LTTP: The pig episode of black mirror
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Did you see the episode at all? Society is deciding in real time his fate through twitter.
Haha. Fantastic.
This thread went so, so poorly. I haven't seen the episode in a long time, so when the OP stated the PM was "raped by a pig" I started to wonder if I was remembering what happened in the episode wrong.
No one was raped ... Is this an actual discussion or I'm not in on the joke :/
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It's not just about society trading a murder for a rape. It's that society would get to see it on TV. The point of the episode isn't society making that trade; it's that they were all, to a man and woman, glued to the TV inside because they absolutely had to see it. Hence the ending of the episode where it's revealed that if society had not been so intent on watching, they would have discovered the Princess being released within minutes and well before the pig fucking started.
Surprised Margaret Thatcher came over to Era. Would’ve expected her to like GAF’s new direction.
That's not how rape works. He could have said no fuck the princess
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Society doesn't care as much for male rape. Society being pushed along through the anonymous voices of Twitter is kind of true too since activism there can lead to change in the real world.
You're too focused on the literal aspect of the show and not what the show is trying to tell you.
I think you don't understand what kind of show Black Mirror is.
I don't know, agreeing to do something gross for a few minutes to save someones life seems like a pretty easy decision.
We all bow to your expertise on the matter, Krejlooc of the Dreamcast Porno Party.
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being raped isn't "something gross" wtf
rape instills life long trauma
He was coerced through government threats against his family's life, as well as society pressuring him into it.
Or are we abandoning the concept that power is influential in rape? Because he's male?
It was a really big mistake making the pilot episode of your techno-social satire show one hour long joke about David Cameron when you know full well it'll also air outside of the UK.
It was the first episode I watched with my parents and they hated it so much it took me a year to get them to try the show again. If they had started with an episode that was heavier on the sci-fi and weaker on the social satire, the pig episode might not have been AS awkward, but starting the show with that was not a good idea.
It was the first episode I watched with my parents and they hated it so much it took me a year to get them to try the show again. If they had started with an episode that was heavier on the sci-fi and weaker on the social satire, the pig episode might not have been AS awkward, but starting the show with that was not a good idea.
Fucking a pig is pretty gross.
Being forced to fuck a pig is gross AND rape.
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According to another poster here the episode aired before the Cameron news came out. Don't have time to check rn.
Wait, seriously? I thought the first season came out in like 2013.
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I think it was well known among journalists, so no doubt Brooker, a journo himself who had written for The Guardian, took inspiration from it for the episode.
The first episode pre-dated the Cameron news when it was just a little show on Channel 4, and it became the most talked about show overnight because of it.
It worked perfectly.
That is the point, though, that the confluence of poll tracking/favorability ratings and digital media have led to this hypercharged real-time insane data dependence for public figures without regard for laws, morals, or past and future precedent. And that the amalgamation of people prompting that behavior act completely irresponsibly, because any sense of blame or accountability can deflected and dispersed and spread across the tens of millions of other people who aren't you.
also known as "it was just for the lulz"
also also known as Republican congressmen
I've mentioned before that I consider the episode to be a brilliant piece of television, and this thread is just confirming my opinion, given how heated people are about pig fucking.
I mean, most of Black Mirror does just that.
Brooker had no idea that his show would become popular in America though? It was unavailable legally for a long time. I remember back in 2012 it was the show that the people in the know were DLing and watching illegally.
The heated discussion in here on the subject of man-pig rape is the actual triumph of that episode's makers.
1. The episode aired years before the David Cameron rumors and, in fact, half the reason those rumors became so widespread was from people saying "Oh my god it's Black Mirror in real life"
2. While the episode is obviously uncomfortable and somewhat different than most other Black Mirror episodes, the reality is that it was a huge hit and basically put the series on the map. In 2011 this episode was being discussed all over the internet and was basically the must-watch TV phenomenon at the time. Everyone was talking about it. "Have you seen this crazy TV show? What would you do in that situation?"
People are balancing what they think is the lesser of two evils. Doesn't mean you have to agree. In general, rape is considered a "lesser" crime than murder (barring extreme examples like a violent rape vs. accidental occurrence resulting in a death), and you can see this reflected in the respective jail sentences. So is it really so unbelievable that people would want someone to be raped in order to save someone who would be killed?
Also, as others have pointed out, BM is frequently satirical and some episodes are meant to be played straighter (literal) and some are obviously more figurative. If you're going to have a tantrum and insist that people strictly view this episode in a literal sense, you're missing a lot of the message and really stunting discussion, frankly.
I tried introducing the show to my brother who had very recently divorced from his wife after she had an affair. All I told him was, "Don't start with the first episode."
So he clicked on "The Entire History Of You."
The pig one would have been a billion times better.
So he clicked on "The Entire History Of You."
The pig one would have been a billion times better.
I had no idea it aired in the UK first. That's so messed up.
Well, good on Brooker for somehow (kind of) predicting the future. I still think it was a bad pilot for the show as a whole, though. I don't think it's a bad episode, just not a good pilot.
My two favourite moments from the episode:
1] The disgusting porn star who has no problem fucking a pig.
2] When the PM fucking lunges at the lady who's his second in command, and strangles her. And then afterwards, they just shrug it off. It's just politics after all!
Cracks me up.
And yes, you're meant to be laughing most of the way through the episode, it's completely intentional humour.
It was years before we found out how about Cam fucking ham.
First episode has turned off so many friends from what is a great series. I have to recommend skipping the episode altogether (and the mediocre second episode) when starting the series. I liked the premise of the first episode, it is fantastic, but the brutality of it turns so many people off.
But yes, society would absolutely make someone do that. OP I think your underestimating how sick most people and society are..
Hang the DJ and The Entire History of You might be more in line with your tastes if you liked San Junipero.
But yes, society would absolutely make someone do that. OP I think your underestimating how sick most people and society are..
Many other episodes that are well worth your time, you should check some of the other fan favorites out. San Junipero was a classic but still far from my favorite Black Mirror episode.
Hang the DJ and The Entire History of You might be more in line with your tastes if you liked San Junipero.
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