What does this mean? I assume you wanted someone to ask you or you wouldn't have left this hanging.Very close to locking in on CeeCee, but there's no real point to do it now. I'll wait.
I have been chewing on this and my guess is protection avoidance. There were a lot of good potential targets for coverage last night but Geno wasn't one of them. Still weird though, because Geno was not particularly town read and and he was very shady at EoD.And finally, Geno is a weird fucking pick. He's not the quiet no info kill because he played enough to get reads out on him. He peaced out for almost a full real life day because of a fight so he was missing actual read content near the end, and unless there was something super coded that I missed, he didnt even lightly hint at a claim. I can't see the justification at all and that's bothersome.
You'd certainly never do it multiple times.@Fantomas What she is saying is you can totally, 110% always trust me. I would never, ever, ever backstab anyone.
Tricky. That first post, by Chuggs, feels to me like someone who doesn't know enough about game balance, which scans with the number of games Chuggs has played with us. Hell, I've designed games, and there are some calls on balance I couldn't make. So this is to say if you take it at face value, he's just probably wrong, and it's not really unusual for him to be wrong there. That post doesn't bother me much.@Fantomas @Dr. Monkey @rac @Faddy @Pirate Bae @Brazil @malus
I want your guy's thoughts on these posts below.
Does that mean you're not sure on a town read and you want to talk to Fanto, or you're town reading him?
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cabot He mentioned yesterday he had not played in any of them and wouldn't be voting. Source: My reread for that long ass post everyone on 50ppp is doomed to see numerous times for a bit. It was one of his last posts.
Are you referring to a specific scum read or just in general thinking Fran won't go in a direction that aligns with your thoughts?
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nin has dropped out of the game
I'm looking for a replacement.
Also really hate his (and others) suggestion of testing CeeCee's shot on Chuggs. The most obvious glaring flaw being that there's no fucking way to prove it outside of a flip, because theres no public feedback and we have to rely on two not exactly reliable parties. Screw your dumb idea, Fran. Screw it in the nuts.
I was thinking that CeeCee could shoot Chuggs today and we could clear if CeeCee and Chuggs claims are true, but CeeCee's shoots being untraceables would mean that we have no way to confirm anything if both of them are scum partners. So that would be a no go.
So far, Fran has stated he'd shoot Chuggs with maybe a very slight chance of Sorian. I don't scumread either of these players currently.
Honestly this post makes me want to lynch CeeCee. He shot a town member in cold blood, and now that it's time to prove he's town he's suddenly unable to shoot. I guess an odd day vigilante could make sense, but still I wouldn't be surprised if he finds some other excuse in the next day phase to not have to shoot someone (Probably that he's actually 1-shot or something).I was going to try and fly below on this for a bit longer, but it seems that it'll derail the game too much since people are strategising about how to use my shot.
I can't shoot today.
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Fantomas Dr. Monkey rac Faddy Pirate Bae Brazil malus
I want your guy's thoughts on these posts below.
I'm not sure how one town BP would much improve a day vigilante. With that many players it seem unlikely he would hit that one. A town vig is not necessarily bad for scum, since the chance he hits town are still pretty high. Makes me question a bit why he didn't bring this up yesterday, when it was still a hot topic, but I guess he didn't have much pressure on himself then to claim and he also says he still leans town CeeCee so I wouldn't particularly scum read this quote just yet.Sawneeks and whoever wanted to know. If town has a 1 shot bullet proof then I feel like a day vig with three shots is kind of OP. I'm bad at balancing though so what the hell do I know. For what it's worth, I'm still leaning town for Ceecee which is why I wasn't really pushing for a Ceecee lynch yesterday. I'm just not sure about the shots, but what he's said about how he can't use his shots today makes me feel like he was kind of telling the truth
Seems kind of strange to mention what you "should" do as scum to then say you did something different. Reads to me like "Scum would do this. I didn't do this therefore I can't be scum". But why even mention this at all if you're talking about yourself? Gives me a bit of a strange feeling about Fireblend.I have to work based on some assumptions, Brazil being town being one of them for the time being, mostly because I could've seen myself lynching Terra for similar reasons than he did. I had initially suspected him yesterday and wanted Cabot or Stan over him as a leader, so if I was scum it'd probably be better for consistency's sake to still scumread him, even more so after the Terra mislynch, but I turned around on him fairly quickly afterwards.
RIP Geno/Faddy, at least no a PR
I expected Flux or Fran to die due to PR hints, probably they weren't because fear of a doc save?
Not sure if this is a curse or a blessing
absolutbro careful of not getting modkilled
Can we agree to not place votes at least for the first 24hs(if possible, if real life calls then no problem)
On post #2054 fireblends kill list was Terra, Flux(PR hinted), me/turmoil, zubz
If flux is town I say we have to look at this
I don't want to lynch flux at least for this day phase, we can work with his hint claim in the future, if he is scum he can't claim vanilla anymore so with more info on the setup we could work his alignment.
I'm still processing Fran's claim, so you are the Overrider now?
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You're weirdly pre-occupied about Flux apparently hinting at a PR. I never did this.
I'd normally wait for a reply before elaborating, but we're at a limit, so I think I know what you're talking about. But you know how each of us has a role name of another person? Well, yeah...
I guess I must have overlooked that Fran apparently wanted you dead the most last phase...? I'm not sure how I would have glossed over this.
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Was totally wrong about my reads. Sorry, Geno.
I see no reason as to why Fran would lie. He seems confident that he'll be able to prove it today. Chuggs seems fine as well. I don't think he needed to claim just yet but it was probably an inevitability today, with Fran's claim and all (if it's true, which I think it is).
I'd like to hear more from rac today. He hasn't much of a presence in the thread. Turmoil, too. Both feel like they're just kind of coasting.
Fantomas, why do you want to lynch Ket today? She's playing as she normally does; I haven't seen anything particularly scummy from her.
Did you ever explain your reads on Geno or Zubz? Geno is flipped now but I would still like to hear your thoughts.
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tbh I'm gonna have to go reread that whole argument because I didn't really read it and I don't remember much of it.
For the record, Fran, I think you're more likely to be town than anything else. I was just explaining Sorian's logic.
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I don't understand this post. Is it because Terra died? If so, I understand it, but it seems a bit forced.
I don't understand this one either. No elaboration needed, just, I feel like people are shifty-eyes-ing one another here and I'm out of the loop.
I still think the list of "people who voted for Stan and where in Brazil's kill list" holds some water, although evidently Terra wasn't scum. Still willing to wager there's probably scum there and it'd be my first place to look.
I didn't have a top two Town to be honest. I do think the way that you were scumreading me originally was suspicious. A lot of people do lean into meta reads pretty hard, but it's odd to see that meta read be from meta that doesn't exist. Like, I never ever think of my own posts as goofy in any of these games outside of the beginning of this one. I'm often overly serious if anything.
As of right now, I'm still mainly suspicious of both you and CeeCee. But, if CeeCee shoots someone today that we want, then that might help alleviate some concerns there. I think outside of you two, I want to look towards the Day 1 votes for leaders with the information that we have now. But, that's kind of hard to do since it's entirely possible that Brazil is town as well, and it was just scum voting wherever for fun. Geno's vote was just on himself early on in the day and never moved, so that doesn't tell us a whole lot there.
CeeCee If you're planning on shooting someone, can you give a bit more of a heads up before you do it this time?
I guess I'll ask then. What exactly is your role? You said you would be happily leashed, but the reason some people avoided you is because they thought they could use that shot today.
Thought: We have a vig, we have a claimed BP. We can test the BP, and assuming TheChuggernaut survives we can be pretty sure TheChuggernaut is town (unless we think there are enough kill shots/powers to force a scum BP, which I find unlikely). It isn't the best use of BP or a vig shot, I admit, but it means we don't override to a town PR.
it's late, I'm going to finally feed myself after feeding all the animals. back in a bit
Alright I'm here and will post a bunch and I really like this weird ass modifier.
But I want to burn a post to be incisive about it cause this is really nagging me right now:
I believe Fran inherited Stan and now has a override, since like others have said who would lie about something like that? But why the hell did he claim so soon considering he was among the players doubting CeeCee's claim last phase? After all, if CeeCee ended being scum after all, he could've just shot Fran in the face and once again squandered yet another town override.
Quite a bit after Fran claimed, CeeCee inavertedly reveals that he can't shoot today and stops posting for RL reasons... I gotta say this is really working up my paranoia.
Of course, Fran's claim and excitedness is reading REALLY townie right now, plus why the hell would scum link themselves like this so soon into the game? But my god.
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Why would you look there now? This is entirely relying on Brazil being Town and we have no way of knowing that. Unless you know Brazil is Town because you're Scum.
Why? Neutral/Scum!CeeCee would have everything to gain by wasting a shot for us. Whether he follows us or not doesn't mean a thing about his alignment.
Fantomas What she is saying is you can totally, 110% always trust me. I would never, ever, ever backstab anyone.
Why are you dodging answering why you doubted the 3-shot claim if you were a 1-shot BP?
Testing the BP and confirming it doesn't mean anything for Chuggs. If (for some reason) CeeCee IS Town then Scum having a BP makes perfect sense and would highly implicate Chuggs.
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Myself and one other (may have been Fanto) noted how Geno was acting very sketchy the last Day Phase and how he may have been hiding something. With Scum knowing Geno wasn't one of them they could have easily interpreted that as him being a PR trying to stay alive.
Why would you expect Flux or Fran to die over a proven day vig? Or someone with far more town cred than either of those two?
If they wanted a low info kill there were players like myself that would give literally 0 information about anything due to a lack of meaningful interactions. Geno had actual conversations.
I'm suddenly having Batman Mafia flashbacks, to a sniper that took days to set up a shot that never came, because it was all a lie... granted, Stan did die so that's at least something. But a day vig that can't shoot twice in a day, can't shoot consecutive days and doesn't claim in thread? crazy
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one questioning the Geno pick instead of being all "that makes sense". No, it doesn't. I'm going to be the one to say it: It makes me wonder if Geno was the actual target.
Well, I was thinking of a scenario where he doesn't waste a shot. For instance, he offered to be leashed and go along with what the group wants. If the group picks someone, and then CeeCee goes against the group, there is possible information to be gained there when either of them flips. If CeeCee ends up being scum, there's a possibility that he was avoiding a teammate or something like that. If he just hits scum, then I would have a better feeling about him in general because that would be a huge jerk move to shoot a teammate like that.
It's not the most solid stuff to glean from it, but there is information to gain besides just whoever is flipped from the shot. Although at this point, I don't think he's a 3-shot DayVig at all.
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Good point on possibly Scum! BP Chuggs. That totally slipped my mind but it's a very simples conclusion. Point is moot thought since we wouldn't know if CeeCee took a shot or not anyway.
But I wonder if Scum! Neeks would be this cheeky and outright explain her team's (flawed) reasoning for killing Geno so soon like this. Definitely not a good idea to go down this WIFOM road, so I'll leave it at that.
I don't think Ceecee's Scum, but I do think he's a liability. And I think Fran may be Scum. Admittedly, I've never seen Universal Backup in action, but also, we have no proof going for us outside of Fran killing The Chuggernaut... which is also bad, as I don't think Chugg's Scum. The fact that Fantomas is triangulated in all of this is intriguing, though.
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I don't think Chuggs is lying about being a BP (see post to Fanto below). This means one of two things:
1. CeeCee is lying about being an X-shot, or even whatever condition he has placed on him where he can't shoot today. So Chuggs is just shit out of luck if Cee decides to shoot him, and then scum try to kill him, or he gets lynched, or whatever. One side would be stronger than the other, and I don't think Grizzly likes to be unbalanced. All of his games have been fair.
2. Chuggs is lying about the nature of his role. I do believe that he's a BP, but if CeeCee isn't lying, it's likely that Chuggs is. Either he has to choose to activate his BP, or it's an X-shot (which I think is unlikely, because that would be stupid OP). Or, he has some kind of condition that activates his power. I'm not sure what that would be, but it would have to offset such a strong role as a day vig.
Either way, we don't have enough information without flipping either one of them. I'd pick Chuggs between the two of them.
how many people in this game are like this?
why aren't you scum reading me?
Zubz or Fireblend for me, although you probably won't shoot Fireblend.
Firstly, I think you are reading stuff I never wrote. Secondly, my thoughts have changed, but not enough for me to definitively say if someone is scum or town. Right now Fireblend and Kawl is all I need.
So...hang on. You feel like a DayVig with 3-shots is too much and are unsure about whether CeeCee was telling the truth about his shot count. Despite that you feel he is Town - why? Wouldn't an overly powerful Vig claim on top of what you feel is a lie lead you to think he is NOT Town?Sawneeks and whoever wanted to know. If town has a 1 shot bullet proof then I feel like a day vig with three shots is kind of OP. I'm bad at balancing though so what the hell do I know. For what it's worth, I'm still leaning town for Ceecee which is why I wasn't really pushing for a Ceecee lynch yesterday. I'm just not sure about the shots, but what he's said about how he can't use his shots today makes me feel like he was kind of telling the truth
So your entire defense here is, 'it would've been easier for Scum!Febe to just keep scum reading him'?I have to work based on some assumptions, Brazil being town being one of them for the time being, mostly because I could've seen myself lynching Terra for similar reasons than he did. I had initially suspected him yesterday and wanted Cabot or Stan over him as a leader, so if I was scum it'd probably be better for consistency's sake to still scumread him, even more so after the Terra mislynch, but I turned around on him fairly quickly afterwards.
As Scum denying a shot that is picked by the community would seal not only the shooter's fate but the person they refused to shoot as well. It would be much more beneficial at that point to take a shot at a teammate and use that positive credit to ride out the game. They'd have to survive an eventual 'CeeCee shot Scum why aren't they dead yet?' point but it's a much easier bargain than just throwing it away like that.Well, I was thinking of a scenario where he doesn't waste a shot. For instance, he offered to be leashed and go along with what the group wants. If the group picks someone, and then CeeCee goes against the group, there is possible information to be gained there when either of them flips. If CeeCee ends up being scum, there's a possibility that he was avoiding a teammate or something like that. If he just hits scum, then I would have a better feeling about him in general because that would be a huge jerk move to shoot a teammate like that.
It's not the most solid stuff to glean from it, but there is information to gain besides just whoever is flipped from the shot. Although at this point, I don't think he's a 3-shot DayVig at all.
And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that sentiment but there's two problems with Febe's argument.I don't love this bit of shade from you, especially given I know you're a strong enough player to recognize that you can't operate in this game assuming every non-confirmed player is scum. Sure the possibility should always be considered, but early on especially you have to try and work with what you believe to be the most likely situation until you get more facts.
These make no sense
Why would you expect Flux or Fran to die over a proven day vig? Or someone with far more town cred than either of those two?
If they wanted a low info kill there were players like myself that would give literally 0 information about anything due to a lack of meaningful interactions. Geno had actual conversations.
I voted for this one because on Wednesday night's I'm playing in a Call of Cthulhu game. My character died last week, eaten by a Hunter in the Sky. Good a reason as any, right? Right.
There is 0 indication of what each modifier is based on game title, so I'm not sure why you're discussing it like it is.
Yes, I would have seen that without you wasting a post...
I'm suddenly having Batman Mafia flashbacks, to a sniper that took days to set up a shot that never came, because it was all a lie... granted, Stan did die so that's at least something. But a day vig that can't shoot twice in a day, can't shoot consecutive days and doesn't claim in thread? crazy
I did say it wasn't a great use of BP or a day vig shot.
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one questioning the Geno pick instead of being all "that makes sense". No, it doesn't. I'm going to be the one to say it: It makes me wonder if Geno was the actual target.
Now to catch up with some posts in here. I'm trying to limit myself because I want to be able to get a lot of quotes into one and save as many of these precious posts as I can.
The reason it feels to me like you're winging it is that you're opinions generally feel like they are coming from someone who is only half paying attention to the game. Otherwise, if I think of you as Scum, they also kind of feel purposely misleading/confusing, so I'd rather like to test that out in my mind instead of continuing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Since this unique day phase is obviously going to keep things from getting up to 2000+ posts again, I would hope you can find the time to be as thorough as you usually are, because I'd like to see it.
I responded to her earlier, assuming you probably saw it by now, but just in case you didn't this is the crux of my read on her:
Basically, I'd say that the content of Ketkat's posts are easily less towny than anyone in the game, so I see her as the scummiest person in the room.
I don't want to go down the meta hole too much, but "goofy" probably wasn't the right word, I'll agree to that. I honestly don't think I can sum up what it is with one word without busting out a thesaurus though, so it's whatever.
Do you have a top two Town now?
What do you think of CeeCee now that he has revealed that he cannot shoot someone else today?
When you get the chance, I'd like to hear why if you don't mind, or at least link me back to a spot where you went over him before if you don't have any new reasons.
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I don't know shit about balance either, so I don't have much to say about the first part.
From what I remember while rereading Chugg last night, he was initially thinking that CeeCee was Town, later on he made a post saying he was feeling worse about CeeCee, then far later he came back and made a note that he was on the side of people who wanted to keep CeeCee alive.
I think in the last part of the post he is saying that he believes that CeeCee does have more shots but is being restricted from using them, and that this makes the face-value claim of X-Shot Day-Vig more believable to him. I'd agree, yeah, I hadn't considered the idea of an odd-day modifier on it like Sorian mentioned above, so that would make sense to me.
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I think he's saying that he had been scum reading Brazil, but that now he is Town reading him because he could see himself having picked Terra as well, and that if he (FB) was Scum he would stick with scum reading Brazil for consistency's sake instead? That was kind of a hard post to parse, but I think that's what he's saying. It reads a bit self conscious perhaps, and I don't really know if he needed to try justifying that as hard as he did to you.
That's what I said. I feel like the "hard justification" was just a followup to Sneek's assertion of "scum would know Brazil's town", with me replying with the way I'd think scum would do with that knowledge. Obviously that's projected into me in my reply because I'm the one replying.2.
I think he's saying that he had been scum reading Brazil, but that now he is Town reading him because he could see himself having picked Terra as well, and that if he (FB) was Scum he would stick with scum reading Brazil for consistency's sake instead? That was kind of a hard post to parse, but I think that's what he's saying. It reads a bit self conscious perhaps, and I don't really know if he needed to try justifying that as hard as he did to you.
Read above. Maybe I overdid it because of the post constraint and I wanted Sawneeks to take my idea seriously - I do think there's merit on working based on assumptions until we get better ones or they're disproved, in this case those 3 players I'll keep an eye on.Seems kind of strange to mention what you "should" do as scum to then say you did something different. Reads to me like "Scum would do this. I didn't do this therefore I can't be scum". But why even mention this at all if you're talking about yourself? Gives me a bit of a strange feeling about Fireblend.
Yes. Not only Scum!Fireblend, but Scum!anyone, if they were in my shoes and had made the posts I made. I'm not even sure it's a defense, I was just playing along with your Scum!Fireblend-would-know-Brazil-is-town scenario. Seems unfair to lead me down that road and then harp on me when I play along with the hypothetical. And again, insistence is a bit of an exaggeration. I said I'd like to keep an eye on them and still found them worth "not letting go", you asked me about it and I replied saying that obviously some assumptions were needed because this is not a perfect information game.So your entire defense here is, 'it would've been easier for Scum!Febe to just keep scum reading him'?
That's….not much of a defense. And if that's your reasoning for doing a 180 on Brazil then your insistence on him being Town in order to look at those two lists is scummy as heck.
That's a good breakdown of what can happen when we're playing together haha.This either means that we'll beat scum together, or that I'll get killed just as I'm about to realize his true alignment, and then he'll get caught as the last remaining scum.
I totally forgot Ketkat's been holding out on Townreads. Call me simple, but she & Turmoil are my 2 main sources of suspicion currently.
That's my kind of modifier.
Honestly this post makes me want to lynch CeeCee. He shot a town member in cold blood, and now that it's time to prove he's town he's suddenly unable to shoot. I guess an odd day vigilante could make sense, but still I wouldn't be surprised if he finds some other excuse in the next day phase to not have to shoot someone (Probably that he's actually 1-shot or something).
Sawneeks
I was reading through Monkeys post and mostly nodding along with it.
I havent got scum from chugs at all in his play. Day 1 I was reading him town due to his tone and aggressive stances. I was surprised Fantomas was pushing a scum read on him.
Fireblend taking a hard stance that Brazil is town just for the shot, it is a weird take because scum Brazil had many options and could easily find a town to hit. The fact that Brazil did not really threaten anyone else or show signs of pressuring elsewhere makes his claim he was evaluating other shots dubious. Remember he held it until the end of day and only questioned Terra, like he had made up his mind before Terra responded so nothing he said perhaps outside of claiming a PR was going to change his mind.
Fireblend has been quite elusive the whole game, throwing in comments here or there. He isn't where I would push today but I don't have him in my top town.
Sucks to see nin go like that. He even said he was keeping notes about everyone too. I confess I now have thoughts that both Kawl and nin couldn't keep up with the thread and scum chat at the same time, but I'll try and suppress these until we see something from the replacement.
That's a good breakdown of what can happen when we're playing together haha.
Good read on me too and I don't see Scum! Brazil coming up with a town read on me in such a roundabout way.
This post is so weirdly phrased. Saying you "forgot" that KetKat was "holding out reads" makes it sound like a objective fact. And that is the main reason for your scum read too? Did you interact with her on this matter previously?
cabot I wouldn't quote that post with a ten-inch pole. Not sure why you think I'm fixated on killing CeeCee. The post you quoted is much more about Fran than it is about CeeCee, since he's the one that claimed a dangerous role for scum with a suposely still armed Day Vig. alive. I have no qualms with keeping CeeCee alive this phase, even if he doesn't give us a good explanation on why he can't shoot today.
I don't see why a neutral would only have one shot or be restricted in his shots unless it's some strange win condition. I still think scum!CeeCee is unlikely but if he can't shoot next day phase and doesn't give a satisfactory explanation I'll definitely advocate for his lynch.you think you can all mock my formatting without retort because of a silly post limit?
y'all wrong, and ya basic.
So are you lynching him because you cant trust him or do you think he could be scum/neutral
If the latter, have you thought of an explanation for his D1 play?
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I find it funny how "I'm working under a set of assumptions to ground my thoughts and who I give my attention to" turned somehow into me having a "pro-Brazil hard stance". Plenty of people seem to be town-reading him, why is me working off that seemingly so alarming?Fireblend taking a hard stance that Brazil is town just for the shot, it is a weird take because scum Brazil had many options and could easily find a town to hit. The fact that Brazil did not really threaten anyone else or show signs of pressuring elsewhere makes his claim he was evaluating other shots dubious. Remember he held it until the end of day and only questioned Terra, like he had made up his mind before Terra responded so nothing he said perhaps outside of claiming a PR was going to change his mind.
Fireblend has been quite elusive the whole game, throwing in comments here or there. He isn't where I would push today but I don't have him in my top town.
Sucks to see nin go like that. He even said he was keeping notes about everyone too. I confess I now have thoughts that both Kawl and nin couldn't keep up with the thread and scum chat at the same time, but I'll try and suppress these until we see something from the replacement.
Okay, so:
I'm not sure I buy Fran's claim, but at least it's a fairly easily provable one either way so I won't dwell on that too much right now.
I believe he has a taste for testing players he wants to trust to see if his expectations align with the response he is given, and I've seen him do that with me.*Author's note: nin was not keeping notes
So yeah, Brazil's read on you was too specific for any of us to really comment on. You think he's town because the logic was toundabout but does the logic actually make sense to you? Has he used logic like this before to read you?
Not a joke at all haha. I don't even try making jokes in English anymore since I know I suck at writing.This is... weird and feels kinda forced. Like who ever has to keep up with scumchat? If you miss something, people will tell you. If you'd been scumreading nin (and there's plenty of reason to look hard at an inactive Kawl/nin game), I don't think I'd have given this a second thought, but in #2472 you said you had no feelings whatsoever. I don't know, maybe this is in line with your mod joke with Sophia and all your jokes are falling flat this week.
As I promised here are some reads based in how I'm leaning today (in not particular order):
Don't want to lynch (unless someone makes a really good case why I should):
Sorian: Honestly I always see red when I'm playing with Sorian but the way that he came with a theory about why I could be scum with an override seems townie. I think that if he were scum and knew that I'm town and not lying he will just roll with it. Why try to antagonize someone who can lynch you? Even more when it's me, and he knows that nothing would give me us much joy as lynching him. I agree with some post from him and don't like others but I don't think he has a hidden agenda this time (and now that I finished writing this I feel really dirty).
I find it funny how "I'm working under a set of assumptions to ground my thoughts and who I give my attention to" turned somehow into me having a "pro-Brazil hard stance". Plenty of people seem to be town-reading him, why is me working off that seemingly so alarming?
And I've got bad news about the elusiveness, because next week I'm on a business trip and I'll barely be able to post.
man the one thing that sucks about a day like today is that if there is scum in the running to get lunched the rest of the team are probably gonna just go with whatever and hope the leader does their dirty work for them
how the fuck did you guys have brazil as the second choice after a post like this
you are all suspect
Scum
You, fantomas. There's something off about the way that you've been spreading doubt around on others. You are right that this is how I played conspiracy, but before when I was acting goofier, you were already talking about how similar it was. It feels like you've been throwing out a lot of reasons and seeing what others will latch onto. And I'm not sure I like it.
Ceecee - same sentiments as others here, I don't know how ceecee plays though so this might just be strange normal plays
Alright, caught up. For now, I'll just say that it'll be pretty funny if I'm the one who gets lynched today.
Yep, which is why I replied as such. Won't make a comment on anything that happened or was discussed while I was gone, then. What's the relevant discussion now?
Obviously, but Fireblend is the one who told me to drop the topic. But now he wants me to continue with the topic. Mixed messages.
Going back to this, I think this would be interesting information for CeeCee to divulge. It should be innocuous enough that it'd be fine.
As others have said, this is a weird one. It's a weird thing to specifically look for PRs (referring to both comments around Geno and Flux/Fran), and it's even weirder that you openly stated you think someone has a PR. I'm not really seeing much reason for a town-aligned person to do that as you have in this post.
@turmoil7 do you want to expand on your thoughts here a little to try and walk me through?
Why are you focusing on Fireblend's kill list here?
Also, why didn't you think CeeCee would die?
I should probably comment a bit on why I didn't vote during the night. I didn't forget that I could vote, but I really didn't have a preference for a game. I briefly considered voting for Price is Right because Cthulhu seemed a bit strange to pick early, but then I thought seeing everyone go insane would be hilarious as well.Malus: I don't have much on Malus but he didn't voting during the night phase gave me town feels. Like a townie with no night action who just forgot that he could do a vote during the night.
Honestly, whoever ends up in this slot better bring the heat because it's starting to feel like a liability if this level of play continues.nin has dropped out of the game
I'm looking for a replacement.
I'm not sure how notable this is when it had already been pointed out by several other players to be honest.I do townread this post. He picks up on the PR thing and again as I said, the ignorance of Fran/Chuggs is reading as uninvested to me, which I'd consider town more than scum.
So are you thinking Geno was killed for his reads or is this more just a general observation?Also just so it doesn't get lost:
Geno's scum list was Fireblend and Zubz
He also had some suspicion on Kawl/Nin/???
1) I guess if the crux of your issue is the swing from Fire then sure, that at least makes more sense. It's a valid point I hadn't really considered.And I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that sentiment but there's two problems with Febe's argument.
1) He wasn't even sold on Brazil being Town on Day 1, something he admitted himself. The only reason he flipped is because he took a shot he would have done (killing a townie) and going against his initial Scumread would've been 'a lot easier' if he was Scum. Now if Febe came out and had been Townreading Brazil since Day 1 I would say this is different but he essentially did a 180 with a strong enough conviction to take Brazil out as a possible Scum player. That's a big change for little reason.
2) I get you can't operate in this game assuming everyone is out to get you but there is a big difference between Town reading someone and sort of trusting them enough and giving them space to trusting someone so much you think that players who were against them are Scum. The former you can keep in your peripherals as you play while the latter is resting on a lot of trust for someone you aren't 100% sure of.
good divine being
kill cee
two days of lying, obfuscation and a bunch of nothing in between
"not trying to cop out" and next post does not even bother to explain the whole whoops where did my shots go did anyone see my shots HALP! -bit
2/30
And the longer Cee lives, the deeper the paranoia about a Fran-Brazil-Cee-whoknows -scum team keep on going.
Who is protecting who and why? Is Cee a neutral and Chuggs' scum BP?
Geno wanted to kill Cee. Geno is dead. And this wine in front of me is yumyum.
in our next episode, less #hottakes and more reading
I should probably comment a bit on why I didn't vote during the night. I didn't forget that I could vote, but I really didn't have a preference for a game. I briefly considered voting for Price is Right because Cthulhu seemed a bit strange to pick early, but then I thought seeing everyone go insane would be hilarious as well.
I should probably comment a bit on why I didn't vote during the night. I didn't forget that I could vote, but I really didn't have a preference for a game. I briefly considered voting for Price is Right because Cthulhu seemed a bit strange to pick early, but then I thought seeing everyone go insane would be hilarious as well.
2019 goals is that maybe someone will say something nice about me without adding a qualifier on, just once.
You have good taste in games.2019 goals is that maybe someone will say something nice about me without adding a qualifier on, just once.
man, okay, Fando, I'm about to be Pedantic Monkey, Queen of Nitpicks here (but also your English is more than fine from all the times I've played with you, btw). nin often says he's going to have big catchup posts; sometimes they happen, sometimes they don't. You also post a lot more than nin, usually, in terms of volume-in-post and volume-by-post, so your struggles aren't nin's struggles. That's fine, though; I get what you're saying and I'd write it off here but then you basically say JK IT WAS USELESS WE'LL GET A REPLACEMENT LA LA LA which begs the question: if what you were saying doesn't matter, why say it at all?Not a joke at all haha. I don't even try making jokes in English anymore since I know I suck at writing.
I really didn't scum read nin. I was actually looking forward for his entry in the game and he did say he was keeping notes about each and every player that was coming up for his big catch up post, but he subbed out before sharing any of that with us.
RL happens and there could be a million other things that made him and Kawl seek a replacement, but I know I've struggled in the past keeping up with both the thread and the scum chat in the past, so I had that thought in the back of my head. Like I said, I don't think this point is worth discussing about and when Bear finds a replacement we will have other topics to talk about.
Please tell me why Flux is town. Draw a picture, something. I have plenty of ideas on both sides but if you're gonna say this I wanna see more support.Right now I'm leaning town on Flux so from my POV that list doen't look good, also zubz is last, who I don't have reasons to trust.
This is interesting but that would be a lot of wide open powerwolfing and I don't know if I see that.And the longer Cee lives, the deeper the paranoia about a Fran-Brazil-Cee-whoknows -scum team keep on going.
Who is protecting who and why? Is Cee a neutral and Chuggs' scum BP?
Can we keep malus? I like him.I should probably comment a bit on why I didn't vote during the night. I didn't forget that I could vote, but I really didn't have a preference for a game. I briefly considered voting for Price is Right because Cthulhu seemed a bit strange to pick early, but then I thought seeing everyone go insane would be hilarious as well.
I'm hoping for Zeke. ZEKE ZEKE ZEKEHonestly, whoever ends up in this slot better bring the heat because it's starting to feel like a liability if this level of play continues.
I think you are a pretty okay dude, Sorian.2019 goals is that maybe someone will say something nice about me without adding a qualifier on, just once.
Right now I think the more likely explanation is power role hunting or a low info kill, but I feel reads from mafia killed players are often forgotten too quickly. This early in the game it's more a general observation than an accusation however.So are you thinking Geno was killed for his reads or is this more just a general observation?
Too #hottake for me. I still don't see how a CeeCee lynch is going to do anything other than quell people's fears. For all the work people have put in to try and explain why CeeCee just had to claim credit before taking that Stan shot, none of them actually make any sense. Of course the answer could just be he made a bad play and that's all but the other stuff around the role still smells like neutral is the worst case here and sue me but I'm not caring about neutrals right now especially one that can kill.
Also the Geno stuff is whatever, I doubt scum went out of their way to kill Geno just because he was so on board with lynching CeeCee, that's a weak kill to just protect someone that a lot of people in this game want dead anyway.
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2019 goals is that maybe someone will say something nice about me without adding a qualifier on, just once.
Okay, pure 100% God's honest truth.
I am town day vig, that's all true. However, I only had the one shot.
The stuff about having 3 shots was to try and bait scum to NK me rather than someone valuable.
if you listen closely, you can hear Stan yelling all the way from the spec chatOkay, pure 100% God's honest truth.
I am town day vig, that's all true. However, I only had the one shot.
The stuff about having 3 shots was to try and bait scum to NK me rather than someone valuable.
CeeCee sit in the bad corner with sawneeks and absolutbro.
Look at the wall.
Be ashamed.
Would like to see the flip now, if ceecee is what he says he is then there must be more killing powers.
Thank you, those are some good points, and I'm definitely going to ISO Flux today. Luckily with how slow the thread is going I think I should be able to do a few good rereads and get some new thoughts down before I get an updated read list out based on today.Flux has been sheeping a lot of people's opinions throughout the game and kind of leaving the ideas hanging when there's no one talking about them anymore. The Sophia stuff right before she replaced is what put her on my radar but he's done it with a few things like some of the leader votes that were put forwards. Flip flopping back and forth with the wind on CeeCee's claim and how to handle him. Even today feeding a soft PR and/or name claim (which I still think no one followed up on when I asked about it) which is less since there's a post count today but it certainly doesn't make me feel better.
Yeah fair enough, I suppose what I meant was that it just felt a bit over the top of an explanation when you could have just said "Eh, I'm town reading Brazil now".That's what I said. I feel like the "hard justification" was just a followup to Sneek's assertion of "scum would know Brazil's town", with me replying with the way I'd think scum would do with that knowledge. Obviously that's projected into me in my reply because I'm the one replying.
Am sad to see Nin go too. However,Sucks to see nin go like that. He even said he was keeping notes about everyone too. I confess I now have thoughts that both Kawl and nin couldn't keep up with the thread and scum chat at the same time, but I'll try and suppress these until we see something from the replacement.
This is true.
I've gotten the feeling a couple of times now that Zubz is kind of sheeping me a bit. I'm going to ISO them and get those thoughts out later, but that's the feeling I've gotten when they show up and I'm around.This post is so weirdly phrased. Saying you "forgot" that KetKat was "holding out reads" makes it sound like a objective fact. And that is the main reason for your scum read too? Did you interact with her on this matter previously?
Fantomas: Unsure about Fanto. I think that he is playing too much in the middle ground trying to play really safe.
I just wanted to point out that these are the reads on me that I agree with the most right now. Not Ketkat's, she's Scum and that's just OMGUS, but Faddy's own observation on me there I like. I have been playing things safe, mainly because when I look around the room I see a lot of veteran players and a lot of situations I have not found myself in yet, so I'm trying to lean on my Town reads a lot more than I normally would, especially this early.I have similar thoughts about Fantomas. I don't believe the amount of reads they have is genuine. I think this game is particularly tough to get a view on because of the lack of meaningful votes.
Other than Chugg being Town for the claim, I agree with a lot of this. As mentioned above, Flux and Zubz are definitely ISO targets for me, so I'll get plenty of thoughts on them down later. I'll maybe add Kyan to that list too just because I've been town leaning on him for a while and want to see why I feel that way for sure.I think there are lots of people in this game that are coasting by doing very little. KetKat is still in that bunch. Zubz, kyan, malus, AB.
I have stronginsh town reads in FRan, Chugs CeeCee for the claims and how they happened. Cabot is my top pure town read, I still like Fandorin. Add Sorian and Natiko to round it out. I would have said Blarg but he is on a nonsense spree today.
Scum are in the coasting group. Then Fluxwavez is my top scum read. I like Sorian's pint that he has been sheeping reads. He also has a weird tone in a lot of his posts that feel defensive but also sort of mocking.
And you should have!
Who do I need to bribe to make this happen?