The things that are problems now were already problems before that (aside from Hogaak of course). The London Mulligan makes for a better player experience, so I'd rather preserve that over the cards that become problems.Maaaaaaybe the London Mulligan rule is also part of the problem?
I think it's been pretty bad in Vintage and Modern. When most decks are focused on finding some linear combination of pieces, digging the extra card(s) on mulls makes them problematically consistent imo.Maaaaaaybe the London Mulligan rule is also part of the problem?
And your solution is to ban Cryptic Command? lolI argue control is lackluster because games are often over before control can establish its plan. You have to do something to get games to go longer for control to have a place in the format.
At the PT there's also open decklists that adds to this problemMaaaaaaybe the London Mulligan rule is also part of the problem?
Yeah man, and I stand by it. In a vacuum? No, I wouldn't do that. But it's one piece in a 7 part plan. My suggestions were all planned in a way to hopefully slow the format down. On top of that, you slot Archmage's Charm in it's place and you have a card that can be played a FULL TURN EARLIER, potentially speeding up the relevance of control and allowing them to establish control sooner.
The things that are problems now were already problems before that (aside from Hogaak of course). The London Mulligan makes for a better player experience, so I'd rather preserve that over the cards that become problems.
Archmage's Charm is in no way comparable to Cryptic Command. Also, that logic is flawed. If people wanted to play Archmage's Charm because it's a turn faster, people would have already done so with or without Cryptic in the format.Aidan is right, but I don't see them taking the mulligan back for a while if at all. It's much much MUCH better for Standard.
Yeah man, and I stand by it. In a vacuum? No, I wouldn't do that. But it's one piece in a 7 part plan. My suggestions were all planned in a way to hopefully slow the format down. On top of that, you slot Archmage's Charm in it's place and you have a card that can be played a FULL TURN EARLIER, potentially speeding up the relevance of control and allowing them to establish control sooner.
I disagree that they're not comparable. I understand that Cryptic is the better card. That's not something I'm arguing against, and I think have made my opinion known that I feel like it's a bit too good and as such is too ubiquitous. This is the reason people won't play Charm instead of it, why pick the worse card, even if it's a tad faster? But if we're slowing the format down a bit, I think also forcing Control to speed up is only good for it. Sometimes you have to tear something down to build something better in its spot.Archmage's Charm is in no way comparable to Cryptic Command. Also, that logic is flawed. If people wanted to play Archmage's Charm because it's a turn faster, people would have already done so with or without Cryptic in the format.
I saw an Eldrazi Tron list that was not playing Tron, just Temples and a bunch of ultility lands (Mutavault, Cavern, Blast Zone, Ghost Quarter, etc) and it looked very cool. I would be down for the colorless decks to turn into that.Eldrazi Tron is a thing and doesn't need Stirrings though, so even if the card is busted it's not mandatory to make a tron lands build feasible, and aside for those there's not any other card in that deck that can be considered busted except Chalice. Probably ban also Expedition Map so it's not as easy to assemble tron in turn 3? Otherwise as long as tron lands are legal and easy/cheap to tutor along with 6+ mana colorless threats there's always going to be some way to make the combination busted.
I saw an Eldrazi Tron list that was not playing Tron, just Temples and a bunch of ultility lands (Mutavault, Cavern, Blast Zone, Ghost Quarter, etc) and it looked very cool. I would be down for the colorless decks to turn into that.
Funnily enough, I think if you really want to neuter Tron decks, ban Balista. Gives those decks an early game play that seems like it always 2-for-1s and is a late game Mana sink and wincon all in one, giving these colorless decks waaaay more reach than they ever had before. Let them win with Wurmcoils honestly.
They could always just unban twin and see if it actually does police the meta. Can't be any worse than it is now. Worse comes to worst, van Deceiver Exarch so people can actually kill the combo with Bolt.A ban on Ballista would also screw up with Hardened Scales and some Affinity builds, along with vizier infinite mana combo. Anyway, we're back full circle: either ban a lot of busted cards at once or the player base will suffer a long game of "what's the next busted deck getting a piece banned" dragged on for months which is not exactly a good signal of a healthy format.
1. Stoneforge is not that powerful given what we have today, even with a Hogaak banningThey could always just unban twin and see if it actually does police the meta. Can't be any worse than it is now. Worse comes to worst, van Deceiver Exarch so people can actually kill the combo with Bolt.
I don't like the idea though of "ban everything that's too strong, let all the strong things get unbanned". If you ban Faithless Looting and Hogaak in the same breath as unbanning Splinter Twin and Stoneforge Mystic, it comes across less like you're looking for balance and more like you're just trying to tailor the meta into decks that feature Splinter Twin and Stoneforge Mystic. The idea of ban list changes shouldn't be to just replace the top decks.
Isn't Hogaak consistently quicker?Pretty sure Twin can easily beat Hogaak pre-board by just winning faster.
She still believed what she believed when she painted it no?Gerrard coming, but with Terese Nielsen art unfortunately. I guuueeesss this could still be from before her controversies picked up steam.
It's more that months ago, Nielsen posted a seemingly unprompted message about how she won't back down or something, and many assumed that was due to Wizards dropping her. She's shown up since in Modern Horizons and now this, which on the surface would contradict that assumption, but they also could have been commissioned and completed before Wizards could have felt the need to make a move.
Ah, never mind then.
I misunderstood what you were saying. I understand now!It's more that months ago, Nielsen posted a seemingly unprompted message about she won't back down or something, and many assumed that was due to Wizards dropping her. She's shown up since in Modern Horizons and now this, which on the surface would contradict that assumption, but they also could have been commissioned and completed before Wizards could have felt the need to make a move.
Gruul, not even once.I have a theory that Ghired, Conclave Exile became exiled from attempting to reproduce with rhinos.
Is this the Spikeiest possible card?
A ban on Ballista would also screw up with Hardened Scales and some Affinity builds, along with vizier infinite mana combo. Anyway, we're back full circle: either ban a lot of busted cards at once or the player base will suffer a long game of "what's the next busted deck getting a piece banned" dragged on for months which is not exactly a good signal of a healthy format.