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Man, Fuck Griffith.
- Thread starter Heromanz
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David Griffiths? That would probably have been a funny thread to read, through if i don't see any reason why people would hate him.
They don't like his semi-modern rather than classical approach to quantum mechanics maybe?
Anywho I'm off topic, lol
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man, despite the poor cgi in the first movie, those golden age arc films are fucking great
And I don't even think that that's really his reason so much as a justification. It's no coincidence that Griffith makes the decision the moment Guts is about to reach him on the altar (after warning him off several times in his mind). I think the tragedy of it is that the decision was an attempt to escape some kind of vulnerability that his whole character is constituted to find to be intolerable. It also gives more significance to the decision to become something inhuman, because Griffith broke under the weight of his humanity.
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I didn't know what this show was before this thread but that was pretty great. Felt like I understood a lot even without any context. Music is amazing too. Really adds a lot.
if you have Netflix, all three Golden Age Arc movies are on there (at least last I checked)
the latest TV show isn't very good (Berserk 2016-17), but the 90's show was decent
the manga is really really good, the art is outstanding
Honestly I never cared about the manga or what happened after the plot of the original series. It felt like a great little story on its own that understood what it was.
Okay, but post-eclipse look at how much good Griffith has done for the world. Guts would be wrong to stop that for just petty revenge.
...made sure to render the entire world pretty much unlivable for humans except for one specific spot in which he has entire control over while also doing a pr blast?
As I got older, my opinion on Griffith has changed drastically. I see him as a much less complex character than I used to. More or less, he's a sociopath charlatan fraud who is only good at manipulation. All his great plans that got him where he is today were all absolute campaign-ending disasters that were only salvaged by the extreme heroism, cunning, and bravery of Guts acting in insubordinate defiance of his commands.
Remember when Griffth tried to kill Guts when he left him and broke down afterwards?
When I was young, I thought it was because Griffith always believed that he had no friends because he thought only someone who is his equal or better could be his friend. So when Guts beat him, he had made Griffith realize that Guts was his only friend, and when he walked away, he felt abandoned, rejected, and isolated. I've abandoned this interpretation.
When i got a bit older, I thought it was because Griffith had supreme confidence and had used his manipulation and domination of Guts to bolster his delusions of power and elite greatness, and when Guts beat him, he showed his superiority as a warrior. But, even worse, the fact he showed mercy to Griffith when Griffith was going to kill him showed moral/ethic superiority as well. Thus, feeling inadequate, he goes to test his 'destiny' but doing something reckless and trusting the heart of the cards. I've evolved a bit on this, too.
Now, I think it was because Griffith was smart enough to realize the truth. He knows he's a fraud.. And when Guts left, Griffith pragmatically got scared because he realized that he had lost his crutch, and he feared that now with even greater responsibility he would be exposed as the fraud he is. So, he knew he was good at one thing: manipulation and seduction. And he desperately to reaffirm his talents by doing something absolutely daring, and maybe strengthening his position as a sentimental favorite of the would-be queen. 1 day without Guts, he's captured. The day Guts comes back, he's saved. Griffith knows the truth: he's an absolute charlatan who feels entitled to success but knows that Guts is the real champion who made the Hawks great. Ultimately, he was jealous of Guts and can't accept the truth because of his belief in 'destiny.'
For this reason, I think Griffith never held real affection for Guts. No more than he held affection for Charlotte, Caska, or that count. It was all about manipulation.
Remember when Griffth tried to kill Guts when he left him and broke down afterwards?
When I was young, I thought it was because Griffith always believed that he had no friends because he thought only someone who is his equal or better could be his friend. So when Guts beat him, he had made Griffith realize that Guts was his only friend, and when he walked away, he felt abandoned, rejected, and isolated. I've abandoned this interpretation.
When i got a bit older, I thought it was because Griffith had supreme confidence and had used his manipulation and domination of Guts to bolster his delusions of power and elite greatness, and when Guts beat him, he showed his superiority as a warrior. But, even worse, the fact he showed mercy to Griffith when Griffith was going to kill him showed moral/ethic superiority as well. Thus, feeling inadequate, he goes to test his 'destiny' but doing something reckless and trusting the heart of the cards. I've evolved a bit on this, too.
Now, I think it was because Griffith was smart enough to realize the truth. He knows he's a fraud.. And when Guts left, Griffith pragmatically got scared because he realized that he had lost his crutch, and he feared that now with even greater responsibility he would be exposed as the fraud he is. So, he knew he was good at one thing: manipulation and seduction. And he desperately to reaffirm his talents by doing something absolutely daring, and maybe strengthening his position as a sentimental favorite of the would-be queen. 1 day without Guts, he's captured. The day Guts comes back, he's saved. Griffith knows the truth: he's an absolute charlatan who feels entitled to success but knows that Guts is the real champion who made the Hawks great. Ultimately, he was jealous of Guts and can't accept the truth because of his belief in 'destiny.'
For this reason, I think Griffith never held real affection for Guts. No more than he held affection for Charlotte, Caska, or that count. It was all about manipulation.
he's being so extremely manipulative for an end-game, there's no doubt about this. Even if not and it's just him living his dreams, the ends do NOT justify the means considering he's the one who brought this forth.
This is by far the most satisfying moment in Berserk and made Rickert myy favourite after Guts.
Imagine Griffith's death being super lowkey and not at all gruesome in the way readers wish it- stripped of his godhood and no longer a member of the Godhand, Griffith becomes demoralized as he is no longer able to pursue his dream. Guts walks up to Griffith and kills him clean in a single swing. The end.
Yup, Griffith can piss off into the sun, trash individual. The schadenfreude of seeing Griffith get what is coming to him will be glorious.
That video perfectly captures the feelings I felt after it was shown.
I feel he might not even be killed by Guts. The best way to get revenge for me personally would be if Guts fought and killed every God Hand member and when he got Griffith he fought him until he turned into the way he was just before the eclipse. Just a weak person who can't do anything living like a piece of shit for the rest of his life.
I forgot this fucker. Griffith was basically inspired by this guy.kill blondie
I missed this post earlier, but it's Griffith from Berserk. The greatest villain of all time from the single greatest piece of fiction known to man.
Now you know.
little bit of topic, but how do you guys know all the Arc names?
are the mentioned in the mangas in the US?
alwys reading about arcs. that arc was good, that was bad.
I love this or that arc.
seems like in german manga communitys there aren't arcs.
If it had been Guts trapped in that cell for a year reduced to a corpse he would have taken that shit like a man. He would never rat his comrades out or condemn them to die, which is why he'll always be better than Griffith.
I think the way for Guts to finally end Griffith would be to mentally fuck him up so bad he ends up like Casca, even if Guts dies in the end it would be a lasting revenge.
I think the way for Guts to finally end Griffith would be to mentally fuck him up so bad he ends up like Casca, even if Guts dies in the end it would be a lasting revenge.
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I'm still planning to, but that doesn't make Griffith right.
The whole scene was a masterpiece of writing.
I was so disgusted at this part I almost stopped reading the manga all together. I honestly almost cried. This is the one and only time in my life I was this far when reading something.
But at the very same time this whole scene gave both Griffith and Guts so much depth, it's unbelievable. If I wasn't rooting for Guts already before I was rooting for him after - BIG TIME. Also you finally understand why he is as he is and it's believeable. In so many other stories characters are "cool" just got shits and giggles. Here you completely understand it. Because he truly went through some fucked up shit.
Bloody marvelous writing.
Oh, and can I just put it here how much I hate Miura because of how he ended issue 40? haha
I was so disgusted at this part I almost stopped reading the manga all together. I honestly almost cried. This is the one and only time in my life I was this far when reading something.
But at the very same time this whole scene gave both Griffith and Guts so much depth, it's unbelievable. If I wasn't rooting for Guts already before I was rooting for him after - BIG TIME. Also you finally understand why he is as he is and it's believeable. In so many other stories characters are "cool" just got shits and giggles. Here you completely understand it. Because he truly went through some fucked up shit.
Bloody marvelous writing.
Oh, and can I just put it here how much I hate Miura because of how he ended issue 40? haha
Scene gave me goosebumps...
Griffith being shook after Guts leaves is one of my favorite parts of the series. Guts actually grew as a person and Griffith self-destructed.
Yeah the chapter names tend to be paired with the arc names preceeding it in Berserk. Like "CONVICTION ARC - THE BLACK SWORDSMAN AGAIN" for instance.
"Rickert has officially dealt more damage to Femto then Guts has"
lol
