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Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)

Jun 7, 2018
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You advocate not just painting people with a broad brush, but then you go and just use a different broad brush ("crazy people"). There are plenty of people with mental illnesses who don't go out and murder people.
I should probably have used different wording, the point was it far easier today than ever to find likeminded people with extreme ideologies.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Post-Cabinet meeting press conference summary with PM Jacinda Ardern and Deputy PM/Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters
Full video: https://www.facebook.com/jacindaardern/videos/546035515886781/

- reiterates free text/call hotline is available for people who are distressed or have mental health concerns due to the attack
- tomorrow, MPs will gather in Parliament for statements of condolence
- Jacinda returns to Christchurch on Wednesday to meet with first responders and families
- process of returning bodies to families is fully underway, aims to be completed on Wednesday

Cabinet meeting details
- Included members of Labour, NZ First and Green Party to discuss key issues around the attack
- Cabinet has made 'in-principle' decisions on gun laws (basically the outcome has been decided but the details are still to be worked out), more details before next Cabinet meeting next Monday
- within 10 days of the terrorist attack, gun law reform will be announced
- Cabinet was unified in decisions with no disagreement
- understands that gun owners may have concerns, says that they are not targeted by the reform, believes that most gun owners will be in favour of the changes
- reminds and encourages people that they can surrender their gun to the Police at any time, has heard reports that people are doing this
- there will be an Enquiry around the attack, regarding what each agencies knew, or could/should have known, the offender's activity regarding travel and gun ownership, his use of social media and relationships to others, and information sharing between agencies. Includes SIS, GCSB, Police, Customs, Immigration. Details being finalised
- preliminary discussions around official national commemorations, memorial date to be announced soon, but will not be this week to prioritise the families and their grieving
- funeral grant available through ACC for families of victims, up to $10,000
- Victim Support to finalise other support eg. transporting bodies overseas
- high police visibility to continue in Christchurch

Question time (questions and answers paraphrased)
Q. Are you saying a ban on semiautomatic weapons is coming?
JA: If anyone has concerns about the legality of a gun they own, or are concerned about public safety due to the attack, they are welcome to surrender that weapon. We have made in-principle decisions within 72 hours and are taking the time to finalise the details

Q. Will the changes involve semiautomatic weapons?
JA: I've said before that NZers question the availability of military style semiautomatic weapons. But details are still to come. When Australia were in the same position they took 12 days to make a decision, we took 72 hours.

Q. Was the decision hard to make/agree on?
JA: No, cabinet was unified. NZ First party supported them (Winston Peters states it was a Cabinet decision)

Q. What's changed since the original 2017 recommendations?
JA: Unsure if this had ever reached the Select Committee
WP: The reality is our world changed on Friday, and so must our laws

Q. Tell us about the spike in threatening/violent messages after the attack
JA: This is a trend that occurs in regions that experience these kinds of attacks. We are looking at the lessons and patterns around this cycle and are taking precautions. This is also why our terror threat level remains on High

Q. Have you spoken to Facebook since their last update
JA: Not directly, but we know that 1.5 million uploads of the video have been stopped, with 1.2 million of them stopped automatically at the upload stage. I call on social media platforms to demonstrate responsiblity around the content that leads to these events and the people that perpetuate hate speech and violent threats

Q. Has Facebook indicated their changes?
JA: They have sent condolences, are working proactively to shut down video sharing of the attack, they have acknowledged the issues around hate speech. My view is there is more that can and should be done

Q. Details on people panic-buying firearms?
JA: No official reports but I have heard anecdotes. I would advise people who are thinking of investing in firearms right now to be cautious and wait for certainty

Q. Did you talk to the Australian Foreign Minster about deporting the offender?
WP: We talked about their condolences and their offer of support

Q. Turkish President has used the livestream footage in his election campaign, do you think that's acceptable?
WP: I made it clear to Turkish Foreign Minister that it misrepresents our contry and imperils the safety of NZers and people abroad and is unfair. We did not bring about this disaster and they understood that

Q. Has the terror watchlist changed?
JA: No advice received

Q. National day of mourning?
JA: Yes, details to be announced. Giving time to families to buried their loved ones is priority. It won't be this week because of this

Q. Did Cabinet consider a moratorium on gun sales as the new legislation is finalised?
JA: Yes it was discussed but any details still to come

Q. Muslims have been warning the government for years about this, why wasn't more done?
JA: I have put this question to our agencies who have assured me that threats have always been followed up on. But this is not enough, which is why there will be an Enquiry to look into these kinds of issues

Q. Should there be a Royal Commission?
JA: No specific decision on the nature of Enquiry (Royal Commission, Public Enquiry, Ministerial Enquiry). But timeliness, public confidence, and classified information will be considered when deciding this

Q. Are you suggesting there was disagreement at Cabinet?
JA: No, cabinet was unified, the time taken is because law is complicated

Q. Will the Opposition support your proposed changes?
JA: It's up to them but I imagine they will be supportive

Q. Gun City owner wants to meet, would you be willing to see him
JA: Haven't received his request but would consider it

Q. Does Christchurch have a problem with racism?
JA: WP is right, the primary suspect was not a NZ citizen. However that is not to say that there aren't people in NZ who hold values and idea and use language that is completely counter to what the vast majority of NZers believe. We cannot ignore that and we must be aware of the fact that there are those who do not share our values of openness, diversity, compassion, and we must confront this as a nation

Q. Will you pull advertising from Google/FB?
JA: This has not been discussed today

Q. Attorney General said semiautomatic weapons would be banned and that went around the world
JA: I've spoken to him since then
I wish the US would get our shit together and handle things in a similar fashion.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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New Zealand's Prime Minister

“He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist. But he will, when I speak, be nameless,” Ardern told her country’s parliament.

“He may have sought notoriety, but we in New Zealand will give him nothing, not even his name,” she added.

Ardern also criticized social media platforms for hosting the gunman’s livestream of the attack.

“They are the publisher, not just the postman,” she said. “There cannot be a case of all profit, no responsibility.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-...da-ardern-nameless_n_5c90ce89e4b04ed2c1ae6c62
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Clarification from the Police Commissioner today that the suspect was arrested within 22 minutes of emergency calls. Attack started at 1:40pm and suspect was arrested at 2:02pm.

The 36 minute figure reported earlier refers to the suspect being held in custody.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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A lecturer at my university wrote this Op-Ed which (while not groundbreaking) I found interesting.

Nativism and terror: clinging to ‘cherished heritage’
The mosque gunman's manifesto shows a combination of nationalism and xenophobia, demanding regions be controlled by groups that identify as the true first owners of the land, writes Chris Wilson
(It does talk about the fact the claims of ownership are complete nonsense to begin with.)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A lecturer at my university wrote this Op-Ed which (while not groundbreaking) I found interesting.



(It does talk about the fact the claims of ownership are complete nonsense to begin with.)
There's been a lot of fantastic articles published this week and I've heard from a friend taking sociology at least they took time in lecture to address the event. I have my media class tomorrow which is about indigienty and settlement where I imagine we'll similarly discuss the myth of NZ as a nation of equal-opportunity immigration.
 
NZ keeps on winning on how they have managed this terrorists attack. A Rugby Union team is considering changing its name from the Canterbury Crusaders as the name "Crusaders" were a series of religious and political wars fought between Christian and Muslim forces in the 11th and 13th centuries.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Oct 28, 2017
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This woman is an inspiration. I cannot believe how strong she is, and how beautiful her heart is. Just crushed me watching this interview, but at the same time, despite her tragic losses, she still managed to inspire me and fill me with hope. I'm so sorry for her losses.