Think about what you just said, then look at the format warping card that was Smuggler's Copter.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT| War of the Spark - Enter the Bo-Las (36 Planeswalkers)
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Think about what you just said, then look at the format warping card that was Smuggler's Copter.
I mean it's neat to see them push out more vehicles, but all 3 so far seem underwhelming. I feel like they designed the Sub with Simic/Merfolk in mind. Easy to get 2 power to crew across Merfolk + Counters. I didn't play during the Kaladesh days so it's hard for me personally to evaluate Vehicles.
Some key differences in this theoretical card:
-The Copter cost 2 generic, letting it fit in any deck. UU is a world of difference.
-Crew 2 is substantially harder than Crew 1
-Two power instead of three
-Can't block fliers
-Not a discard outlet
I think the Submarine would be fine to print as unblockable
Looting is straight up worse than drawing. Discard outlet is almost worthless next to pure CA.
Copter was a mistake and it's obvious they overtuned this because of it.
This card shouldn't be unblockable. Even menace would be borderline (without considering color pie)
Copter was a mistake and it's obvious they overtuned this because of it.
This card shouldn't be unblockable. Even menace would be borderline (without considering color pie)
You can't make it unblockable - that's insane. You can't make it fly for flavor reasons. You can't make it islandwalk because landwalk is dumb.
What you could do is give it the clause "Discard a card: ~ can't be blocked this turn."
What you could do is give it the clause "Discard a card: ~ can't be blocked this turn."
Seems to me that an unblockable submarine would be slightly worse than Shadowmage Infiltrator, given the stricter color requirements and the need to have another 2-power creature out (which you also can't attack with).
I know people are traumatized by the Copter but this creature really could have had unblockable and still be fine. Thieving Magpie and Shadowmage were a thing for years and no one squawked about them being OP
I agree, the comparison isn't fair as they existed in different meta environments. Shadowmage Infiltrator and Thieving Magpie are 3 and 4 CMC respectively and they both have evasion but can still be blocked. This submarine would be much better than either of them with unblockable. Would it be format-warping? I don't think so but I wouldn't be surprised either. It would be incredibly strong.
Seems sad but true.
I wonder if we'll get another Blackblade?
Spark Double
New best clone? Only stuff you control, but copying a commander permanently is incredibly strong. Probably worse than Clever Imposter, but better in some decks.
Edit: To be clear, I don't have a source on this. Just saw it on reddit.
Edit: To be clear, I don't have a source on this. Just saw it on reddit.
I hope it's real. Doesn't it legend rule away whatever legendary anything it's copying though?New best clone?
Edit: To be clear, I don't have a source on this. Just saw it on reddit.
No. It's like Helm of the Host. You'd get to copy your commander and keep both copies. Worth noting that it only copies your creatures and planeswalkers, not an opponent's. Not as good on the second read, but still lots of potential to do some great stuff in EDH.
Fair. That is a notable loss of power. This is still really good though.
Do nonlegendary copies of planeswalkers get to share the field with the original of the same name?
Wasn't one of the elder dragons even in a same sex relationship?
Still better than landhome.
There have been hints that those two are into each other, but nothing fully confirmed.
There have been gay and trans characters in Magic in the online stories and books, but it's usually not something shown front and center on the cards. Here are two examples that have been on cards, though.
Gay:
Trans:
This was actually discussed on Discord earlier today. It's clear that there are a ton of LGBTQ supportive people at Wizards and writing the stories, and tons of LGBTQ characters are in the stories, but they won't become front and center due to higher ups not wanting to screw up their chances in China and such.
Wasn't one of the elder dragons even in a same sex relationship?
Still better than landhome.
I'm seeing a ton of vehicles and no equipment. Time will tell
Do nonlegendary copies of planeswalkers get to share the field with the original of the same name?
Wasn't one of the elder dragons even in a same sex relationship?
Still better than landhome.
There have been hints that those two are into each other, but nothing fully confirmed.
There have been gay and trans characters in Magic in the online stories and books, but it's usually not something shown front and center on the cards. Here are two examples that have been on cards, though.
Gay:
Trans:
This was actually discussed on Discord earlier today. It's clear that there are a ton of LGBTQ supportive people at Wizards and writing the stories, and tons of LGBTQ characters are in the stories, but they won't become front and center due to higher ups not wanting to screw up their chances in China and such.
Wasn't one of the elder dragons even in a same sex relationship?
Still better than landhome.
There will be at least one
Time will tell if it's a honed khopesh or not tho
Lol I just drafted Amonkhet the other night. Pulled two Khopeshes. Really nice lazy design on that one
edit: not Kaladesh lol AKH
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The laziest of designs. Give us a new colored artifact of power you cowards
If you're not going to print Islandwalk anymore (and you shouldn't), you probably shouldn't print submarines.
Mono-Blue is arguably already one of the best decks in the format. Why are you interested in giving it more tools?
Yes. Legendary rule only applies to other legendary permanents you control with the same name. Since the clone here is not legendary (a normal clone effect would copy the legendary aspect also), you could copy a legendary and retain control of both.
Enter the God-Eternals
/shrug
I hope there's more than that. Individual cards for each one would be great.
/shrug
I don't see anything. Is it this?
I think that's honestly rather decent.
I don't see anything. Is it this?
I think that's honestly rather decent.
It is that. Image shows up fine for me.
I have no idea what the Standard metagame looks like. I'm just saying that on paper, an unblockable submarine is comparable in power level to Shadowmage Infiltrator.
So maybe it's not printable as-is due to the metagame, that's something I hadn't considered. But in a vacuum I really think it'd be fine
/shrug
The wall of text makes it hard to realize how nuts this thing is. This is a Thragtusk-level card.
-4/4 creature
-Gain 4 life
-Kill a dude
-Mill someone for 4 (usually not relevant but could occasionally be good)
All for 5 mana? That's incredible value
And if you're not going to print Mountainwalk anymore, you probably shouldn't print the all new 2019 Chevy Silverado, one of the most dependable, long-lasting trucks on the market. With advanced safety features and the most towing capacity in its class. Chevy: Like a Rock.
I think you're seriously underselling it. The card offers insanely good value, especially in a control shell. For 5 mana you're geting a 2 or 3 for one swing against aggro strategies.
I also like the flavor of the card. There are four gods and you're doing four things, one for each of them, four times.
It's not comparable. It costs less, requires fewer colors, and dodges sorcery speed removal. "Shadowmage Infiltrator" already exists in Standard and it's called Thief of Sanity, and is already one of the best creatures in the format.
Enter the Gods is pretty bad in a control shell, but can imagine it being OK in some midrange Grixis shell. I think it needs a huge metagame shakeup, though, given how bad it is against current control and Reclamation decks. (And are you really going to use a sideboard slot against aggro on a five-mana sorcery non-wrath?)
Amass is going to feel real bad with any pacifism style "can't attack or block" or "enchanted creature doesn't untap" effect. You don't get to choose where the counters go, so subsequent amass counters just keep pumping your locked down guy. Maybe they will avoid this type of effect in the set so limited plays better?
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