Magic: The Gathering |OT| Throne of Eldraine - Will and Rowan's Excellent Adventure

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't put money in MTGO for years. Cube season keeps being generous to me.

I really have to quit doing Eldraine draft league tho. It's a money vacuum unless you open Oko or consistently 3-0. EV is horrendous.

I feel like leagues are more competitive now too. Maybe the more casual players have migrated to Arena.
 

bardo

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Jan 12, 2018
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I know this is stupid, but I cannot tell you how bummed I am WotC stopped making the player's guides.
 

Takuhi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bant Golos or Jeskai Fires with Fae of Wishes
I definitely second the latter recommendation. Threw together Fae of Wishes Jeskai Fires for the event and it was a blast. Went 8-2 despite it being the first time I ever played the deck. There's a lot of play to it but unlike a lot of the other interesting decks in the format the matches don't take long.
 

DarthOrange

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've never played Magic before in my life and I know nothing about it. But this knockoff Captain Marvel I saw looks neat and now I want to try.

I did use to play Yu-Gi-Oh when it first started but stopped before tunners/XYZ or any of the other stupid new mechanics were introduced. To those who have played both, are there any similarities? What do I buy if I want to be able to dip my toe in with someone else?

Core Set 2020 Planeswalker Deck - Chandra - This one seems like it has the neat cover person I wanted, but is this same deck bundled with the two pack below?​
Spellslinger Starter Kit Core Set 2020 - I guess if 20 sided dice are needed I should probably get this since I don't have any of those lying around, plus it will let me mess around with someone else.​
Core Set 2020 Deck Builder’s Toolkit - Is this also helpful/needed?​

Real talk, I could probably do a bit more homework and figure it out but I kinda just want to order something and have it arrive tomorrow and figure it out from there. If there is something else that is better recommended for newcomers, I'm all ears.
 
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SigmasonicX

SigmasonicX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Core Set 2020 Planeswalker Deck - Chandra - This one seems like it has the neat cover person I wanted, but is this same deck bundled with the two pack below?
This is a different deck than what's included in the below.

Planeswalker Decks are targeted toward beginners, so it would be a fine choice.

Spellslinger Starter Kit Core Set 2020 - I guess if 20 sided dice are needed I should probably get this since I don't have any of those lying around, plus it will let me mess around with someone else.
These decks are intended for players that need to be walked through a game. If you have someone else to play with, and you're both beginners, then this could be fine to buy, but it's primarily for teaching.

You don't need it, but it gets you a big starting collection of cards.
 

Buttzerker

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Oct 25, 2017
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Welp, got knocked out at 4-2 by a Field of the Dead deck when I got mana-locked, but got a Stonecoil Serpent at least.

 

Izzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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This type of big prize event is pretty rare. I'm trying to remember the last similar event but my memory is hazy. I believe was a buy-in with gold with huge payout of packs at the end... maybe sometime prior to the launch of M20? Don't expect them to show up often, and don't worry about your results, it's more of a test of luck than skill.
 

Bigkrev

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, the Field of the Dead decks are just cancer right now. I've been fooling around with various decks on Arena- various flavors of Jeskai fires, the Food deck, Stax- and they just all have putrid matchups against Field of the Dead because your only real weapon out of the Sideboard is Ashiok, who's expensive and can be easily answered by a single token. This format desperatly needs a Tectonic Edge, or a banning
 
Oct 26, 2017
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No changes and they’re right to make none. Standard is too new and needs a little time to see if it can be sorted. Everything else seems healthy.
 

Buttzerker

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With a perfect draw I can beat a field of the dead deck pretty easily because I'm running legion's end, questing beast, great henge, and a lot of removal.

But it requires absolutely perfect draws for me against them able to basically tutor literally everything they need out of their deck at will. It's not a favorable matchup.

The primary problem as someone pointed out is that every other deck at some point once to stop drawing lands because they need to keep their momentum going. Field decks never have dead draws like that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I wish they’d experiment with solutions for times like this. Why not insert a card into a format instead of banning them? Like if they made Field of Ruin an emergency standard playable card what’s the worst that could happen, especially since it was just in the previous Standard? Just print a few thousand as event entry rewards and ship them to stores to get them into circulation to keep the price down. I’m sure this is a crazy thought.
 
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More stuff we knew, but collected in one place. One neat tidbit is that during vision design, they have overlapping versions of the same effect, like Pacifism, to see which works better.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I wish they’d experiment with solutions for times like this. Why not insert a card into a format instead of banning them? Like if they made Field of Ruin an emergency standard playable card what’s the worst that could happen, especially since it was just in the previous Standard? Just print a few thousand as event entry rewards and ship them to stores to get them into circulation to keep the price down. I’m sure this is a crazy thought.
I kinda don’t like the idea but on the other hand, it would work. I’m afraid it’s a slippery slope.
 

TAFAE

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Aug 27, 2018
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No changes anywhere makes sense mostly. Standard is too new, even though I'm much higher on the idea of FotD eating a ban in the near future after seeing it this weekend. I think Modern has the shadow of a Mox Opal ban looming over it, but it hasn't quite become oppressive enough just yet. The Jeskai Ascendancy version of Paradoxical Outcome Urza might be the thing that does it, but who knows really? I don't know what's going on in Legacy or Vintage, besides the fact that whatever mono-brown deck will eventually become singleton-plus-4x-Mishra's Workshops as more potentially breakable artifacts and artifacts-matter cards get printed. I don't have a finger on the pulse of Pauper or anything, but not banning Arcum's Astrolabe (and Ephemerate?) seems like the one big miss today based on all the talk I've seen. It takes away so much of the cost for going multicolored in a format where the mana is supposed to be not great.

We'll see if Standard can adapt to FotD decks, but with aggro looking nearly dead in the format and not much that deals with lands, it seems like the outlook is poor. On the Arena Decklists podcast last week Bryan and Gerry got into this a little bit, but with the advent of Arena, people are able to solve Standard much quicker than ever before. They speculated that Wizards should maybe move up the PT's and MC's as a result of this, so that they aren't showing a "solved" format. Maybe Wizards ought to look at both doing that and also doing a B&R a week afterwards in the event that it's needed to ensure the health of Standard.
 

cagey

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Oct 27, 2017
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At a minimum Golos should get banned immediately and let the format deal with Field decks that lack the tutoring and CA engine.

I've been playing Field and/or Brolos since M20 and the format is definitely not good right now without good ways to hate this out without distorting deck construction.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can I just say that a card designed for Commander turning Standard on its head is fucking funny?
 
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Hogaak was the same thing in Modern too, just a few months ago!
Hogaak was designed for Modern, not Commander, and I have Modern theorycrafting messages between myself and a friend before the set launched to prove it. I bet a lot of people have that for Hogaak. No one could have predicted Golos would be this playable in standard.
 

TAFAE

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Hogaak was designed for Modern, not Commander, and I have Modern theorycrafting messages between myself and a friend before the set launched to prove it. I bet a lot of people have that for Hogaak. No one could have predicted Golos would be this playable in standard.
I don't have a link or anything, but I remember hearing that play design or whoever else from development said they thought it was going to be a cool Commander card but not see constructed play. Not just referring to the initial reaction from the playerbase.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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They're really pushing those Commander cards nowadays, huh? lol
They have to. The Commander player base is getting bigger and bigger.

They really should try to limit pushed Commander cards to supplemental products though. They printed Leovold in Conspiracy, which did wreck havoc in Legacy until DRS got banned. Hilariously enough, Leovold ended up getting banned in Commander.
 
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I don't have a link or anything, but I remember hearing that play design or whoever else from development said they thought it was going to be a cool Commander card but not see constructed play. Not just referring to the initial reaction from the playerbase.
If that’s what they thought they were waaaay off base. I was immediately trying to figure out how to get him out turn 1 the very second I saw him spoiled.

I often question play/design lately.
 

Metal Slugger

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I would rather have pushed cards that might need standard bans than to have a bunch of weak shit that isn't useful in eternal formats. This time next year Golos will still be a good EDH card while Standard players will be slobbing over whatever new netdeck they can misplay.
 

Yeef

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Oct 25, 2017
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If that’s what they thought they were waaaay off base. I was immediately trying to figure out how to get him out turn 1 the very second I saw him spoiled.

I often question play/design lately.

We often design cards to fill multiple roles. Rather than design a card whose sole job is tier 1 Standard card, Limited bomb, or Commander staple, we have better results when we design cards that can be fun in many settings. When Play Design started playtesting M20 Standard, we looked at this clearly Commander-pointed card and thought it looked like a really fun design for Standard. We playtested and iterated on it until we were happy with its Standard power level and satisfied it was still an appealing commander. Finding any land was important for Commander, and strong stats were important for Standard. We ended up with a really fun card.
 

The Adder

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My monoblack deck handles Golos no problem except, ironically, a monoblack Golos build I've seen and don't think my deck could handle.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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Man, the fact that you can't even playtest decks to see if you even enjoy playing it with cards you don't have against the bots in Arena is fucking bunk. Especially with how punishing it is to waste rare and mythic wild cards.
 

Steve Winwood

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Oct 31, 2017
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Sperling's Sick of It - Throne of Eldraine Edition

Great Sick of It for this set. Agree with pretty much all his criticism.

Early days, but for me this set is looking rough on all axes. Constructed: more dumb three-mana PWs; silly, obviously-pushed mythics; inconsistent design. The limited format seems to be the worst of both worlds, where the games are long, drawn-out slogs that are still hugely dependent on bomb rares/uncommons. And I really don't like the trend of printing more and more cards that are Standard-legal without appearing in regular boosters.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ha! I had that come up in draft where a Knight token with no race mattered. I was like what? It clearly looks human!

Also yeah Oko is super duper dumb and I don't even play Standard.
 
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Sperling's Sick of It - Throne of Eldraine Edition

Great Sick of It for this set. Agree with pretty much all his criticism.

Early days, but for me this set is looking rough on all axes. Constructed: more dumb three-mana PWs; silly, obviously-pushed mythics; inconsistent design. The limited format seems to be the worst of both worlds, where the games are long, drawn-out slogs that are still hugely dependent on bomb rares/uncommons. And I really don't like the trend of printing more and more cards that are Standard-legal without appearing in regular boosters.
That article pretty bad, TBH
 

Buttzerker

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm happy to see more midrange focus but the simple fact they created a hugely pushed creature to destroy Planeswalkers [Questing Beast] in a set, and all 3 Planeswalkers they added can't actually be killed by it due to their insane loyalty...

That basically sums up the set.