I don't think so, buddy. Unless it's at his own expense. Both Sakura-Tribe Elder and Harmonize have been reprinted several times in the Commander precons over the years.
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Magic: The Gathering |OT| Throne of Eldraine - Will and Rowan's Excellent Adventure
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As a person who buys the full set of Commander decks every year:
I'm not even sure if I want any of this stuff?
I'm not even sure if I want any of this stuff?
I'm really curious about the wording on (Theros spoiler) Chainweb Aracnir. It escapes with three +1/+1 counters on it? If that means what it sounds like it means -- it gets those counters once you cast it for its Escape cost -- would that mean it has them while it's on the stack? So, would it count as a creature spell with power 4 for things that care, like Sarkahn's Unsealing? These are the kinds of things I wonder about when I see new cards. Templating. Lol.
I don't think it's a creature spell, it's an ability to bring it back. but outside of that, I think the creature is what it is, counters are counters for a reason (the base card itself doesnt change).
I'm just following other people. I'm only just getting back into it after a 4 (and then something like 10 before that) year hiatus. I don't know how online communities typically deal with new releases in that way.
That is a good rule of thumb but there's a card called skullbriar that specifically keeps counters in none hidden zones
That's right! I forgot about that little goober. I love how weird Magic is sometimes.
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If a creature enters the battlefield "with" +1/+1 counters, then an effect that cares about power 4 or greater will notice it. Think of 0/0 creatures that enter the battlefield with counters; they don't die before they get counters.
In the case of Sarkhan's Unsealing however, it won't trigger since its looking for the power of the creature on the stack.
I don't believe this is the case, per rule 122.1a.
The reason +1/+1 counters never exist outside the battlefield normally is because nothing puts +1/+1 counters on non-permanents, and permanents that have them lose them when they move zones due to rule 122.2. That's the rule that strongly implies Arcanir won't have them on the stack, I suppose. It's probably not worth breaking it just for this ridiculously tiny edge case. I'm sure "escapes with" will mean "ETBs with when cast for its escape cost" once the term gets defined in the comp rules.Comprehensive Rules said:
So really, I was just observing that the wording is ambiguous as printed on the card; I don't think this sort of interaction will ever actually matter.
(Especially since there doesn't seem to be a counterspell based on creature spell power... For some reason, I thought I remembered one, but now I can't find it on Scryfall. Oh well. They should print one of those, it'd be neat.)
I love MaRo but the endless parroting of his takes can be obnoxious.
"Oko's broken, but his +1 actually isn't removal because it leaves a 3/3 and when you think about it the creature isn't actually removed from the battlefield"
Like Jesus Christ, why are we still getting this opinion after he won a Legacy tournament by turning fucking Emrakul the Aeons Torn into a worthless Elk.
"Oko's broken, but his +1 actually isn't removal because it leaves a 3/3 and when you think about it the creature isn't actually removed from the battlefield"
Like Jesus Christ, why are we still getting this opinion after he won a Legacy tournament by turning fucking Emrakul the Aeons Torn into a worthless Elk.
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You may have noticed if you've participated in a Great Designer Search (especially the last one), but Wizards designers are kind of massive fucking pedants.
As such I'm not sure if he's trying to say it's not a problem, or just trying to "Well, actually..." because he's spotted a technicality to invoke.
As such I'm not sure if he's trying to say it's not a problem, or just trying to "Well, actually..." because he's spotted a technicality to invoke.
You dare suggest that these usually mediocre transformation effects are far better when they're an infinitely repeatable mode that cost no additional resources?
It's pretty funny he neglects to mention that Oko can also create a bunch of 3/3s from food tokens which is basically game over against traditional control decks.
There has to be a Wrath that can also kill Planeswalkers printed in the next two years, right?
There has to be a Wrath that can also kill Planeswalkers printed in the next two years, right?
Oko's Hubris
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Counter target activated ability. If an ability of a creature or planeswalker is countered this way, its controller sacrifices it.
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Counter target activated ability. If an ability of a creature or planeswalker is countered this way, its controller sacrifices it.
The Theros leaks are neat, but obviously we all know this means that spoiler season is ruined now. Which is kinda disappointing.
What's more disappointing? Boring-ass enchantment creatures. Just tacking the enchantment type on a pile of creatures is lame. Enchantment creatures should feel like enchantments. The Gods and Bestow were genius ways of dealing with this. The rest - not so much. I had the same problem with Born and Journey.
What's more disappointing? Boring-ass enchantment creatures. Just tacking the enchantment type on a pile of creatures is lame. Enchantment creatures should feel like enchantments. The Gods and Bestow were genius ways of dealing with this. The rest - not so much. I had the same problem with Born and Journey.
Perhaps someday they'll nail 'enchantments matter'.
More likely they'll overshoot the target and have to ban a dozen cards.
More likely they'll overshoot the target and have to ban a dozen cards.
I was good with creatures with global effects and constellation being Enchantment Creatures as well, even though normal creatures can have global effects. Still felt sufficiently enchantment to me. But yeah, vanilla Enchantment Creatures are the worst (though it's understandable why you'd want to convert some vanilla creatures into Enchantment Creatures for the sake of filling out Enchantments in the Enchantments Matter block)
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Not hate, I mean, if you play Commander, you play green somewhere at sometime. It's the literal best and even more the best when combined with blue. Which is why it's confusing to start by boosting green when, you know, white sits and cries in the corner.
They need to print more than Smothering Tithe for the collection first.
I hope that they go for an incremental approach given that they're planning to do these off-cycle and frequently. Something like 1 or 2 cards at a time. I could see the first one being maybe a little bit bigger to hit Cruise+DTT, part of cat combo, something in the G(x) ramp decks. I can't imagine Oko will be banned in Pioneer before he's banned in Standard, but that would really be something.
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centurosplaneswalker asked: What makes Beast Within Not Okay for dealing with creatures, but Kenrith's Transformation Just Fine?
There was much argument about whether it was okay. The fact is could be undone was what let us allow it as a severe bend but not a break.
October 30, 2019
centurosplaneswalker asked: Technically Beast Within can be undone, by Black, Green, and sometimes White, without even removing your 3/3. "It's an aura" is a weird justification when the alternative is a graveyard with more holes than the one on Theros.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards the Transfornation being a break in green.
October 31, 2019
mgmegadog asked: Why was Kenrith's Transformation made green in the first place? I understand it was a spell cast by Oko, but he's GU, and it's ABSOLUTELY in blue's slice of the pie.
Don't get me started. We wanted it in blue, but due to logistical factors, set design needed it in green. I wish we had pushed harder to move it to blue even if it required emergency art.
October 31, 2019
Seems like MaRo was more upset about Kenrith's Transformation than previously implied.
myheartgoesoontz asked: As one of the first people to have created a Commander Cube and pioneered discussions on the format, Commander Legends seems like a love letter written specifically to me. (So thanks!) Is it the "innovation product" for Magic in 2020, or are there other surprises up your sleeves?
Commander Legends is the innovation product for 2020.
October 30, 2019
lookingupanddown asked: Do you have any new designs in Commander Legends? If yes, how much?
I do not. I didn't work on that project.
October 31, 2019
nouser1000 asked: Is scry X, X being the ammount of life you gained, too much for white?
I'm interested in exploring higher scry effects for white.
October 30, 2019
Scry 60 incoming.
strangerside-blog asked: If for design reasons you had to push fight into a third color for a set, what color would that be? Could black fight at some additional cost (like life)?
I think white is more likely as a third color than black. Black's fourth though.
October 31, 2019
White fight could be interesting.
There was much argument about whether it was okay. The fact is could be undone was what let us allow it as a severe bend but not a break.
October 30, 2019
centurosplaneswalker asked: Technically Beast Within can be undone, by Black, Green, and sometimes White, without even removing your 3/3. "It's an aura" is a weird justification when the alternative is a graveyard with more holes than the one on Theros.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards the Transfornation being a break in green.
October 31, 2019
mgmegadog asked: Why was Kenrith's Transformation made green in the first place? I understand it was a spell cast by Oko, but he's GU, and it's ABSOLUTELY in blue's slice of the pie.
Don't get me started. We wanted it in blue, but due to logistical factors, set design needed it in green. I wish we had pushed harder to move it to blue even if it required emergency art.
October 31, 2019
Seems like MaRo was more upset about Kenrith's Transformation than previously implied.
myheartgoesoontz asked: As one of the first people to have created a Commander Cube and pioneered discussions on the format, Commander Legends seems like a love letter written specifically to me. (So thanks!) Is it the "innovation product" for Magic in 2020, or are there other surprises up your sleeves?
Commander Legends is the innovation product for 2020.
October 30, 2019
lookingupanddown asked: Do you have any new designs in Commander Legends? If yes, how much?
I do not. I didn't work on that project.
October 31, 2019
nouser1000 asked: Is scry X, X being the ammount of life you gained, too much for white?
I'm interested in exploring higher scry effects for white.
October 30, 2019
Scry 60 incoming.
strangerside-blog asked: If for design reasons you had to push fight into a third color for a set, what color would that be? Could black fight at some additional cost (like life)?
I think white is more likely as a third color than black. Black's fourth though.
October 31, 2019
White fight could be interesting.
I would laugh and note the absurdity of it but it also wouldn't surprise me at all. Oko is very oppressive against almost all creature decks. If the point of frontier is to be less combo-centric than Modern he can't stick around.
Sounds like Pioneer will have weekly announcements for a while, every monday, even if there is no change. They originally were treating this as an MTGO-only format and would do things at will, but they didn't realize
They created an insane demand for Pioneer by fucking up Standard so much. They didn't expect to get this much play this fast. It's not surprising.
"We wanted the creature morphing Aura from Throne to be in blue so bad but dEsIgN wouldn't let us."
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I think that's the exact reason, actually. They didn't want two transforming cards in blue at uncommon."We wanted the creature morphing Aura from Throne to be in blue so bad but dEsIgN wouldn't let us."
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Kasmina's Transmutation is basically the same card at common anyway, barring the creature type and colour.
I think I'd still ban Cruise, Dig, and Cat. But sure - we can wait for some more data I suppose. No real harm - yet.
I'm doing a booster draft at home this weekend. Which sets might be best for a sealed draft: Guilds of Ravnica or Ravnica Allegiance? I have tons of Throne, 2020, and Spark cards, so those are off the list.
Guilds was more fun imo. Also the chance for a Steam Vents is a plus
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