MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts

[Kyanrute]

hello am parrot and id like to add myself to the flux kill support train

reasoning being he is one of the soft stan votes and i was theorizing them being meanies

and he had his start what was kk i thought but then he did the vanish and hasn't been that much of voice

no capital letters because i am almost zzz at 7 pm that is weird indeed

i could add terra here too but that'd actually mean id have to read his posts again and think and nononono

 

[cabot]

I'm not sure what to make of terra really, would like him to clarify his comment about blaming others for spooking CeeCee.

 

[Dr. Monkey]

rac is still here, have some respect.

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that's a deep cut already and yet we're still in d1. Dang.

UGH the quotes I had selected when I was on my home computer stayed there, I guess. I wish I'd just taken notes instead. Damn.

And Monkey called me stubborn.
Panicked. CeeCee was panicked. That much was clear. Why is a bigger question.

What can you call CeeCee who killed the player who majority wanted to be the leader?

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I laughed very hard at this, I can't lie.

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y'all are wrong

I think I forgot to say hi to nin. Hi, nin!

 

[Fran]

Seeing as some people want to lynch me I will just say that I can prove that I'm town tomorrow.

 

[Fireblend]

People I wouldn't want lynched just yet that I can justify at least a bit, kinda ordered:

Sorian
cabot
Dr. Monkey
Brazil
CeeCee
Sawneeks
Blargonaut

People I don't want lynched just yet because of gutfeels/I'd have to review previous posts and I don't have that time (not really ordered):

malus
Pirate Bae
TheChuggernaut
Kyanrute


People I can't decide on/null reads, also kinda ordered:

nin (Hi nin!)
Fandorin
Fantomas
Faddy
Natiko
Fran
AbsolutBro
rac
Geno

People I wouldn't mind to see lynched today, also kinda ordered:

Terraforce
Zubz
KetKat
FluxWaveZ
turmoil7

I might walk some of those back before day end but those are my feelings atm, I think. I feel surer about the first/last groups than the middle 2.

 

[Natiko]

I'm not sure what to make of terra really, would like him to clarify his comment about blaming others for spooking CeeCee.

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I think I recall him doing so - it was something about how he was arguing Sophia wasn't scum and to not bother with CeeCee. Someone will find the quote.

that's a deep cut already and yet we're still in d1. Dang.

UGH the quotes I had selected when I was on my home computer stayed there, I guess. I wish I'd just taken notes instead. Damn.



y'all are wrong

I think I forgot to say hi to nin. Hi, nin!

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Yes, nin has joined and been a bit of nothing after replacing Kawl who was nothing. There's better leads to go off today, but it's something to watch.

 

[Dr. Monkey]

Seeing as some people want to lynch me I will just say that I can prove that I'm town tomorrow.

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I made the worst face at this.

 

[Fran]

I made the worst face at this.

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At least if Brazil still lynch me I go to spec and say to everyone "I told you so".

 

[turmoil7]

I see no reason to kill ceecee, I think he is likely town, the biggest pushes for killing him were from Geno and Fran, although I have more experience with Geno than Fran, I could see both town them doubling down on it for some reason. OTOH I have problems with Geno's reason, he goes "you never let them go(possible neutrals/scum)"(I don't recall the exact wording) when arguing with Sorian. That motive doesn't sit well with me, looks like pushing a revealed truth down our throats. Kind of forced. Makes me think Ceecee is town, he is scum and wants to kill a power who could swing the game towards town. Also, if he is so keen on best plays, why didn't he vote for Brazil or Stan? Town abdicating from voting gives more power to scum in taking the decision.

 

[Brazil]

Seeing as some people want to lynch me I will just say that I can prove that I'm town tomorrow.

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Honestly, I have so many concurrent suspicions in my head right now that I'll gladly set this one aside for today.

 

[CeeCee]

I've gone off a bit on my Terra scumread. Would be on board with Ketkat who seems to be one of the most floated lunches.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Alright, actually have the time to sit down with this instead of giving passive comments.

Hey, I used it on a scum read. My scum read was wrong, but that doesn't make it bad play.

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So this was the crux of CeeCee's decision.

People are arguing that lynching him now would be a policy lynch because of the nature of his power, right? Is there really any guarantee that a Day Vig. would be town aligned in a game like this?

He claims to have unused shots. Would we even want someone who is so bad at shooting to still be left alive after this? Basically:

1) Claims Stan is a scumread, which he never said before.
2) Shoots Stan blindly to preserve himself, instead of claiming which would have kept him alive
3) Still hasn't given me more reads despite asking twice.

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I'm leaning towards a town alignment for Sawneeks (hey, btw), because I like her in-depth observations, and she's one of the few who has the right read on me. People like to talk about low hanging fruit for CeeCee and such, but I think some of the people latching onto lynching me fit into that. That goes all the way back to the nonsense of "How can you even SAY that you don't want to be leader??" early on in the game.

All this pearl-clutching (official resetera phrase of 2019), go sit down in the corner you two. You're arguing a policy lynch for a role that needs to be town most of the time for good balance. You're also buying that bill of goods pretty quickly on 3-shots which already sounds ridiculous for a game this size when the easier play here is to lie and say you have more shots to eat a scum kill after you've expended your powers.

Geno, you like to pretend you're good at this but you follow a beginner's script.

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Actually being able to think it through now instead of just calling it by impulse, this is still fully assuming that CeeCee is town-aligned "for good balance." It's already been brought up in this thread that there were scum-aligned Day Vigs in previous games. I'm not as experienced, but this strikes me as a dangerous assumption.

[Still catching up but wanted to post this here, damn is there a lot of talk]

 

[cabot]

you seemed to have skimmed a couple of reasons other than balance as to why CeeCee isn't scum.

 

[Fireblend]

Alright, actually have the time to sit down with this instead of giving passive comments.

So this was the crux of CeeCee's decision.

People are arguing that lynching him now would be a policy lynch because of the nature of his power, right? Is there really any guarantee that a Day Vig. would be town aligned in a game like this?

He claims to have unused shots. Would we even want someone who is so bad at shooting to still be left alive after this? Basically:


I'm leaning towards a town alignment for Sawneeks (hey, btw), because I like her in-depth observations, and she's one of the few who has the right read on me. People like to talk about low hanging fruit for CeeCee and such, but I think some of the people latching onto lynching me fit into that. That goes all the way back to the nonsense of "How can you even SAY that you don't want to be leader??" early on in the game.


Actually being able to think it through now instead of just calling it by impulse, this is still fully assuming that CeeCee is town-aligned "for good balance." It's already been brought up in this thread that there were scum-aligned Day Vigs in previous games. I'm not as experienced, but this strikes me as a dangerous assumption.

[Still catching up but wanted to post this here, damn is there a lot of talk]

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I understand you're still catching up, but there are way more reasons to think CeeCee is not scum than just balance. Either way Brazil already said he won't consider CeeCee today so you're just spinning your wheels here.

 

[Dr. Monkey]

I just had the awful crawling suspicion that Sorian is a neutral, which is why he might argue for CeeCee as town for balance reasons, and why he's been so willing to make jokes about his scumminess (like the gut thing, like winking at me over our points of agreement) rather than just kinda half-bitterly commenting on the meme of Scummy Sorian as he's done in the past as town and scum. Sorian likes playing neutrals, iirc, that's his element. It would put him in a good mood. It would also give him knowledge that CeeCee is less likely to be neutral, since the game's not that big or wild.

There's nothing concrete to base this on but as I was ordering my list it was just a horrible thought.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

you seemed to have skimmed a couple of reasons other than balance as to why CeeCee isn't scum.

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I understand you're still catching up, but there are way more reasons to think CeeCee is not scum than just balance. Either way Brazil already said he won't consider CeeCee today so you're just spinning your wheels here.

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Still catching up, hold on. I'd rather say things as I see/think them at this point, since there's just a ton of stuff to wade through. If only to have my own personal trail I can check out.

Here are a couple of replies I was doing before I saw these:

Another thing to note: CeeCee didn't need to claim at all. His actions weren't revealed to the thread. He could of shot Stan, said nothing about it, and then left the rest of us scratching our heads.

By saying something, it tells me that he's at least trying to be somewhat transparent, and that makes me lean town.

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This is the one thing that makes me think CeeCee could be Town.

For record keeping: who here is comfortable, at this point, letting CeeCee both live and do as he wishes with his shots. Many people wish to see him live but I am unsure if that wish has the condition of following orders or not.

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I'm sure as hell not comfortable with it, but it's better than a mislynch for two town-aligned players dead on D1. I don't trust this "leaching" idea, either, unless it was formally treated as a secondary vote for subsequent days.

 

[Sorian]

I'm not sure what to make of terra really, would like him to clarify his comment about blaming others for spooking CeeCee.

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The only thing Terra pinged on me is how defensive he got yesterday. How he reacted to the whole CeeCee thing didn't register with me at all.

Seeing as some people want to lynch me I will just say that I can prove that I'm town tomorrow.

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Sure, at this point I don't think you were getting lynched anyway so I'm fine with you hanging yourself if this is a ploy.

Alright, actually have the time to sit down with this instead of giving passive comments.

So this was the crux of CeeCee's decision.

People are arguing that lynching him now would be a policy lynch because of the nature of his power, right? Is there really any guarantee that a Day Vig. would be town aligned in a game like this?

He claims to have unused shots. Would we even want someone who is so bad at shooting to still be left alive after this? Basically:


I'm leaning towards a town alignment for Sawneeks (hey, btw), because I like her in-depth observations, and she's one of the few who has the right read on me. People like to talk about low hanging fruit for CeeCee and such, but I think some of the people latching onto lynching me fit into that. That goes all the way back to the nonsense of "How can you even SAY that you don't want to be leader??" early on in the game.


Actually being able to think it through now instead of just calling it by impulse, this is still fully assuming that CeeCee is town-aligned "for good balance." It's already been brought up in this thread that there were scum-aligned Day Vigs in previous games. I'm not as experienced, but this strikes me as a dangerous assumption.

[Still catching up but wanted to post this here, damn is there a lot of talk]

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They existed once in this game over here doesn't mean anything in a vaccuum. I already said what needs to happen for a scum day vig to exist and also already pointed out that them being able to shoot D1 means there would need to be some weird shit in this game and I just don't see it.

 

[Dr. Monkey]

Still catching up, hold on. I'd rather say things as I see/think them at this point, since there's just a ton of stuff to wade through. If only to have my own personal trail I can check out.

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???? Why do you need your own personal trail to check out?

I don't know if it's phrasing or what but that strikes me as a really odd thing to say.

 

[Sorian]

I just had the awful crawling suspicion that Sorian is a neutral, which is why he might argue for CeeCee as town for balance reasons, and why he's been so willing to make jokes about his scumminess (like the gut thing, like winking at me over our points of agreement) rather than just kinda half-bitterly commenting on the meme of Scummy Sorian as he's done in the past as town and scum. Sorian likes playing neutrals, iirc, that's his element. It would put him in a good mood. It would also give him knowledge that CeeCee is less likely to be neutral, since the game's not that big or wild.

There's nothing concrete to base this on but as I was ordering my list it was just a horrible thought.

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I think CeeCee is less likely to be neutral because revealing your shot like that is a bit much even for someone impulsive like that but you do you

 

[Fireblend]

Still catching up, hold on. I'd rather say things as I see/think them at this point, since there's just a ton of stuff to wade through. If only to have my own personal trail I can check out.

Here are a couple of replies I was doing before I saw these:

This is the one thing that makes me think CeeCee could be Town.

I'm sure as hell not comfortable with it, but it's better than a mislynch for two town-aligned players dead on D1. I don't trust this "leaching" idea, either, unless it was formally treated as a secondary vote for subsequent days.

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I don't think this "post while catching up" method is very effective or making you look good, specially with the odd swerve on CeeCee's towniness you seem to be doing here?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

???? Why do you need your own personal trail to check out?

I don't know if it's phrasing or what but that strikes me as a really odd thing to say.

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So I can get all of my fabricated stories straight and make sure I'm in line with my scum buddies in the scum chat.

Or because I like referring to what I was thinking at a given point in time, and relating my own view points to others as theirs update as well.

I don't think this "post while catching up" method is very effective or making you look good, specially with the odd swerve on CeeCee's towniness you seem to be doing here?

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Alright, then I'll just make a post (or not) once I've gone through the rest.

 

[Faddy]

I think CeeCee is less likely to be neutral because revealing your shot like that is a bit much even for someone impulsive like that but you do you

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He has done it before, revealed his neutral powers in Quarantine. And by not revealing all he does is set himself up for a lynch in the next day.

If Stan dies there and CeeCee doesn't claim it there are very few people who would actually believe him. This would be like Melon's thunderdome in Marvel, the timing ruled out a whole bunch of people because they would be asleep.

 

[Natiko]

Guess we'll see what Fran's on about tomorrow. Flux's reappearance so far hasn't done anything for me.

I just had the awful crawling suspicion that Sorian is a neutral, which is why he might argue for CeeCee as town for balance reasons, and why he's been so willing to make jokes about his scumminess (like the gut thing, like winking at me over our points of agreement) rather than just kinda half-bitterly commenting on the meme of Scummy Sorian as he's done in the past as town and scum. Sorian likes playing neutrals, iirc, that's his element. It would put him in a good mood. It would also give him knowledge that CeeCee is less likely to be neutral, since the game's not that big or wild.

There's nothing concrete to base this on but as I was ordering my list it was just a horrible thought.

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I might see your point if the situation itself didn't indicate CeeCee is town anyways. Realistically I've never deigned to think I'm any good at reading Sorian. If he lives too long then he's probably not town-aligned. It's a rule of thumb that more often than not pans out.

 

[Fireblend]

Alright, then I'll just make a post (or not) once I've gone through the rest.

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It wasn't so much advice as a statement of fact. I don't feel good about your delayed reactions because it feels like you're trying to insert yourself into a conversation after the fact. One that I'd say isn't even relevant atm.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Alright, caught up. For now, I'll just say that it'll be pretty funny if I'm the one who gets lynched today.

It wasn't so much advice as a statement of fact. I don't feel good about your delayed reactions because it feels like you're trying to insert yourself into a conversation after the fact. One that I'd say isn't even relevant atm.

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Yep, which is why I replied as such. Won't make a comment on anything that happened or was discussed while I was gone, then. What's the relevant discussion now?

 

[Dr. Monkey]

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I think CeeCee is less likely to be neutral because revealing your shot like that is a bit much even for someone impulsive like that but you do you

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You're killing me, dude. I'm already all frazzled and like OH GOD I DON'T REMEMBER HOW TO PLAY MAFIA and you are just feeding my paranoia.

 

[Fireblend]

Alright, caught up. For now, I'll just say that it'll be pretty funny if I'm the one who gets lynched today.

Yep, which is why I replied as such. Won't make a comment on anything that happened or was discussed while I was gone, then. What's the relevant discussion now?

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Who would you like Brazil to lynch?

 

[Sorian]

He has done it before, revealed his neutral powers in Quarantine. And by not revealing all he does is set himself up for a lynch in the next day.

If Stan dies there and CeeCee doesn't claim it there are very few people who would actually believe him. This would be like Melon's thunderdome in Marvel, the timing ruled out a whole bunch of people because they would be asleep.

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I see what you are trying to say but the shot doesn't need to happen right then. CeeCee sparked that himself. He hit the hornet's nest himself and then fired when Stan didn't actually back down. He made the noise unlike melon in your example who had to act when she did.

I don't know much about quarantine so I can't really say much in that regard. I can say that not revealing now and claiming later means nothing, no one was going to take credit or counter claim because that just sets the liar up for a lynch (so Blarg maybe)

 

[Sorian]

You're killing me, dude. I'm already all frazzled and like OH GOD I DON'T REMEMBER HOW TO PLAY MAFIA and you are just feeding my paranoia.

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I'm neutral and Grizzly just wrote my win con as "drive monkey into a paranoid stupor" I asked for clarification and he said to use my imagination. This is all I've got.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Who would you like Brazil to lynch?

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In no order:

• CeeCee: Screw it. Too many variables, was suspicious of Sophia/CeeCee from the start. Potential to hit a neutral (or scum), or otherwise reduces the risk of hitting a town PR (unless we are supposed to believe that CeeCee has 2 shots left). Sure, there's the play that scum will want to NK CeeCee because of the risk of having more shots or not, but after how today went down? Not sure that'd be their target.
• Terraforce: Brazil and Sawneeks have put it better than I have, but it comes down to the fruitless confrontations and this weird attachment to making sure no one doubts CeeCee under any circumstances.
• FluxWaveZ: For the sake of humor.

That's it.

 

[Sorian]

I honestly don't know what to make of that very blatant flip flopping on your CeeCee stance. You're self aware enough that none of it was a slip.

 

[Fireblend]

In no order:

• CeeCee: Screw it. Too many variables, was suspicious of Sophia/CeeCee from the start. Potential to hit a neutral (or scum), or otherwise reduces the risk of hitting a town PR (unless we are supposed to believe that CeeCee has 2 shots left). Sure, there's the play that scum will want to NK CeeCee because of the risk of having more shots or not, but after how today went down? Not sure that'd be their target.
• Terraforce: Brazil and Sawneeks have put it better than I have, but it comes down to the fruitless confrontations and this weird attachment to making sure no one doubts CeeCee under any circumstances.
• FluxWaveZ: For the sake of humor.

That's it.

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CeeCee is your biggest scum read despite your second catch-up post? What do you feel after that whole discussion you inserted yourself into with seemingly no conclusion? Your previous suspicion overrides the arguments made in their favor?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I honestly don't know what to make of that very blatant flip flopping on your CeeCee stance. You're self aware enough that none of it was a slip.

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Again, I was literally catching up with people's arguments and points. I woke up, saw that CeeCee had shot Stanley, went "wtf, we should kill him." Then left to do my real life thing, came back, and was able to properly process what went down and people's reasons behind it. So I could see everyone's stances, and why CeeCee even did it in the first place. Obviously, that'll make me think about what happened, and earlier I was just making quote trees in real time.

My final stance on that is what I described above. Town or not, I kinda don't even care, though a mislynch for 2 townies dying today would suck.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

CeeCee is your biggest scum read despite your second catch-up post? What do you feel after that whole discussion you inserted yourself into with seemingly no conclusion? Your previous suspicion overrides the arguments made in their favor?

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"In no order"

And yes. But why are you continuing to harp on this? You yourself said that this is a moot and redundant topic because Brazil isn't going to lynch CeeCee.

 

[Sorian]

Again, I was literally catching up with people's arguments and points. I woke up, saw that CeeCee had shot Stanley, went "wtf, we should kill him." Then left to do my real life thing, came back, and was able to properly process what went down and people's reasons behind it. So I could see everyone's stances, and why CeeCee even did it in the first place. Obviously, that'll make me think about what happened, and earlier I was just making quote trees in real time.

My final stance on that is what I described above. Town or not, I kinda don't even care, though a mislynch for 2 townies dying today would suck.

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Well at least my read that this was policy more than anything was right.

 

[Fran]

"In no order"

And yes. But why are you continuing to harp on this? You yourself said that this is a moot and redundant topic because Brazil isn't going to lynch CeeCee.

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But he can lynch you so it's interesting to see your reactions.

 

[Sorian]

"In no order"

And yes. But why are you continuing to harp on this? You yourself said that this is a moot and redundant topic because Brazil isn't going to lynch CeeCee.

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He might lynch you though, that's why you're being scrutinized while you're actually here.

 

[Faddy]

I see what you are trying to say but the shot doesn't need to happen right then. CeeCee sparked that himself. He hit the hornet's nest himself and then fired when Stan didn't actually back down. He made the noise unlike melon in your example who had to act when she did.

I don't know much about quarantine so I can't really say much in that regard. I can say that not revealing now and claiming later means nothing, no one was going to take credit or counter claim because that just sets the liar up for a lynch (so Blarg maybe)

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I'm saying it is not an off the rails suggestion that CeeCee would do this as neutral but that is paranoia. I'm still pretty sure he is town. And if you want some more Sophia reads I thinks she is more likely to feel under pressure to use that role well as town and replaced out because she couldn't give her all. If she were neutral I think she would be more relaxed about the whole thing.

While Brazil is mulling over his options I looked at the game list. I still think Price is Right or Love Boat are good choices this early but Cthulu peaked my interest.

Call of Cthulhu – Season 3 game with unusual roles and unusual mechanics. Players could be turned insane by Lovecraftian monsters. Theme was Cthulu mythos.

If we are turning people Insane is it better to do it now rather than later? Or is this likely just to fuck with cop checks and best avoided.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

But he can lynch you so it's interesting to see your reactions.

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He might lynch you though, that's why you're being scrutinized while you're actually here.

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Obviously, but Fireblend is the one who told me to drop the topic. But now he wants me to continue with the topic. Mixed messages.

 

[Natiko]

Again, I was literally catching up with people's arguments and points. I woke up, saw that CeeCee had shot Stanley, went "wtf, we should kill him." Then left to do my real life thing, came back, and was able to properly process what went down and people's reasons behind it. So I could see everyone's stances, and why CeeCee even did it in the first place. Obviously, that'll make me think about what happened, and earlier I was just making quote trees in real time.

My final stance on that is what I described above. Town or not, I kinda don't even care, though a mislynch for 2 townies dying today would suck.

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Oh okay lol

Revised order:
1. Flux
2. Ketkat
3. Geno

 

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[Fran]

While Brazil is mulling over his options I looked at the game list. I still think Price is Right or Love Boat are good choices this early but Cthulu peaked my interest.

Call of Cthulhu – Season 3 game with unusual roles and unusual mechanics. Players could be turned insane by Lovecraftian monsters. Theme was Cthulu mythos.

If we are turning people Insane is it better to do it now rather than later? Or is this likely just to fuck with cop checks and best avoided.

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I don't remember Cthulhu. The insanity modifier was permanent? Because I wouldn't vote for that.

 

[Sorian]

I'm saying it is not an off the rails suggestion that CeeCee would do this as neutral but that is paranoia. I'm still pretty sure he is town. And if you want some more Sophia reads I thinks she is more likely to feel under pressure to use that role well as town and replaced out because she couldn't give her all. If she were neutral I think she would be more relaxed about the whole thing.

While Brazil is mulling over his options I looked at the game list. I still think Price is Right or Love Boat are good choices this early but Cthulu peaked my interest.

Call of Cthulhu – Season 3 game with unusual roles and unusual mechanics. Players could be turned insane by Lovecraftian monsters. Theme was Cthulu mythos.

If we are turning people Insane is it better to do it now rather than later? Or is this likely just to fuck with cop checks and best avoided.

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If the thought is that it will mess up cop checks then no, it's better to do it later because then the cops might be dead but I don't think any of the normal games will be a mechanic that can only help one side. I think a lot (all) will be like this election mechanic where both sides could potentially benefit. The only one that gives me mild worry are those fake games like RNG mafia.

 

[Blargonaut]

[...] Another thing to note: CeeCee didn't need to claim at all. His actions weren't revealed to the thread. He could of shot Stan, said nothing about it, and then left the rest of us scratching our heads.

By saying something, it tells me that he's at least trying to be somewhat transparent, and that makes me lean town. [...]

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A pertinent point

 

[Dr. Monkey]

Yikes, my actual town reads got much smaller as I was doing this list.
Town
cabot
Sorian (oh god)
Fantomas?
Sawneeks?
Kyanrute?

Don't lynch, no good reason to (these are in orderish from most to least certain):
AbBro
rac
Natiko
tumoil7
Pirate Bae
Fireblend
Fandorin
malus
Faddy
CeeCee
Blargonaut
Chuggernaut
Terra

Flux tier of uncertainty - will talk about this in a bit

Would lynch:
KetKat - KetKat isn't always super active, but this pattern of appearing and melting away when there's heat is concerning, but this flip also gives us reasons to explore why others did or did not support it, depending on result - I mean, always, but I think moreso with this one than others
nin - Kawl was inactive and I am a fan of lynching inactive Kawl. nin hasn't done much either. Problem is that this gives us very little. Would not be my first choice, but would not be a bad choice, either.
Geno - Geno has been super cagey and not exactly forthcoming with attempts to solve or more the game forward, which just compounds the first.
Fran - In the Great Fran/Chuggernaut War, I think Chuggs is more likely to be town. I had advocated leaving these two, but Fran has been pretty aggro. Would not mind the flip just for Fran's sake and also think it would be illuminating.
Zubz - I've really gone a long way from my initial Zubz consideration, but Zubz is a nonentity and I'm getting the sense of doing just enough to be apparent without making waves. I feel also like Zubz giving minor lip service to the idea of a no lynch reads like a cover - like look, I'm town Zubz, really!


I am salty because I felt very good about my Stan town read and his death has really destabilized the game for me. I reserve the right to change any and all of these tomorrow, pending today's events and reactions. -.-

 

[Sorian]

I don't remember Cthulhu. The insanity modifier was permanent? Because I wouldn't vote for that.

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I believe the only actual insanity mechanic was that whole always post in haikus thing and I think it only lasted a day but Rats got targeted multiple times.

 

[Fran]

RNG mafia.

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Wild guess: All actions have a RNG chance of success.

 

[Sorian]

Yikes, my actual town reads got much smaller as I was doing this list.
Town
cabot
Sorian (oh god)
Fantomas?
Sawneeks?
Kyanrute?

Don't lynch, no good reason to (these are in orderish from most to least certain):
AbBro
rac
Natiko
tumoil7
Pirate Bae
Fireblend
Fandorin
malus
Faddy
CeeCee
Blargonaut
Chuggernaut
Terra

Flux tier of uncertainty - will talk about this in a bit

Would lynch:
KetKat - KetKat isn't always super active, but this pattern of appearing and melting away when there's heat is concerning, but this flip also gives us reasons to explore why others did or did not support it, depending on result - I mean, always, but I think moreso with this one than others
nin - Kawl was inactive and I am a fan of lynching inactive Kawl. nin hasn't done much either. Problem is that this gives us very little. Would not be my first choice, but would not be a bad choice, either.
Geno - Geno has been super cagey and not exactly forthcoming with attempts to solve or more the game forward, which just compounds the first.
Fran - In the Great Fran/Chuggernaut War, I think Chuggs is more likely to be town. I had advocated leaving these two, but Fran has been pretty aggro. Would not mind the flip just for Fran's sake and also think it would be illuminating.
Zubz - I've really gone a long way from my initial Zubz consideration, but Zubz is a nonentity and I'm getting the sense of doing just enough to be apparent without making waves. I feel also like Zubz giving minor lip service to the idea of a no lynch reads like a cover - like look, I'm town Zubz, really!


I am salty because I felt very good about my Stan town read and his death has really destabilized the game for me. I reserve the right to change any and all of these tomorrow, pending today's events and reactions. -.-

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Why does Stan flipping what you expected destabilize your list?

 

[Sawneeks]

if CeeCee ends up not Town I'm holding up a big 'i told you so' sign. You can't stop me.

 

[Fran]

Fran - In the Great Fran/Chuggernaut War, I think Chuggs is more likely to be town. I had advocated leaving these two, but Fran has been pretty aggro. Would not mind the flip just for Fran's sake and also think it would be illuminating.

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This is from before or after I said that I could prove my aligment?