogy somewhere in that episode.

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An analogy so strained it loses all meaning

 

[Quick Mustard]

Raped by a pig? Don’t you mean that’s what he did to the pig?

 

[Camwi]

The only thing that seemed unrealistic to me was that the streets were completely empty when it was happening.

 

[BossAttack]

Well, we don't view animals on the same level as humans. I think many would say that raping a pig is a minor price to pay for saving a innocent human's life. I just don't think any politician would ever do it, especially since it would involve giving into a terrorists demands which ops up a whole other door.

 

[Krejlooc]

Raped by a pig? Don’t you mean that’s what he did to the pig?

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..he wasn't willing. He was forced to have sex with the pig against his will. He raped by a pig. You do understand that men can be raped, right?

 

[subpar spatula]

Plenty of incels would take up that challenge to save the Princess.

 

[Hollywood Duo]

Episode is trash. Among the plethora of reasons its not believable is how did this one random guy outsmart the authorities. He was just some random craftsmen or something?

 

[It’s Reyn Time!]

The whole point of the episode is that he’s not forced to, he makes the choice to subject himself to that in the chance that it’ll save a life. It’s exploring the point where outside pressure meets a selfless sacrifice.

 

[Gustaf]

..he wasn't willing. He was forced to have sex with the pig against his will. He raped by a pig. You do understand that men can be raped, right?

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i mean, the pig wasnt willing either

 

[Krejlooc]

Well, we don't view animals on the same level as humans. I think many would say that raping a pig is a minor price to pay for saving a innocent human's life. I just don't think any politician would ever do it, especially since it would involve giving into a terrorists demands which ops up a whole other door.

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He was raped. The price paid was that HE was raped by a pig. I don't think it's anywhere near realistic to expect a person to be raped to save another person's life. I don't think society would allow that.

 

[Krejlooc]

The whole point of the episode is that he’s not forced to, he makes the choice to subject himself to that in the chance that it’ll save a life. It’s exploring the point where outside pressure meets a selfless sacrifice.

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He absolutely is forced to. They make the not so subtle threat that if he doesn't go through with it, the party won't guarantee his safety.

 

[Hollywood Duo]

The whole point of the episode is that he’s not forced to, he makes the choice to subject himself to that in the chance that it’ll save a life. It’s exploring the point where outside pressure meets a selfless sacrifice.

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He doesn't make the choice. He is 100% forced. He says he won't do it and then his handlers essentially blackmail him.

 

[Quick Mustard]

..he wasn't willing. He was forced to have sex with the pig against his will. He raped by a pig. You do understand that men can be raped, right?

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Alright calm down, no need to be snarky. Was merely asking a question.

 

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Silly post made in haste, removed to stop any more reactions/derailing posts. I've clarified my thoughts below

 

[BossAttack]

He was raped. The price paid was that HE was raped by a pig. I don't think it's anywhere near realistic to expect a person to be raped to save another person's life. I don't think society would allow that.

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I mean, the pig was also raped. So, like I guess technically you can also say the PM was also rape since it wasn't of his free consent either. But again, I think many would still consider that a small price to pay to save a person's life.

He ultimately made the decision to stick his willy in a pig. He wasn't pinned down while they forced the pig on him. He's the rapist.

Plus, pigs can't give consent. People can (and he did)

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Not really, this is a classic case of duress. He was told to screw a pig or someone would die. Consent under such a circumstance is not free and willing.

 

[Donos]

So I just started watching black mirror and I want to talk about the first episode. Namely, how realistic that situation was. I've been reading old discussions about the episode, and I've seen many people posit that it could happen, and pointing to David Cameron's fraternity initiation ritual as proof. but I still don't see this episode as in any way plausible.

Firstly, nobody seem to bat an eye that the price being paid for saving the princess is actual rape. That alone is enough to make me dismiss the plot outright. No matter how loved a princess is, I don't believe society would ever force a man to be raped by a pig, let alone as part of a terrorist plot. With contrast to what happened to David Cameron, that was supposed to be a private induction. And yes, in private, I think people can be coaxed into doing outrageous things. But I don't think society would ever expect or force a man to be raped by a pig to save another person's life. I just don't believe that could happen.

The other episodes of the show have been more thought provoking to me in the situations they present. They seem more realistic. But that first episode? C'mon.

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I think it is even one of the more plausible.
Think about it: a loved, well known human person dies or someone has to rape a pig... so you say no because of your honor?

 

[Robdraggoo]

He wasn't raped by the pig, he raped the pig. Right?

In any case, i hated the episode and it was the first episode i watched. Almost quit black mirror right them but was convinced to keep watching. And glad uidid, because most episodes are good.

Wht start with the episode that's going to make your audience uneasy and sick?

 

[Speevy]

A Resetera first: Pig rape controversy

 

[Krejlooc]

He ultimately made the decision to stick his willy in a pig. He wasn't pinned down while they forced the pig on him. He's the rapist.

Plus, pigs can't give consent. People can (and he did)

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They literally threatened his and his families safety if he didn't fuck the pig.

You've got a super sick mentality if you don't think he was raped.

 

[HStallion]

He ultimately made the decision to stick his willy in a pig. He wasn't pinned down while they forced the pig on him. He's the rapist.

Plus, pigs can't give consent. People can (and he did)

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I'd say both were raped in their own particular ways. He was forced to do it even if he's the one fucking the actual pig.

 

[subpar spatula]

Show of hands, folks, who would sleep with the pig to save the Princess? Y/N

No for me.

 

[DECK’ARD]

He wasn't raped by the pig, he raped the pig. Right?

In any case, i hated the episode and it was the first episode i watched. Almost quit black mirror right them but was convinced to keep watching. And glad uidid, because most episodes are good.

Wht start with the episode that's going to make your audience uneasy and sick?

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The first episode was the talking point of just about everyone in the UK, it did its job.

 

[HStallion]

Episode is trash. Among the plethora of reasons its not believable is how did this one random guy outsmart the authorities. He was just some random craftsmen or something?

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Wasn't it more that he gave them such a strict time limit that they didn't really have much chance of catching him and were more interested about trying to save the Princess?

 

[BocoDragon]

An analogy so strained it loses all meaning

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If you're looking for an example where someone actually fucks a pig, maybe. I think the point of the episode was that hackers could force a large organization to do what they want through a very public threat of humiliation, which happened to Sony since this episode went up.

 

[Krejlooc]

I think it is even one of the more plausible.
Think about it: a loved, well known human person dies or someone has to rape a pig... so you say no because of your honor?

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A person is forced to be raped by a pig.

I don't know why so many people ITT can't understand that he was raped.

 

[Deleted member 8860]

Both the PM and the pig were raped by the blackmailer.

Mediocre episode.

 

[konka]

They literally threatened his and his families safety if he didn't fuck the pig.

You've got a super sick mentality if you don't think he was raped.

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You’re really getting aggressive about a tv show man.

 

[Border]

I feel like Black Mirror kinda peaked with this episode and never really got any better.

 

[Normal]

Episode was just dumb lol.
Dude is a moron for having sex with a pig to save one person. I would have been like "lol you're on your own." Dude should have stepped down from his position.

 

[The_Land]

I tell everyone that hasn't watched any of the episodes to NOT watch this one, or at least not watch it first.. Episode fucking sucks and sets a bad tone for an otherwise amazing series.

 

[marrec]

A person is forced to be raped by a pig.

I don't know why so many people ITT can't understand that he was raped.

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So was the pig tho

 

[Krejlooc]

If you're looking for an example where someone actually fucks a pig, maybe. I think the point of the episode was that hackers could force a large organization to do what they want through a very public threat of humiliation, which happened to Sony since this episode went up.

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Forcing sony to take down a movie is in no way relatable to society forcing a man to be raped by a pig.

 

[Hektor]

There is an argument to be had that being blackmailed into sexual intercourse is a form of rape, but in no way can the pig be considered the rapist because neither did it black mail him nor did it consent to the intercourse.

 

[electroshockwave]

While I get what you mean when you say he was raped, saying he was raped by the pig is wrong. If I put a gun to your head and said I would shoot you if you didn't have sex with a captive woman you wouldn't say you were raped by the woman.

 

[Brakke]

He was coerced into sex he didn’t want, it was humiliating and degrading for him.

He wasn’t raped “by” a pig, he was raped “with” a pig. The pig was the instrument of the rape committed by the terrorist. (Or, because it’s Black Mirror, rape committed by ~society~.)

 

[Hollywood Duo]

Wasn't it more that he gave them such a strict time limit that they didn't really have much chance of catching him and were more interested about trying to save the Princess?

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It's a number of things. How did one guy take out her security detail without leaving a trace, set up a false flag at some abandoned university, constantly monitor twitter to find out about the body double, send multiple follow ups including the video and the chopped off finger all from apparently some random studio in central London?

If you're looking for an example where someone actually fucks a pig, maybe. I think the point of the episode was that hackers could force a large organization to do what they want through a very public threat of humiliation, which happened to Sony since this episode went up.

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Don't think so, they weren't hackers, they literally kidnapped a royal. That's not a hacker. It's a bog standard terrorist plot.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I still can't believe this was the first episode.

 

[BocoDragon]

Forcing sony to take down a movie is in no way relatable to society forcing a man to be raped by a pig.

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The show is about a group using public internet spectacle to force their will on a powerful organization, not pig rape.

 

[Krejlooc]

So was the pig tho

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So? They were both raped. This is an absurd tangent to go on when the original posts in contention was all about how pigs are worthless compared to humans. In which case, who give a shit that the pig was raped? The bigger, more pressing matter is that the human was raped.

 

[electroshockwave]

Show of hands, folks, who would sleep with the pig to save the Princess? Y/N

No for me.

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One less royal to sponge off the state.

 

[Krejlooc]

The show is about hackers using public internet spectacle to force their will on a group, not pig rape.

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And this topic is about how the spectacle they came up with isn't realistic, and society wouldn't force this to go down. Glad you're caught up.

 

[konka]

Forcing sony to take down a movie is in no way relatable to society forcing a man to be raped by a pig.

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The pig didn’t do anything but stand there. Stop saying the pig raped him.

 

[Donos]

A person is forced to be raped by a pig.

I don't know why so many people ITT can't understand that he was raped.

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So? That makes it unbeliveable? Yes, he was forced to make a very very hard decicison. Let the princess die or do a abhorrent thing. As abhorrent thing they choose the pig which makes it weird but i don't see why it is more unbeliveable because of that.

I get why people don't like the episode but i still like it.

 

[cognizant]

Maybe you don't buy it because you don't really care about the princess character. Think of someone in real life who is high profile and beloved, would that change the situation somewhat? I think Obama wouldn't hesitate to fuck a pig to save his wife, for example.

I mean, think of someone close to you in peril. How would you feel if after you refused to fuck the pig, your loved one was killed? You'd spend the rest of your life wondering, "what if I had done it, would they still be alive?"

Anyway, the fact that we're even debating this shows how effective that episode was.

And darkly hilarious.

 

[CrankyJay]

..he wasn't willing. He was forced to have sex with the pig against his will. He raped by a pig. You do understand that men can be raped, right?

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Well why is it the pig doing the raping? Weren't they both raped?

 

[AgonyRon]

I mean, the pig was also raped. So, like I guess technically you can also say the PM was also rape since it wasn't of his free consent either. But again, I think many would still consider that a small price to pay to save a person's life.

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Live on tv, while everybody knows who you are....

But then again, in the end you are the hero.

 

[electroshockwave]

Remember when North Korea hacked Sony, exposed their personal emails, and forced a movie out of theatres? I think there's an analogy somewhere in that episode.

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The show is about a group using public internet spectacle to force their will on a powerful organization, not pig rape.

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The episode aired in 2011 and The Interview/ hacking happened in 2014.

 

[Richter1887]

Guys,

The pig and the dude both got raped by the hackers.


As for the episode, I liked it because I can definitely see that happening to someone.