Yeah sure cause Persona was really successful because of it's homophobic, and transphobic undertones.
Frankly I am willing to swallow the hard pill and expand the definition of what is "bannable". I've called for certain games/creators to be banned for far less than this (though I've never encountered something so bad as to want to make a formal mass petition until today). That's just me though.
Well Hashino didn't work on Persona 2 IIRC, so that helps a lot.
A game (or any work of art) can still have an OT and still be discussed in a critical way. It isn't a zero sum game.
This game is just poison, we pretty much have to either put in on the banlist ot allow it to be posted as is. There really isn't a middle ground. If someone wants to make a thread condemning the game, they should be allowed, But we don't need people discussing the games merits or putting it on a pedestal.
I'd be down for a limited ban. I just don't want all discussion shut down when it can be used as a learning tool. I want people to know how and why it's harmful. But I also don't want to do this at the expense of trans users. Ultimately, I want whatever benefits the trans community on Era the best.
This is wierd. 2 Years ago Innocent Sin was praised for its progressive choices. Demons in the Persona and SMT universe are manifestations of the collective unconsciousness. Given the context of that fact, and the games age it makes sense that the Demons might act that way. Portraying something negative is not endorsement of that negative thing. Especially when Persona is all about self actualization and rejection societal expectations.
If this got enough traction to the point that Hashimoto had to leave then no. No one is going to attempt to do that again especially when other developers under Atlus have never done anything like this.
My memory's a bit fuzzy on the npc, but I also remember a townperson that had writing that came off somewhat transphobic to me. It was a woman who seemed to have stereotypical 'I don't need no man' writing, and then she ends up getting a dick due to rumors.....I forgot exactly where the writing for it goes, but I remember thinking it seemed pretty offensive (Other people who played P2 might remember better).
Banning discussion is also banning condemnation of said content and that's stupid. Mods have already said that supporting transphobia is off the table. So why take away voices that have things to say against it?
I see. I have to say I disagree with this decision. But I appreciate that the staff took the time to hear our petition and make a formal response on the issue. And I am glad to see the notice added straight to the top of the OT.
Thank you.
I agree with this. I'm tired of Hashino's games getting a pass.
I'd say a much bigger issue is the "weird man" NPC in...one of the weapons shops? Her dialogue is all jokes about getting a vagina and wanting to show it off in public.
HylianSeven Can you add this to the OP? Because this context about Rin is just as, if not more important than the discussion concerning Erica and I feel this is currently being lost by most people.
