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Man, Fuck Griffith.
- Thread starter Heromanz
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My favorite part is when people argue he was a force for good in the end. Since he set up a paradise for people to live in when the world turned to shit... Which is directly ignoring the part where Griffith caused the world to turn to shit. Seriously fuck Griffith hope his ass burns and he goes back to living in his ruined body. Guy deserves it.
It's gotten to point where I feel like the only comeuppance Griffith should get is a fate worse than death. Getting depowered, getting killed, the famous shonen "break their dreams don't kill'em" act, or even burning in hell are all way too weak of a punishment for Griffith.
If you don't feel anything then why waste time on media.
Yeah seriously tho fuck Griffith.
He's like Jesus Christ... only instead of asdending to heaven after dying on the cross he raped and sacrificed all of his followers for the ability to continue preaching.
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It's not even like Falconia is the endgame. Guts said himself that Griffith will never be satisfied with any less than absolute dominion over everything. To that end I wouldn't be surprised if Falconia is just another gathering place for a mass sacrifice like The Eclipse or the Tower of Conviction.
I have the hots for him. He became way more feminine after the eclipse.
Hate him with a passion. Probably my most hated antagonist of all time. I hope he gets his in the end. God, I'm getting angry just thinking of that prick.
Y'all here wishing for a guts tearing up Griffith and a fairy tale like ending is going to be disappointed. That type of 'good truimphs bad guy will get punished' isn't what berserk has presented itself to be.
I can see the ending being akin like watchman. Griffith is like ozymandias and guts is like Rorschach.
And you know how that ends.
I can see the ending being akin like watchman. Griffith is like ozymandias and guts is like Rorschach.
And you know how that ends.
Donald Trump: Griffith did nothing wrong. Guts was a free loader and a loser. I like my anti heroes to have both eyes and arms. Gorgeous Griffith is a great guy, very successful. Kinda reminds me of Ivanka.
Damn that last panel caught me so off guard, I'm rolling.
Yeah... and he makes a completely boneheaded move that took me years to try to wrap my head around. I honestly think it was because seducing Charlotte was the only thing he did on his own without Guts covering up his massive faults as a commander so he pushed his luck to validate himself. Guts was everything Griffith thought he was destined to be.... he was just an entitled child and the God Hand sought out the despair associated with that EMOTION, not him personally for greatness. The idea that you felt your whole life you were destined to be something great only to realize that someone you look down on like trash is 20x the man you portray yourself as in every way that defines your greatness? For an entitled child like Griffith, those are some volatile ingredients.
You think Griffith is doing this to make the world a safer place for humans?
Oh boy, I hope you're right, but I'm guessing "Eclipse 2.0"
Fuck Griffith indeed! Bittersweet ending probably incoming but if Griffith dies horribly, I'll be satisfied.
Never really got to watch the original so I didn't know about the inspiration.
So while watching the series, really hated this character. Reminded me of someone and then it all clicked in the end.
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Never really got to watch the original so I didn't know about the inspiration.
So while watching the series, really hated this character. Reminded me of someone and then it all clicked in the end.
This is wrong 'cause its a contradiction with the nature of the sacrifice explained by Slan during the Count ceremony, as well as later actions by Griffith demonstrate he had affection for Guts.
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Griffith is the greatest villain in fiction probably, sexy naked ambition but with lots of pathos. Dude is worthy of some truly biblical hatred
Griffith didn't do that much bad.
Femto on the other hand...
Yes, I do believe they are not the same.
Femto on the other hand...
Yes, I do believe they are not the same.
Lol are you serious? You know what Griffith did to become Femto, right?
Considering that the first thing "femto" did was raping casca for real ( he wasn't able to do it while being crippled), I hardly doubt that.
Yes. But it was something that I'd guess most people in the same situation would have also done (and regretting it immediately, but still doing it).
In my view, he absolutely without question had a choice. This comes up from time to time as part of the "Griffith did nothing wrong" bit. I'm not sure if you've read the manga or have only seen the anime adaptations, but The Black Swordsman Arc partially exists to show this choice, particularly with the character of The Count. The Berserk manga starts in medias res with this arc and The Golden Age is a flashback that is shown after it. The Count's choice and Griffith's choice are juxtaposed in this way to show how purely terrible and selfish Griffith's decision was.
My biggest gripe with the various adaptations of Berserk is that they all skip this. I get that it makes the Eclipse more shocking to not already know the choice Griffith made, but skipping The Black Swordsman Arc also makes it less clear that he had a choice to begin with.
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Yeah, I guess the author got old or lost his fire, but after Griffith resurrection, the manga lost a lot of the insane rage dwelling within and became sort of tame with the great adventures of the fellowship of the ring euh the armor.
I disagree, but that's not to say you are wrong, just I have my own interpretation I've developed over the last 20 years. I see that ceremony as Griffith accepting his true nature rather than denying it to be something he's not. "Griffith" was an act. He was always Femto.
Griffith struggled with trying to fit into the mold of what he feels is a normal human in a few brief isolated moments. I think he believed that a person was supposed to feel something about people who cared about him, but he approached the concept of affection as this abstract metaphor while gestating. When he sacrificed his men, did he weep about what he had to do? Hell no. He reveled in the chance to one-up Guts once and for all. (Their first Duel was him 5 minutes after waking up after a days-long coma, after all.)
I think it comes down to two camps: "Griffith is dead and Femto is a new being with no Grtiffith left inside anymore" or "Griffith was always Femto." I'm in the latter camp. I think when Caska gets raped, it wasn't "ooga booga me monster me rape now" it was "Okay, Guts. I knew all about Caska's feelings for me and used it to manipulate her into serving me. She dares speak about me like a pathetic cripple while loving you, now? I'll remind you where you belong." Most people see the beautiful facade of Griffith and get seduced into thinking he's 'good.' Even the reader. However, only when his attractive veneer is stripped do people notice what a monster he is. But, what he did? He's been doing it for years to others. He was always a monster.
At this point in the story, the symbolism isn't subtle. Griffith is a king in a city on a hill. He has a legion of worshippers and is surrounded by all the signs of his good works that put everything else in the world to shame.
Guts is a dirty wanderer with a band of malcontents slinking around the countryside. In comparison to Griffith he has managed to save far fewer people and do less visible good for the world.
But there's no question that everything Griffith has is based on an unforgivable atrocity (the ultimate symbol of which is literally a rape), while Guts conscience is - in his own bloody way - clear.
Guts is a dirty wanderer with a band of malcontents slinking around the countryside. In comparison to Griffith he has managed to save far fewer people and do less visible good for the world.
But there's no question that everything Griffith has is based on an unforgivable atrocity (the ultimate symbol of which is literally a rape), while Guts conscience is - in his own bloody way - clear.
I'd also like to share a post I made in the Berserk OT regarding Griffith's act of self-destruction:
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This is a damn good post. Thanks for sharing it.
It's pretty much a JRPG manga now from what I can see by skimming through the newer chapters. The only manga I think that deserves the praise heaped on it is Vagabond.
You can do other things like think. Our response to media isn't limited to reacting emotionally.
I do kind of wonder, how the Behelit really affects people. Like what does it actually do when it warps them. If people who have the Crimson Behelit are destined to lose their humanity, then did Griffith really have a choice? If it's a pre-determined path coming out of some magical, demonic power then Griffith finding the Crimson Behelit kind of doomed him to becoming evil. You can't even get rid of it if you wanted to since it apparently comes back. So it's more like a curse.
the manga implies (or outright say, I don't remember) that while a crimson behelit will always come back to his owner, its activaction is a choice, not something dictated by fate.
I read the manga. When the eclipse goes down, Griffith still seems clueless until hes basically one of them. Then hes like "see? I was destined for this." But, during the transformation, he very much seems in a state of bewilderment, almost as if he didnt believe his own bullshit until that moment. I'm not apologizing for Griffith either but he and the count ARE very different characters.
There won't be an eclipse 2.0 because that happens every 500 yrs or so set by specific conditions. We still don't know Griffiths true end game.
True but you expect demons to do bad things. Shou is just a guy.
If you were trapped in a room with Griffith and Shou and you had a gun with only one bullet, who would you shoot?
I bet Terrorsandwich will be up there with Griffith in terms of FUCKED UP
I think they probably to some extent share the same psychology...they just manifest their ego in different ways and on different scales because of the power available to them and their circumstances in their respective worlds.