I'm not talking hate groups, I'm talking about blaming whole groups of people, typically based upon their religion or the color of their skin.
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Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)
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I'm not talking hate groups, I'm talking about blaming whole groups of people, typically based upon their religion or the color of their skin.
Last I checked, no one is blaming all white men, guy with 18 month old account with barely 50 posts.
I've seen people (like that Aussie Congressman) blaming the victims and treating them like "Others" because of their religion. I hope that's what he's talking about.
Exactly. There are so many trying to divide us during times like this, what we need is unification, not more hate.
you're a bit more generous than i am. i didn't think they were preaching to the choir
It was one of two potential options, and knowing that people of all sorts of English skill level post here, I thought I'd give him a chance to clarify his position (or hang himself and save me the rope ;) ). Seriously though, it made sense following that "he was picked on as kid because he was fat!" article.
I understand what you're talking about but in relation to this topic, this man was a white supremacist. That is an ideology that deserves to be hated and treated with disdain.
In your mind, which groups are hateful statements being made about in relation to this topic?
It was more of the digging around by the media to try to come up with some sort of reason for this, and all the mental gymnastics on twitter. I just watched the video of his parents and it broke my heart, why even bring them into the picture? What are they supposed to say? And who cares about his upbringing?
Everyone who has walked this earth for a few decades have had to deal with shit, it doesn't excuse any type of violent behavior.
All I wanted to say is focus on the person who did this, and don't blame everything else.
I don't even understand why white supremacists groups are legal, or any hate group for that matter.
Because not everyone who commits such acts is crazy and they have underlying motivations that we should know about, so we, as a society can tackle them and try to avoid another massacre.
Hate the killer, not what made him kill. That honestly sounds like what you are saying, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you aren't saying that, correct?
Radicalization is always a fear for large-scale terrorist attacks. In the case of Muslim terrorists, it is important to know where they were radicalized (whether it was a local mosque, chat group, internet video, direct contact with known terrorist group) while not demonizing all Muslims. Similarly, for the people involved here it's important to root out where they came up with the idea to do such a thing, who supported them, and if there are more likeminded individuals out there. The "he's a crazy lone wolf" bit doesn't help anyone.
This post reads as if people are wholly separate from the world; they are not. Whether we are "loners" or "extroverts" we are still intrinsically linked with and influenced by the larger environment, which we then in turn influence ourselves. So, while each individual is indeed "personally responsible" for themselves, we cannot simultaneously only look at the person as cut off from the rest of the world. You need to uncover the balance between the individual's doing and the greater doing of the environment they are in/put themselves in. It is a hard balance to find but we must strive to. It is far too easy to pass the blame from the individual to external causes in just the same way it is far too easy to blame an individual as if they were an isolated event.
What I'm trying to say is don't attack large groups of people who might have shared the killers religion, that doesn't help anyone. Don't push the blame away from the killer an onto things like "Well, he had a rough childhood, no wonder why he did that" Or "Oh, he was a muslim, that's why he did it". We have to be much more diligent.
Just don't paint with too broad of a brush when trying to figure out why.
What is the "religion" people are supposedly attacking here? White supremacy?
Saying it as 'unrelated' is a misnomer. Of course it is related. It just shows how much hatred is directed towards Muslims in places like Australia and other 'modern' countries. Some chose to exercise that hatred by ramming their cars towards fences, others chose to kill 50 people in cold blooded murder for it.
Even among radicalized people only a handful of them actually carryout these types of attacks. You can certainly tick a bunch of boxes with common traits these people have, yet you have a large group which ticks the same boxes who doesn't carry out these attacks.
It almost like the gene is out of the bottle, and we can't put it back in. The mental barrier for carrying out these attacks have been softened and somehow "normalized".
If you had one crazy person in the village in the olden days, everyone knew he was crazy. Even the crazy person probably knew. These days you can find people who share your crazy ideas in a matter of minutes, and suddenly it doesn't seem like you are alone in the world with your crazy world view.
No, it was a general list of things people attack when these things happen. And also in response to people somehow pushing the blame over to the muslims in NZ.
Local governments monitor traffic from known terrorist organizations and people who espouse hate speech online to preemptively stop future attacks. Most of these we never hear about, or they get a small writeup when the person is arrested without incident with their stockpile. You can actually read the signs and save lives.
The Western world has tolerated White nationalist extremism far, far longer than any other kind of violent ideology in terms of monitoring and prevention. We can and should be actively looking into communities that believe these kind of attacks are justified and necessary, and what kind of access these people have to weapons that can do harm.
We should classify white nationalism / supremacy groups as terrorist organizations and prosecute them in the same manner as we do ISIS. Why not?
So why come into this thread and state a general list of things people attack when these things happen, especially when they don't really apply?
It's natural to want to understand why fifty people are dead. It's natural to want to prevent more people from murdered in the future. In general, it's also just human nature to want an explanation for why things occur.
Yes, it's important to not just choose an easy explanation and call it a day, but it is also valid to investigate how an event occurred and recognize any commonalities with other mindsets, events, or groups.
You advocate not just painting people with a broad brush, but then you go and just use a different broad brush ("crazy people"). There are plenty of people with mental illnesses who don't go out and murder people.
The trick is in finding out what made the crime seem to be a rational course of action for the person to take. Yes, some people's mental state make it easier for them to rationalize negative actions, and some murderers do find rationalization from innocuous sources, but if there's a clear influence that specifically advocates for the crime and doesn't offer any value to society at large, sure, let's decry it and try to limit exposure to it.
I should probably have used different wording, the point was it far easier today than ever to find likeminded people with extreme ideologies.
I wish the US would get our shit together and handle things in a similar fashion.
This guy is a dead man walking within the jail system. He will segregated from the rest of the population.
New Zealand's Prime Minister
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-...da-ardern-nameless_n_5c90ce89e4b04ed2c1ae6c62
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good good
I saw his name, like, once, and I already forgot what it was
A lecturer at my university wrote this Op-Ed which (while not groundbreaking) I found interesting.
(It does talk about the fact the claims of ownership are complete nonsense to begin with.)
(It does talk about the fact the claims of ownership are complete nonsense to begin with.)
There's been a lot of fantastic articles published this week and I've heard from a friend taking sociology at least they took time in lecture to address the event. I have my media class tomorrow which is about indigienty and settlement where I imagine we'll similarly discuss the myth of NZ as a nation of equal-opportunity immigration.
NZ keeps on winning on how they have managed this terrorists attack. A Rugby Union team is considering changing its name from the Canterbury Crusaders as the name "Crusaders" were a series of religious and political wars fought between Christian and Muslim forces in the 11th and 13th centuries.
As well as Norway acted after the terrorist attack in 2011, this is an aspect I wish they did better. I mean, the headlines in some newspapers after the NZ attack was "Inspired by Breivik". 50 people are dead, let's make it about ourselves. Also props on blurring his face in court.
Perfectly understood your sentence
Nazis are scum, don't need whataboutism in here
Where's the shooter from?, where were the race riots?, everything?. Projecting ass dickhead.
This woman is an inspiration. I cannot believe how strong she is, and how beautiful her heart is. Just crushed me watching this interview, but at the same time, despite her tragic losses, she still managed to inspire me and fill me with hope. I'm so sorry for her losses.
Holy shit.
Probably IBÖ? Per wikipedia:
On March 25, 2019 [Martin] Sellner's apartment was searched by the Austrian police. His computer, mobile phone, all data storage devices and cash cards were confiscated on suspicion that he was a member of a terrorist organization; early in 2018 he had received a donation from Brenton Tarrant, the suspect in the the Christchurch mosque shootings.[20][21] Sellner denied any involvement in the attacks.[22]
Hope the true cockroaches of society enjoy having the light shone upon them...
Jail. Send them all to fucking jail.
After a thorough and comprehensive investigation, of course.
That poorly-handled BBC interview with the Generation Identity rep is going to look even worse if it turns out that Generation Identity/Identitäre Bewegung had any direct links here...