Oh, it's not "for the lols". That's just the shield they use constantly. Even with more "minor" shitty things as a way to normalize their behavior. It's purely for hate. Full-stop. These people are inhumane monsters, flat out.
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Oh, it's not "for the lols". That's just the shield they use constantly. Even with more "minor" shitty things as a way to normalize their behavior. It's purely for hate. Full-stop. These people are inhumane monsters, flat out.
That could never happen in America, but I guarantee it law enforcement use it for investigation stuff
The fuck is this. Beyond the pale.
This is an elected Australian Senator....
Why? I think a 10 year old has the capacity to understand the nuances of different religions or at basic levels the differences. Teach kids what a Hijab, Niqab, Burka, Chador and such actually are for example. Education is the only way to dispel ignorance and in my opinion with a lot of people ignorance is what leads to hate.
I'm sorry, no. That's a slippery slope. You're saying "if you don't take the manifesto seriously, you don't think white nationalism is a threat," which is not true at all. That's projecting some really nasty ignorance, or worse, evil, upon this community who's mourning *with* you right now.
And I'm not saying we should disregard the manifesto. I'm simply pointing out why some members might be sensitive or averse to its being shared and discussed. The idea that he's sitting in a cell having a chuckle because now he gets to see the things he wrote play across a dozen different breaking news banners and countless internet headlines... Well, it hurts.
Someone described the manifesto as a second attack, and I think that's accurate. By arguing over it and bringing light to it, it feels like the media is pouring salt in the wounds of victims and bringing the terrorist more celebrity. I think the manifesto was designed to do exactly that, more than it was designed to "reveal" his ideologies and views.
Authorities should take the manifesto seriously. Not the idiotic messages, but the source of those messages/memes, where those messages/memes are born and grow. And then shut those places down.
Hell no. I had R.E (Religious Education) in my secondary school as a mandatory subject and it was the most pointless shit ever. No one took it seriously and everyone just fucked around during class because it was the most pointless and laughable subject.
Jesus Christ. I'm filled with so many emotions right now. I feel heartbreak for the community of innocent people that this happened to. I feel rage at the far-right ideology that promotes this kind of horrifying violence. And I feel sickened by the promoters of said far-right ideology attempting to display their faux sympathy for these victims.
You do not get to spend months or years demonizing a group of people and then pretend to act surprised and sympathetic when a group of extremist filth take your rhetoric to heart and act on it.
You do not get to spend months or years demonizing a group of people and then pretend to act surprised and sympathetic when a group of extremist filth take your rhetoric to heart and act on it.
How do you do any sort of justice to world history by completing omitting religion?
These fuckers already likely have CP on most of their computers and most were actively involved in/started/helped to spread hate movements like GG. They get away with it still. This is, admittedly more heinous of an act than anything these shitstains have ever done. I just have to wonder how much any law enforcement would even care about this, shamefully. They didn't give a fuck about 8chan before.
This is fucked. This is bullshit. I am mad and scared at the same time. When will those in power actually do SOMETHING about this piece of shit site 8-chan, and hell, even the main stream social media sites. Regulate or shut it down! I am more afraid of white men (as a white guy) but those in power would rather bomb anyone brown then actually look at the real threat to the Western World, the alt-right and the radicalization of disfranchised white men. Like Facebook, now that my mom finally got a smartphone her only exposure of the internet is Facebook and all her mentions and timeline is shitty alt-right trash.
Such pointless suffering and death. For nothing. I don't know what I can do really but... my heart goes to the Muslim community world wide and all of New Zealand.
Such pointless suffering and death. For nothing. I don't know what I can do really but... my heart goes to the Muslim community world wide and all of New Zealand.
I just want people to be more considerate about how they tackle this issue. I don't want to enable what the shooter wants. That's the last thing I want. But I think it's more dangerous for everyone if we ignore what he represents. Proof of what he represents is in the manifesto. I don't want that proof to become easier to dismiss. He wrote out in big bright shining letters, "I AM A NEONAZI". I think that's the part that needs to be focused on rather than the actual contents, but since that's part of the manifesto itself, I see "You shouldn't take the manifesto seriously" as a dismissal of that.
It's weird and fucking complicated and it makes me want to scream.
Yeah, I very much remember R.E being the "free" class.
IIRC, the hosting company is owned by the owner of 2chan - and 8chan is run by a 2chan engineer. I doubt they give a shit.
The answer to extremism isn't to get even more ludicrously extreme, I understand you're heated right now though so I know you probably aren't serious.
That's why doing it in primary school is so critical. It doesn't even have to be overt. My elementary school had a world food day where they invited parents and other kid oriented organizations to introduce us to different cultures through food.
TPB caused enough rich people to worry about losing enough money to be classified as a Problem worthy of Attention.
4chan / 8chan largely don't worry that many rich people about losing much money at all, so they wont get nearly the same sort of response.
They're idiots who scream "freeze peach" as a way to justify CP, misogyny, racism, etc. etc. and hate movements inspired by what they deem should be free and allowed. So....yea. They likely give no fucks and possibly even support/want stuff like this to happen.
In order to dispel the twisted rubbish the the right & Islamist peddle, yes they should. In order to understand a large portion of the world's communities yes they absolutely should. Preventing education on an important part of human's lives is a regressive idea.
Yeah I hear you completely. You're right. He made sure his mess would be as difficult to clean up as possible. I hope we can figure out the most productive way to talk about this together, and hopefully we can start taking steps to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
Justice and peace won't be inspired by the media. We'll have to come together and figure this out on our own. It will be so hard.
I can't speak for everyone else but as a muslim I'm more than fine if white folks just left me the fuck alone. Love? Compassion? Nah I'm good, just leave me be. Sadly even that seems too much to ask for :/
i get you though, if more people treated each other as human beings we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead we have this stupid "us" vs "them".
This is an elected Australian Senator....
Holy fuck, he's basically calling for more violence against Muslims. Pure evil.
That's a dangerous road to go down because "Accountability and repercussions" can mean VERY different things to people today.
You need a better imagination. We got monsters walking in broad daylight here lifted up into positions power by some communities full of monsters.
Please explain. I don't know what's wrong with holding those spewing hatred, bigotry, etc liable? We should be able to prosecute them.
I mean, it's not that extreme. These people are happy about terrorism. Encourage and engage in hate 24/7. Support actions like this and try to recruit others to their cause through innocuous memes via social media/youtube until they slowly convert others to their views. They or people they recruit/change over time are capable of these very same acts.
They're future criminals as far as I'm concerned and they actively pursue ends like this. Literally a sidestep away from doing something like this themselves. They're monsters. Something should be done about these people and how far-right wing extremism spreads online. But law enforcement doesn't understand the issue and a lot of the internet doesn't care/cares enough to call a response to this extremism extremism in return.
Yeah, it's extremely disheartening. One of the boardmembers at our mosque is so scared that she texted me this morning if I knew anyone that can guard the building. Since I used to work security at hospitals around town years ago, she thought I might know security companies. We leave the gates wide open for people to come in...
How about we start by not allowing hate speech and overt racism in online spaces?
I cant believe this is real after this tragedy and from a senator. Mind blowing.
This is an elected Australian Senator....
This has to be an actual joke. How are people ok with using deaths of innocents to conjure up a completely nonsensical political narrative? He is so un-informed beyond belief.
I totally agree. I'm just saying that Trump would take this idea and start applying it to media outlets he didn't like.
Oh, they're happy they shaped this nuts mind. It's the end goal and what they relish. Most won't own up to that so overtly. However, they might speak about it in coded ways.
Every host on the Web connects to other hosts. You don't have to work with them.
Conservatives and moderates these are your people. This is your guy. Yall wanted to normalise this? Free speech for all, including nazis? Let them talk so the world can see them? Don't deplatform?
This is what everyone was warning about. This is no surprise it happened. It had to happen with how right wing ideology gets nurtured and protected.
This is what everyone was warning about. This is no surprise it happened. It had to happen with how right wing ideology gets nurtured and protected.
I had it in primary (elementary) school as well though. It was exactly the same.
So, to be fair, all the reports I have read have labeled this a terrorist attack, since that is how NZ's prime minister has called it. Any news outlet not calling this terrorism will immediately be added to my black list of news sites.