The Conspiracy sets are set there.
The Conspiracy sets are set there.
Theros notably went above people's head with the references a lot of times and wasn't that popular IIRC.Let me put it this way: Theros didn't give us a card called "Heliod, Lightning God King"
It took themes and character concepts from Greek mythology and made new things based on those things.
This set is giving us "literally the thing from the fairytale, but we changed the name".
It doesn't feel interconnected with itself, let alone the other, Arthurian Legend, half of the set. And it doesn't feel like Magic's take on classic fairytales, it feels like a fairytale version of that fanmade Star Ward set that one guy did.
I don't think Theros' problem was the mythology being too hidden, though I do wonder if the Greek mythology stuff is really popular enough to carry a product even if it were more direct. I feel like it just wasn't that exciting of a set that was followed up by two weaksauce expansions. That said, I feel like this set being closer to a direct analog might increase its popularity with casuals or even non-Magic folk.Theros notably went above people's head with the references a lot of times and wasn't that popular IIRC.
You're thinking Kamigawa. The unpopular part of Theros was Born of the Gods because it was a really bad small set. Theros overall was popular just not Earth shatteringly so.Theros notably went above people's head with the references a lot of times and wasn't that popular IIRC.
This is what I'm missing. This stuff is so on the nose that I'm looking for any kind of diegetic or metatextual explanation for why this stuff is happening in Eldraine, for why all the magic here is whimsical.The fairy tale side does feel oddly disconnected, yeah. With the Arthurian stuff, you can tell there's an internal history to the world. On the fairy tale side, there is no history. Everything is happening right now, and nothing happened in the past.
I wouldn't call it working out when there's almost no legendaries from Theros people remember but part of that is surely most of them being trash.Theros came upon the solution of leaving the more obscure references to rare, and in that regard, I think that worked out. Kamigawa was the "what even is this" block. Theros's problems were entirely on a card design level, and choosing not to have anything interesting storywise happen in the second set.
I can name 10I wouldn't call it working out when there's almost no legendaries from Theros people remember but part of that is surely most of them being trash.
Here's what I think I'm missing: why are there so many one-offs in Eldraine? All the fairy tale stuff doesn't feel like worldbuilding, it just feels like weird stuff that happens to be occurring. The full set review could prove me wrong, but I don't get a sense that these fairy tale tropes are pointing at anything consistent underlying them.for most of these stories, there isn't actually a way to convey the meaning of the fairy tale AND put an original spin on it AND keep the cards simple
the reason innistrad worked well for these kinds of designs was because they got to choose both halves (theme & mechanics), so they could be flexible with either part to make the whole card work
here they're stuck with really complicated themes and can only add 3 mechanics to magic's base rules to convey them. you're not going to get more than 5-10% of the fairy tale across in a card, and it's hard to satisfy 100% of people that way
i think they could have gotten the camelot stuff done right if they had an entire set for it. my main gripe with this set is that it's spread too thin across too much different stuff. it's a good approach for a supplemental product, but i'd prefer a deeper dive for the standard expansions
but at the end of the day, as long as the cards play well i won't really care
Ah, that's what you meant earlier.This is what I'm missing. This stuff is so on the nose that I'm looking for any kind of diegetic or metatextual explanation for why this stuff is happening in Eldraine, for why all the magic here is whimsical.
The gods are pretty popular.I wouldn't call it working out when there's almost no legendaries from Theros people remember but part of that is surely most of them being trash.
You a big Theros fan or somethin??This thread is officially off-the-rails ridiculous. What the fuck people.
"Nobody remembers the Legendaries from this set, not counting the most major, front facing legendaries" seems pretty silly to me.
sure, or I'm clarifying what I meant. I'm talking about the triads of fate, the king macars, the RW pair whose name I can't even recall or know what they are referencing.
there are unmemorable cards from every set, though. so if that's what you originally meant it's not very illuminating imo.sure, or I'm clarifying what I meant. I'm talking about the triads of fate, the king macars, the RW pair whose name I can't even recall or know what they are referencing.
Dragons that only hoard tend to pack on pounds.Also it's pretty funny that literally every other colour has big hasty creatures but the dragon doesn't lmao
sure, or I'm clarifying what I meant. I'm talking about the triads of fate, the king macars, the RW pair whose name I can't even recall or know what they are referencing.
There are unmemorable cards in every set but a set that's drawing on the likes of Herakles, Orpheus, Leonidas, Achilles, Pandora, Helena,... for legends shouldn't have troubles making memorable ones beyond what the gods ended up beingthere are unmemorable cards from every set, though. so if that's what you originally meant it's not very illuminating imo.
sure, or I'm clarifying what I meant. I'm talking about the triads of fate, the king macars, the RW pair whose name I can't even recall or know what they are referencing.
That's them but who are they supposed to be Greek history/mythology?
I mean, it's not like they're consistent in how they design dragons.
That's them but who are they supposed to be Greek history/mythology?
Wizards is apologizing for previewing Trapped in the Tower on 9/11 and removed it from their preview article today.
Wizards is apologizing for previewing Trapped in the Tower on 9/11 and removed it from their preview article today.
I have to imagine that it's a cost reduction instead of making it totally free thanks exclusively to Hammer Time being in Standard.
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So then, maybe they did this in other recent sets too, but now this set introduces two subtypes with rules meaning, Adventure and Food. That like, never happened before!