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Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)

Oct 25, 2017
11,145
Long Island
Unbelievably horrific news. All the best to victims and their families. I hope they manage to dig into the person or people who did this.


While everything seems absolutely fucked and hatred does appear to be everywhere, remember that when you look at the actual hard numbers, violence and crime and death and basically everything bad has been in decline for decades because we're always improving society (even if telecoms and the internet certainly doesn't make it feel like it)
Yeah but it almost seems like we traded a decline for these horrible spikes.
 

Rez

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,129
Anning representing the Australian government in any capacity is a profound national embarrassment that we don’t deserve to live down.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,223
They aren't actually doing anything illegal and 4chan has a record of complying with law enforcement (see: email hacking scandal). I don't really feel like going out of my way to defend either site but they only 'host' child pornography in the sense that their users post it and it's moderated fairly swiftly. That's no more or less than what reddit deals with, in purely legal terms. Most of the rest of the stuff exists in a grey area.
That is very hard to believe, based on what was posted in the THQ/8chan thread and what I've read online about it.
 
Oct 31, 2017
76
If he's extradited back to Australia (which he probably will be) he'll be buried by the courts.

I wonder if this will be New Zealand's Port Arthur moment.
I highly doubt he is getting out of prison alive.
The irony is that ScoMo has been exporting criminals out of Au back to their home country, if he ever gets released from Jail (that i doubt he will) would love NZ to ship him right back to Au.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,455
GTA (Toronto)
They aren't actually doing anything illegal and 4chan has a record of complying with law enforcement (see: email hacking scandal). I don't really feel like going out of my way to defend either site but they only 'host' child pornography in the sense that their users post it and it's moderated fairly swiftly. That's no more or less than what reddit deals with, in purely legal terms. Most of the rest of the stuff exists in a grey area.
They're still a platform for that shit. It's a tool that sick people can use to communicate and interact with other like-minded sick people. That alone you would think is reason enough to snuff it from existence.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,578
Easy to dismiss gun violence and hate crime when its other side of the world. A bit tougher when it's in my own backyard. I'm kinda scared to go back to synagogue. I want to live a long life. :/
Hey man, never let these bastards take you away from your religion.
I guarantee the Muslims will go to Friday prayer next week, as we always do. We can't give in to these terrorists.
And I understand the fear as I've had the thought pop up in my mind several times throughout the years.
Don't let them take this away from you.
 

M52B28

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Oct 26, 2017
1,794
There's a pathetic few that want to see the world immersed in another situation akin to the 1930s/1940s, but they don't realize that they will fold in half if we ever get to that point. Sadly, I'm desensitized to the initial scenes of violence. I haven't seen anything like what people are suggesting in the video in real life, but I'm angry at myself that I have grown so numb to the loss of life, considering my mind can only replay the gruesome scenes I've witnessed in real life, which will be considered minuscule in comparison.

At the same time, despite being a relatively non-violent person, I find myself wanting to bring hell to those posting on 8chan and other hate-based message boards. Regardless of race, nationality, ethnicity, I have my guard up because I never know what types of people can be radicalized and will drag me down due to the simple act of association. If I ever came across someone I know planning something like this, I'm not sure if I would be able to handle myself.

For those who have seen the video (I have not), please, go seek counseling. PTSD exists in many forms, even if you see something on the internet. And don't be afraid to talk about it to a counselor, etc. Otherwise it will eat you up from the inside.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,571
Alrest
Hey man, never let these bastards take you away from your religion.
I guarantee the Muslims will go to Friday prayer next week, as we always do. We can't give in to these terrorists.
And I understand the fear as I've had the thought pop up in my mind several times throughout the years.
Don't let them take this away from you.
True.
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,960
They aren't actually doing anything illegal and 4chan has a record of complying with law enforcement (see: email hacking scandal). I don't really feel like going out of my way to defend either site but they only 'host' child pornography in the sense that their users post it and it's moderated fairly swiftly. That's no more or less than what reddit deals with, in purely legal terms. Most of the rest of the stuff exists in a grey area.
These sites (and their members) should be treated just like ISIS forums (and their members) are. There are no safe harbor provisions for terrorist recruitment sites.
 
Oct 27, 2017
353
This is horrendous, feel so sorry for all the lives lost.

If he is indeed Australian, how does the gun laws work in NZ / AUS where he could legally obtain weapons if he is not NZ citizen?
 

EatChildren

Wonder from Down Under
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Oct 27, 2017
1,843
Well thats comforting at least.
For example, Martin Bryant killed 35 people in the mid 90s, Port Arthur massacre, and is serving 35 life sentences without parole. Nobody is going through our courts having methodically, systematically planned and executed the murder of this many people and walking out of prison here.
 

M52B28

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hey man, never let these bastards take you away from your religion.
I guarantee the Muslims will go to Friday prayer next week, as we always do. We can't give in to these terrorists.
And I understand the fear as I've had the thought pop up in my mind several times throughout the years.
Don't let them take this away from you.
.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,356
I can't describe how awful this attack is and how inhuman someone has to be in order to conduct such an attack.

I can only extend my sympathies to the families who have lost loved ones and hope that lessons can be learned from this to help prevent such a thing happening again.
 

EatChildren

Wonder from Down Under
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Oct 27, 2017
1,843
This is horrendous, feel so sorry for all the lives lost.

If he is indeed Australian, how does the gun laws work in NZ / AUS where he could legally obtain weapons if he is not NZ citizen?
I'm not sure how the citizenship laws factor into legalities, but New Zealand has significantly less strict gun laws than Australia. Here gun laws are tight as fuck, implemented after the aforementioned Port Arthur massacre. Unless you knew where to look and had the volume of money to splash, acquiring an AR-15 in Australia would not be easy. Let alone getting it overseas.

New Zealand is another matter entirely. From memory, the police issue firearm licenses to citizens in New Zealand, on the condition they meet extremely basic "good standing" tests. None of this includes a psyche or thorough history examination.

It's also entirely possible he acquired them illegally. If it's true he made a good bit of money in investments, and had Bitcoin to back it up, he could procure firearms on darkweb marketplaces. The usual method is weapons are purchased and shipped in pieces to various addresses in the country of target to try and throw off customs.
 
Oct 27, 2017
353
I'm not sure how the citizenship laws factor into legalities, but New Zealand has significantly less strict gun laws than Australia. Here gun laws are tight as fuck, implemented after the aforementioned Port Arthur massacre. Unless you knew where to look and had the volume of money to splash, acquiring an AR-15 in Australia would not be easy. Let alone getting it overseas.

New Zealand is another matter entirely. From memory, the police issue firearm licenses to citizens in New Zealand, on the condition they meet extremely basic "good standing" tests. None of this includes a psyche or thorough history examination.

It's also entirely possible he acquired them illegally. If it's true he made a good bit of money in investments, and had Bitcoin to back it up, he could procure firearms on darkweb marketplaces. The usual method is weapons are purchased and shipped in pieces to various addresses in the country of target to try and throw off customs.
Thanks for the info. I guess we will learn more about it and probably see what changes this might have on the NZ laws as well. I'm glad that they made it harder here in Finland to obtain guns since the last shooting.
 
Oct 31, 2017
603
That is very hard to believe, based on what was posted in the THQ/8chan thread and what I've read online about it.
4chan is a garbage fire, but it's a law abiding garbage fire. Posts that even joke about planned shootings and the usual illegal shit are taken down immediately.
Most people on 4chan have repeatedly demanded that /pol/ be deleted-while the previous owner did so with gusto, the current one is a chicken shit coward that opted to split the site into 4channel (sfw) and 4chan(nsfw) to avoid actually doing anything about it.
Remember 8chan believes on that premise ALONE 4chan is a censorship platform and you can get away with saying quite a lot.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,228
There were 35 murders in New Zealand in 2017, a 40-year low.

We have surpassed that in a single day in 2019.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
460
Man i honestly wish donald trump said nothing at all. A tweet with best wishes and directly under it he links a white supremacist website. We all get it no need to speak in code that he hates minorities, that bullshit sympathy tweet just makes it worse.
 

Kitsunelaine

My favorite cake is pie
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,382
Man i honestly wish donald trump said nothing at all. A tweet with best wishes and directly under it he links a white supremacist website. We all get it no need to speak in code that he hates minorities, that bullshit sympathy tweet just makes it worse.
there are words i have to say about the way donald trump has impacted my city but i cannot express them for fear of getting banned. i want the man to reap what he's sowing
 
Oct 31, 2017
97
I woke up this morning to this news, I'm absolutely shocked.
My deepest sympathies to all the Muslim community and people of New Zealand.
You'll Never Walk Alone
 
Mar 29, 2018
1,223
Yeah but it almost seems like we traded a decline for these horrible spikes.
These horrible spikes always happened, were even worse than they are today, and took place more often but we just never heard about it

On a global historical scale I mean - if you're talking about the patterns specifically in the USA then you're right that spiking mass killings are more prevalent then they were historically (crime in total is still down though)
 

Jadusable

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (2 Weeks): Concern trolling and false equivalencies surrounding hate speech over a series of posts
Couldn’t really sleep at all last night, this whole thing is just awful. Of course these kind of people won’t go after ISIS or anyone that can fight back.

My worst fear from this is that it’s been proven effective with the current political climate, even if he literally outlines it in his manifesto that his intention is to divide both sides we literally can’t help ourselves but immediately fulfill his wishes and politicize this & be at each other’s throats. Whether it’s Candace Owens, Pewdiepie, or Spyro the fucking Dragon he practically just paints his targets in his manifesto seemingly at random and like clockwork we execute. It’s not like he’s some kind of brilliant mastermind either, it really just speaks volumes that left and right are at that point that we can easily be led and manipulated by a deranged, meme-sprouting incel.

The meme sprouting part is what is really haunting about this stuff and grounds it in a weird way. You really see the personification of a /pol/ shit poster here and it’s disturbing. Moreover, I really worry that this style of live-streaming the mass shooting with a GoPro will inspire others. Some dumbass edgelord is going to eventually try and do this with a school shooting and I only hope we can prevent it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,372
Trump trying to mimick empathy


My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured. The U.S. stands by New Zealand for anything we can do. God bless all!
 

Kitsunelaine

My favorite cake is pie
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,382
his intention is to divide both sides we literally can’t help ourselves but immediately fulfill his wishes and politicize this & be at each other’s throats. Whether it’s Candace Owens, Pewdiepie, or Spyro the fucking Dragon he practically just paints his targets in his manifesto seemingly at random and like clockwork we execute
get fucked you vile piece of shit

don't both-sides a mass fucking murderer
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,990
I just found out about this. This is horrible. RIP to the victims and families involved.

Something has to be done about these white terrorists being groomed online.
 

Tokyo_Funk

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Dec 10, 2018
1,165
If people could put the same amount of effort they spend hating into loving and caring for one other, the idea of a heaven would be trivial as we would already be there.
 

LukeOP

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,450
Couldn’t really sleep at all last night, this whole thing is just awful. Of course these kind of people won’t go after ISIS or anyone that can fight back.

My worst fear from this is that it’s been proven effective with the current political climate, even if he literally outlines it in his manifesto that his intention is to divide both sides we literally can’t help ourselves but immediately fulfill his wishes and politicize this & be at each other’s throats. Whether it’s Candace Owens, Pewdiepie, or Spyro the fucking Dragon he practically just paints his targets in his manifesto seemingly at random and like clockwork we execute. It’s not like he’s some kind of brilliant mastermind either, it really just speaks volumes that left and right are at that point that we can easily be led and manipulated by a deranged, meme-sprouting incel.

The meme sprouting part is what is really haunting about this stuff and grounds it in a weird way. You really see the personification of a /pol/ shit poster here and it’s disturbing. Moreover, I really worry that this style of live-streaming the mass shooting with a GoPro will inspire others. Some dumbass edgelord is going to eventually try and do this with a school shooting and I only hope we can prevent it.
Take a guess which side the terrorist was on. Please fuck off with your bullshit.