I think I know where you're going with this, but wouldn't it be the other way around anyways? Also seems unnecessary to tie the theory to CeeCee specifically.
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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
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I feel like you have gone over what I'm about to ask so if you did just quote it/let me know.
But I flip Town, how does that change how you look at that entire scenario? I know you've already covered Fandorin and think it's either him or me so I'm more interested in your read of others.
Hrm, that would make sense. Didn't notice it wasn't in Faddy's role PM.
a second scum bomb would be funny though
I'm sorry I openly mused about the fact that we have a ton of protection roles and little kills??
Yea, I was just looking over Turmoil's pm and wondering how that would work with a JOAT.
Think he would be able to inherit a joat.
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==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
fandorin (4 votes)
fluxwavez - #3,902
sorian - #3,907
fantomas - #3,912
sawneeks - #3,913
sawneeks (1 votes)
natiko - #3,921
ezekelrage (1 votes)
brazil - #3,896
ceecee (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #3,893
Post Counts:
ezekelrage: 14 fluxwavez: 10 fantomas: 9 kyanrute: 5 sawneeks: 5 sorian: 4 natiko: 3 grizzly: 2 fran: 2 lone_prodigy: 2 brazil: 1 dr. monkey: 1 ceecee: 1 fireblend: 1
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Day Start
fandorin (4 votes)
fluxwavez - #3,902
sorian - #3,907
fantomas - #3,912
sawneeks - #3,913
sawneeks (1 votes)
natiko - #3,921
ezekelrage (1 votes)
brazil - #3,896
ceecee (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #3,893
Post Counts:
ezekelrage: 14 fluxwavez: 10 fantomas: 9 kyanrute: 5 sawneeks: 5 sorian: 4 natiko: 3 grizzly: 2 fran: 2 lone_prodigy: 2 brazil: 1 dr. monkey: 1 ceecee: 1 fireblend: 1
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No reason why a JOAT would not be inheritable. The recharge part is what would be lol, so no, to the trash the wild theory goes.
I did first. But then you went:
That's a step further than musing. I'm not scum reading, you were eager to vote for Faddy and Fandorin, and had the same suspicion I did towards CeeCee that I still do, but it's basically the same skepticism you had towards me at the end of D2, except much more unfounded this time when we don't know what scum's capable of.
See above for my reply yesterday. Still holds true, minus the bit about who my preferred lynch of the day is. I do think an additional piece at this point is vote analysis is slowly starting to be more beneficial since we now have two scum lynches and after today will have two full days of normal voting but I don't know yet what all would come from that in relation to your flip.
Who did I heavily defend? Is this a turmoil thing? Because telling people to just kill one of them isn't exactly what I'd call "heavy defense"
cant really argue against a fando lynch but i do think its a bold play for both turmoil and faddy to push him as leader if he is scum
i still think the correct lynch is malus
faddy's read of malus differs day to day with no reason and even on the day he votes for malus there is no mention other than just the vote
vote: malus
i still think the correct lynch is malus
faddy's read of malus differs day to day with no reason and even on the day he votes for malus there is no mention other than just the vote
vote: malus
Sorry, that should read "player you knew was town". In reference to CC.
seems p standard to lie about your shots so scum would actually target you still
Yea but why assume cc is lying at that point? I understand you saying that after cc came clean about not having any shots left.
While we're waiting for others to check in, as for the next night's modifier vote, I'd kind of like to roll the dice on Power Rangers and see what we get there.
Love Boat was basically what we first expected, same as Price is Right now.
I want to see what Power Rangers is next.
Love Boat was basically what we first expected, same as Price is Right now.
I want to see what Power Rangers is next.
Extra! Extra!
Will our intrepid townies resist the allure of the most blatant scum frame job in history? It doesn't seem likely!
But surely our keen heroes will notice that scum was openly begging for that mislynch?! That's a nice thought, little chap. You should hold on to it!
Why would the vigilantes of the day phase engage with the accused in any way if they can buy those arguments secondhand from the nearest ISO store?! It's an irresistible offer!
After all, the ever-helpful (but not so much this time around) Sorian raised the possibility that Faddy and Fandorin were both scum trains - which automatically means it's true! Who would question that?!
The answer to that mystery lies in the truth our specialists have observed: the pull of the force called "INERTIA" is too strong!
Especially when the source of that force lies in world-renowned arguments such as "turmoil said his name a few times!" and "he says he's town a lot!"
Unfortunately, it appears that our invaluable daredevils will meet their end in the hubris amassed after two successful hunts in a row.
But hope lives on! All it would take to prevent that misstep and let the evildoer-hunting momentum continue would be the will to actually read back with the flips in mind!
We'll be back to continue narrating the misadventures of MafiaEra in another time, another place. Carry on!
Also, hammer master Zeke knew that the lynchbomb was coming, waffled around for two posts
and then pretended to vote for Faddy when it didn't count anymore.
He knew he screwed up, so then came the uncharacteristic pre-typed posts.
You make a compelling case. So you are saying that Sorian and/or Dr. Monkey are Scum here and are trying to own the narrative now?
Extra! Extra!
Will our intrepid townies resist the allure of the most blatant scum frame job in history? It doesn't seem likely!
But surely our keen heroes will notice that scum was openly begging for that mislynch?! That's a nice thought, little chap. You should hold on to it!
Why would the vigilantes of the day phase engage with the accused in any way if they can buy those arguments secondhand from the nearest ISO store?! It's an irresistible offer!
After all, the ever-helpful (but not so much this time around) Sorian raised the possibility that Faddy and Fandorin were both scum trains - which automatically means it's true! Who would question that?!
The answer to that mystery lies in the truth our specialists have observed: the pull of the force called "INERTIA" is too strong!
Especially when the source of that force lies in world-renowned arguments such as "turmoil said his name a few times!" and "he says he's town a lot!"
Unfortunately, it appears that our invaluable daredevils will meet their end in the hubris amassed after two successful hunts in a row.
But hope lives on! All it would take to prevent that misstep and let the evildoer-hunting momentum continue would be the will to actually read back with the flips in mind!
We'll be back to continue narrating the misadventures of MafiaEra in another time, another place. Carry on!
To this I raise a counter point though! We had chats last night. I have spent a night chat with Town Zeke before in our last game, and he behaved exactly like this the following day.
Oof, y'all been busy. Gonna get caught up, but I also have a grant application due tonight that I thought was due Friday so I probably won't have a ton to say until the morning.
I actually wasn't sure what I even expected out of Price is Right, and I don't like it. Plus, this modifier helps scum, who can coordinate to cover different ranges to increase their chances at getting an item that will help the group.
Reading the descriptions for the games, the modifiers will likely directly correlate to the ones that have something specific (Cthulhu was an exception). Was there anything specific about Heroes and Villains that would stand out? I might actually vote for that one, because it sounds unpredictable in a way that I could be into.
And nah, Brazil's talking mess. Faddy and Fandorin acted inexplicably buddy-buddy until the very end. It wasn't one-sided.
Really, we don't have to wait the whole 48 hours for this. Only thing preventing me from wanting to call a turbo is that Pirate Bae's still not reported.
Really, we don't have to wait the whole 48 hours for this. Only thing preventing me from wanting to call a turbo is that Pirate Bae's still not reported.
I think this is the reason a lot of people want it, yeah. It sounds like there were a lot of different mechanics involved so it could be anything.
Also, Sorian, who's been completely toothless in this game, is probably scum!
He tried and tried and tried and tried to paint my boat with Fandorin as a thunderdome, despite never actually questioning us or engaging in scumhunting around us in any way. I don't think he ever even listed the arguments against Fandorin. He simply posted the same thing multiple times while trying to hedge people into buying his narrative that there was scum between us two.
(Also, notice how he went from thinking I was the "likelier out of the two" as scum into voting for Fandorin, just according to the thread's waves.)
When I called him out for it, he was so ready to disarm me, just like I'd expect from scum!Sorian, who's always painfully aware of all of his missteps.
Sorian took shots at Flux for his unwillingness to claim, but never took a stance during the turmoil x Flux thing. He instead talked a bunch about modifiers. In the end. His 30th post read "Flip one of them, deal with the fall out tomorrow, one is lying."
Sorian disappeared from the thread as soon as KetKat's counterclaim hit, and he never moved his vote onto the lynchbomb.
He tried and tried and tried and tried to paint my boat with Fandorin as a thunderdome, despite never actually questioning us or engaging in scumhunting around us in any way. I don't think he ever even listed the arguments against Fandorin. He simply posted the same thing multiple times while trying to hedge people into buying his narrative that there was scum between us two.
(Also, notice how he went from thinking I was the "likelier out of the two" as scum into voting for Fandorin, just according to the thread's waves.)
When I called him out for it, he was so ready to disarm me, just like I'd expect from scum!Sorian, who's always painfully aware of all of his missteps.
Sorian took shots at Flux for his unwillingness to claim, but never took a stance during the turmoil x Flux thing. He instead talked a bunch about modifiers. In the end. His 30th post read "Flip one of them, deal with the fall out tomorrow, one is lying."
Sorian disappeared from the thread as soon as KetKat's counterclaim hit, and he never moved his vote onto the lynchbomb.
Add that one to the pile! "He was buddy-buddy with Faddy!"
Such great arguments!
Yeah, it's the best. Though, honestly, not much more needs to be said because all of note was said during the previous day phase. Today's flips don't change that, and it still implicates you, too.
I'll make some Fandorin focused post later if I feel like it. But it's not necessary. We'll see how great your defense looks once he flips.
Oh, I have no doubt that you'll find some lazy-ass excuse to scumread me when Fandorin flips town, mr. Let's Just Hammer It With 48 Hours Left, Why Bother Playing Mafia.
Heh, damn straight. These "lazy-ass excuses" have worked out thus far, but your genius ones have gone quite the opposite for you.
I don't think Monkey is doing that. But you should probably look at Sawneeks, who has been trying to chain-lynch Fandorin with scum for two days in a row now.
My general thoughts after first read:
1. Flux has been stone cold about a lot of things: turmoil, Faddy, a continual desire to hammer early. I don't think I've ever been so confident about anything. I'm not that confident about which shoes to wear each morning.
2. I really don't think Sorian is mafia. I know, I know:
As far as I can tell, he was legitimately AFK when the shit went down yesterday. I even posted in our boat from the parking garage and then at a red light because I wanted a cliff notes update and he didn't respond. He was teasing me about my paranoia but otherwise sincere so I would think he would want to assuage me and not make me doubt him more. I don't know, just a feeling. I fucking hate that Bae got no result on him, though/was blocked/whatever happened there. If he's some kind of wacky ascetic neutral garbage, I'm giving up mafia forever.
3. Where are the malus votes now? If people were so convinced yesterday. So far, only rac is carrying that flag.
4. I still think idle LP is scum LP.
5. We can talk about this more in depth if you want, but I switched my vote yesterday because I wanted to see what Fandorin would do more than I wanted it to be a firm vote, but I knew there were many votes on Faddy and unlike Flux, I'm not interested in ending phases early without a damned good reason.
6. I asked about the proof thing because it came up and a doctor claim is not a way to prove that you're town. It didn't match up with what they had reported from the boat.
More specific things in a minute.
Side notes: Fran's "Monkey, update the thread" post to me last phase is basically the theme of this game. Sneeks, let me thank you for this, too.
1. Flux has been stone cold about a lot of things: turmoil, Faddy, a continual desire to hammer early. I don't think I've ever been so confident about anything. I'm not that confident about which shoes to wear each morning.
2. I really don't think Sorian is mafia. I know, I know:
As far as I can tell, he was legitimately AFK when the shit went down yesterday. I even posted in our boat from the parking garage and then at a red light because I wanted a cliff notes update and he didn't respond. He was teasing me about my paranoia but otherwise sincere so I would think he would want to assuage me and not make me doubt him more. I don't know, just a feeling. I fucking hate that Bae got no result on him, though/was blocked/whatever happened there. If he's some kind of wacky ascetic neutral garbage, I'm giving up mafia forever.
3. Where are the malus votes now? If people were so convinced yesterday. So far, only rac is carrying that flag.
4. I still think idle LP is scum LP.
5. We can talk about this more in depth if you want, but I switched my vote yesterday because I wanted to see what Fandorin would do more than I wanted it to be a firm vote, but I knew there were many votes on Faddy and unlike Flux, I'm not interested in ending phases early without a damned good reason.
6. I asked about the proof thing because it came up and a doctor claim is not a way to prove that you're town. It didn't match up with what they had reported from the boat.
More specific things in a minute.
Side notes: Fran's "Monkey, update the thread" post to me last phase is basically the theme of this game. Sneeks, let me thank you for this, too.
It was over by the time I got back from pickup but it was nice to have the mark.
Hey, here's another genius original idea: if I were you, I wouldn't be so proud of unnaturally and immediately figuring out that Faddy's pretty convincing claim was fake, considering how you'd probably planned that whole scenario out in scum chat.
I'd be down to hammer FluxWaveZ with 48 hours left and then just keep playing without him. He seems to just want to hammer his scum reads and tell us all we're wrong if we disagree. Gets pretty snappy with people too, I'm not really a fan tbh. Anti-Town behavior doesn't really need to be allowed, we can just have him exit stage left at any time.
I know it sounds harsh, but so does the insistence that we should hammer one person's scum reads and not allow any discussion.
I know it sounds harsh, but so does the insistence that we should hammer one person's scum reads and not allow any discussion.
Yeah, Saw is in my suspect pile because she does seem to be trying to set up chain lynches for some reason. She was calling out that Chugg or Flux needed to be looked at today because of the Doctor claim, and yeah she's still on the Fando train from that shoutout when she voted for Turmoil.
I think if there's a hammer, it's because most of town do agree that it should happen. I'm not gonna be insistent on it, but if scum's been identified, why not?
Roger that. So—still assuming that you're telling the truth—scum would have roleblocked Pirate Bae again. That sounds right.
And going along with Lone Prodigy's theory, they would have used a strongman kill on KetKat. I don't see why she wouldn't have protected herself given the circumstances.
Here's Flux in a few of the many D3 posts in which he tries to control the entire thread to get to move quickly towards the good part of his planned routine:
Faddy comes in with the perfectly reasonable and actually pretty good doctor fake claim.
In a span of a couple of minutes, without ever weighing the fact that the Chuggernaut claim was the true weak link in the "bulletproof, ommuter and doctor" equation, and without even considering the possibility of waiting for a counterclaim, Flux, in a totally organic way, claims that Faddy is lying:
Look at how mad he gets when I mention Chuggernaut, who is actually an integral part of his argument and mentioned by role in his posts:
We can't weigh the different possibilities, otherwise we'll stray from the planned routine:
Look at how organically proud and certain he was of his read before he was able to read KetKat's counterclaim:
Let's go back to the past a bit and remember that Flux and turmoil both were in a precarious situation when D2 started.
Both were being scrutinized by multiple players.
Both had voted for Stan with no proper build-up. After Flux showed up in my kill list, he got really angry when Monkey accused him of sheeping her's and Sorian's vote.
Both had given the bullshit KetKat townread that I'd brought up during late D2.
Let's also remember that turmoil's claim wasn't a heat of the moment thing; he'd laid out the groundwork for it in his very first post in that phase. Others in the thread even openly wondered if he'd concocted the ingenious fake claim with the help of his scummates.
Here's a cool excerpt by absolutbro:
This is my case. I may be completely wrong, since it's pretty out there, but if I am, I'll at least get to be proud of the A for effort.
Faddy comes in with the perfectly reasonable and actually pretty good doctor fake claim.
In a span of a couple of minutes, without ever weighing the fact that the Chuggernaut claim was the true weak link in the "bulletproof, ommuter and doctor" equation, and without even considering the possibility of waiting for a counterclaim, Flux, in a totally organic way, claims that Faddy is lying:
Look at how mad he gets when I mention Chuggernaut, who is actually an integral part of his argument and mentioned by role in his posts:
We can't weigh the different possibilities, otherwise we'll stray from the planned routine:
Look at how organically proud and certain he was of his read before he was able to read KetKat's counterclaim:
Let's go back to the past a bit and remember that Flux and turmoil both were in a precarious situation when D2 started.
Both were being scrutinized by multiple players.
Both had voted for Stan with no proper build-up. After Flux showed up in my kill list, he got really angry when Monkey accused him of sheeping her's and Sorian's vote.
Both had given the bullshit KetKat townread that I'd brought up during late D2.
Let's also remember that turmoil's claim wasn't a heat of the moment thing; he'd laid out the groundwork for it in his very first post in that phase. Others in the thread even openly wondered if he'd concocted the ingenious fake claim with the help of his scummates.
Here's a cool excerpt by absolutbro:
What better way to solidify Flux's status as the ultimate scum counterclaimant than by having him openly oppose another scummate who's already about to go down? The execution was a bit off, though.
This is my case. I may be completely wrong, since it's pretty out there, but if I am, I'll at least get to be proud of the A for effort.
It's what I'd figure. I'd say that you shouldn't survive until the next day phase now that the doctor is down, but they can just keep roleblocking you, I guess. We'll see what happens once the roleblocker's lynched.
Oh yeah
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
Let's accelerate this process since you apparently don't want to be in here for more than a few minutes for each phase.
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
Let's accelerate this process since you apparently don't want to be in here for more than a few minutes for each phase.
scratch earlier, gone for a while, some shit happening
not my shit but still handling
please don't fucking kill anyone while i'm gone okay
not my shit but still handling
please don't fucking kill anyone while i'm gone okay
Like I said before, you could have some kind of Ascetic modifier to go along with your role.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic
It would make sense because as it says on the wiki page, they could lose their inability to be targeted when they are performing their action at night. So you coming in telling us that you commuted the last two nights but not tonight could very well just mean that you used whatever your action is tonight so you know you could be targeted.
It's a long shot, but when I combine it with the fact that I have no reason to think that you are playing in the best interest of either the Town or Scum teams, it adds up decently in my head.