Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)

I think you should replace the "(NZ)" in the thread title with "(city in New Zealand)".

Many Americans probably don't know what "NZ" stands for, let alone that Christchurch is a city there. They might just read the thread title and think the shooting happened in a Christian church, not a mosque.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The answer to extremism isn't to get even more ludicrously extreme, I understand you're heated right now though so I know you probably aren't serious.
I mean, it's not that extreme. These people are happy about terrorism. Encourage and engage in hate 24/7. Support actions like this and try to recruit others to their cause through innocuous memes via social media/youtube until they slowly convert others to their views. They or people they recruit/change over time are capable of these very same acts.

They're future criminals as far as I'm concerned and they actively pursue ends like this. Literally a sidestep away from doing something like this themselves. They're monsters. Something should be done about these people and how far-right wing extremism spreads online. But law enforcement doesn't understand the issue and a lot of the internet doesn't care/cares enough to call a response to this extremism extremism in return.
 

shinobi602

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Truly sickening. This is the only option at this point. Beef up security at Mosques because its not even safe for people to pray in peace anymore.
Yeah, it's extremely disheartening. One of the boardmembers at our mosque is so scared that she texted me this morning if I knew anyone that can guard the building. Since I used to work security at hospitals around town years ago, she thought I might know security companies. We leave the gates wide open for people to come in...
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm sorry I have to get this out my chest.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK the media for not calling this a terrorist attack. I won't be surprised that in week the terrorist will be the victim of something. Fucking hypocrites.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I’ll bet right wing media is gonna side step from this dudes manifesto.

They should own up to the fact that they helped to shape this nut’s mind.
Oh, they're happy they shaped this nuts mind. It's the end goal and what they relish. Most won't own up to that so overtly. However, they might speak about it in coded ways.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Conservatives and moderates these are your people. This is your guy. Yall wanted to normalise this? Free speech for all, including nazis? Let them talk so the world can see them? Don’t deplatform?

This is what everyone was warning about. This is no surprise it happened. It had to happen with how right wing ideology gets nurtured and protected.
 

marrec

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I mean, it's not that extreme. These people are happy about terrorism. Encourage and engage in hate 24/7. Support actions like this and try to recruit others to their cause through innocuous memes via social media/youtube until they slowly convert others to their views. They're future criminals as far as I'm concerned and a step away from doing something like this themselves. They're monsters. Something should be done about these people and how far-right wing extremism spreads online. But law enforcement doesn't understand the issue and a lot of the internet doesn't care/cares enough to call a response to this extremism extremism in return.
Arresting someone for posting on a site is not that extreme?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I'm sorry I have to get this out my chest.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK the media for not calling this a terrorist attack. I won't be surprised that in week the terrorist will be the victim of something. Fucking hypocrites.
So, to be fair, all the reports I have read have labeled this a terrorist attack, since that is how NZ's prime minister has called it. Any news outlet not calling this terrorism will immediately be added to my black list of news sites.
 
Nov 29, 2017
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Chile
This is getting closer and closer to a South Korean kind of identification on the Web. Where we have to use our SSN's or Registered Phone Numbers to log-in.

Being anonymous isn't working at all anymore and it leads to more problems than good.

Also:

 
Nov 4, 2017
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The problem with the manifesto is that the media and politicians are completely unequipped to see what's real and what's not. They still have this naivety that everything posted on the Internet is real and sincere.
For all we know, the guy was parodying a left-winger pretending to be alt-right in order to give credence to the inevitable false-flag narrative that will start popping online. Let's not pretend that these white supremacists actually like Candace Owen unironically and take what she says seriously. She's just their useful idiot.

What this says though is that corporations and authorities can no longer pretend that 8chan, The_D, etc. is just inoffensive trolling. Close them all.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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At least Swedish media are calling it a terrorist attack, just like it is.
The German mdeia I checked out in the morning did as well.

My main problem was the terror expert who said you can't do anything about people that self radicalize. Which to me is insane. The sites this shit happens on are no secret. Moderate and deplatform. That's how that works.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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When I see a story like this, I’m scared to death for my muslim family members who go to Friday prayer every week. Shit like this is how terrorists win. I shouldn’t have fear like this, but I can’t help it.

And what’s worse is that there’s no doubt that there are other crazy dudes like the shooter who are just on edge probably ready to snap.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Ah.

Apparently, the fucker seem to have been radicalized in France in 2017, got "desperate" when Macron won over LePen and "cried" when seing the endless white gravestones of the D-Day cemeteries.

WHAT.

THE.

FUCK.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Arresting someone for posting on a site is not that extreme?
Doing absolutely nothing as you propose would be horrific. Or equating doing anything to the shit they do, is just....the fuck duder?

As I stated, these people are happy about terrorism. Stuff like this is what they WANT to have happen. 8chan itself is one of the biggest internet hotbeds for the alt-right. It's where Gamergate was formed and many of their defenses and attack campaigns were thought up. It's where many far-right wing fuckwits meet to determine how to convert people via "innocent memeing". It's literally a haven for child porn. It's etc. etc. etc. etc.
Come on. Something very much should be done about how the right-wing operates online. It's one of the biggest threats to the world at large. It infects politics and inspires people to commit terrorist acts.
 
Yeah, it's extremely disheartening. One of the boardmembers at our mosque is so scared that she texted me this morning if I knew anyone that can guard the building. Since I used to work security and hospitals around town years ago, she thought I might know security companies. We leave the gates wide open for people to come in...
I mean you would hope that any place of worship would be able to keep it's doors open for people that need it :(
 
Arresting someone for posting on a site is not that extreme?
I dunno, 8 Chan isn't just a regular site. While OBVIOUSLY the physical act of posting anything on line should never be illegal...the odds that said content posted on 8Chan would be illegal (child porn, terrorist threats) arent' exactly minute.

Like if I had 'kiddierape.com' filled with solely child porn and someone posted into it many wouldn't have an issue with an investigation happening on said poster. But because a site throws that stuff in there along with JoJo memes, somehow we are just supposed to focus on the JoJo stuff, lol.

Arresting someone is extreme, but if someone was an avid poster on a jihadist recruitment site most wouldn't have a problem...I don't know how suddenly a site that just dabbles on jihadist murder calls but has really good manga images suddenly would get a green light
 
Dec 10, 2018
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i get you though, if more people treated each other as human beings we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead we have this stupid "us" vs "them".
You got it. Unfortunately it's the "us" vs "them" narrative that hateful people love to use because they believe it justifies their shittiness and no matter what they're good and others are bad
 
Dec 20, 2017
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Yeah, it's extremely disheartening. One of the boardmembers at our mosque is so scared that she texted me this morning if I knew anyone that can guard the building. Since I used to work security and hospitals around town years ago, she thought I might know security companies. We leave the gates wide open for people to come in...
This should be a government initiative at this point to fund security at Mosques and other religious buildings world wide. Governments allow online platforms to radicalize the youth, promote hate and xenophobia , Islamophobia, etc..I fear is is only the beginning.
 

marrec

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Doing absolutely nothing as you propose would be horrific. Or equating doing anything to the shit they do, is just....the fuck duder?

As I stated, these people are happy about terrorism. 8chan itself is one of the biggest internet hotbeds for the alt-right. It's where Gamergate was formed and many of their defenses and attack campaigns were thought up. It's where many far-right wing fuckwits meet to determine how to convert people via "innocent memeing". It's literally a haven for child porn. It's etc. etc. etc. etc.
Come on.
I ain't made any proposals.

And yes, doing extreme things is equal to doing extreme things.

I dunno, 8 Chan isn't just a regular site. While OBVIOUSLY the physical act of posting anything on line should never be illegal...the odds that said content posted on 8Chan would be illegal (child porn, terrorist threats) arent' exactly minute.

Like if I had 'kiddierape.com' filled with solely child porn and someone posted into it many wouldn't have an issue with an investigation happening on said poster. But because a site throws that stuff in there along with JoJo memes, somehow we are just supposed to focus on the JoJo stuff, lol.

Arresting someone is extreme, but if someone was an avid poster on a jihadist recruitment site most wouldn't have a problem...I don't know how suddenly a site that just dabbles on jihadist murder calls but has really good manga images suddenly would get a green light
I am NOT here to defend the cesspool that is 8chan.

So I won't, this is just a discussion board and people are rightfully heated about this shit, this isn't the legislature where anything of consequence gets done. Y'all do y'all.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Truly sickening. This is the only option at this point. Beef up security at Mosques because its not even safe for people to pray in peace anymore.
I can remember having armed security at every Synagogue I have attended since the 1970s. It's an unfortunate reality of the world we live in.

I think it’s my kids being so innocent beside me stirring me up.
Yeah it hits extra hard when you realize this is the world your kids are going to inhabit.