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Manga |OT|: No matter how I look at it, it's discord's fault we're not popular

Oct 25, 2017
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Shonen is filled with misogynistic crap and a lot of it is brushed off as "for the teens". Is this really what Japan wants their male teens to be reading?
I'd rather writers have the freedom to create content, within reason, of what they want instead of presenting the implication that there is a sort of set of universal morals and ethics that writers ought to uphold just for the sake of creating only content that "enriches the development of the minds of Japanese youths."

Most readers ought to be able to, for example, see Diabolik Lovers and understand hat only in fiction would throwing a girl in the pool for not saying you're the best would go unpunished. And clearly that that guy is the best husbando but is clearly not the type of guy you'd fall for in the real. I'd hate if dialover was never made.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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OPM 99 Part 3

lmao Phoenix Man still wasn't done. I liked that Child Emperor had to outsmart him instead of beating him in a contest of strength, it made for a funnier ending.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Jigokuraku Vol 1

Really enjoying this so far. It doesn't have furigana so I'm taking it a bit slower than usual, looking up more words than I usually would, but it also gives me more time to look at the art.

I like that I'm not really sure where this series is going to go. Some characters that I thought would be somewhat important got quickly (and gruesomely) dispatched haha... I also like how even though they keep on showing you supernatural feats throughout, they only show you the really weird stuff right at the end of the volume. It makes for a good cliffhanger. Really keen to see what's next.

Radiant 30



lol
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,562
Brazil
Shonen is filled with misogynistic crap and a lot of it is brushed off as "for the teens". Is this really what Japan wants their male teens to be reading?
That's on the publisher and the editorial of the magazine to decide what is published and the public itself buying the material. It's not like parents out there in Japan didn't protest about some series before in shounen magazines, sometimes that happens but you can count in one hand the times that changed something which was basically only Harenchi Gakuen which was cancelled in the 70s as one of the first ecchi manga.

And the readership of any magazine and it's demography depends. Here examples for the magazines of Shueisha:



With Shonen Jump for example, here's a more detailed readership percentage:
9 years old and below (3,2%), 10-12 (9,6%), 13-15 (16,4%), 16-18 (17,6%), 19-24 (25,8%), 25 and above (27,4%)

You can see more details for the other magazines here, which is also a source for the images above.
http://www.mangamag.fr/actualite/ac...pre-publication-de-manga-de-shueisha-en-2018/

In the case of Shonen magazine which is a directly competitor being also a weekly shonen anthology, their readership of teenagers and children are quite smaller in comparison to WSJ and most of their public is above 20.

Yes, but it's more prominent in Shonen, especially when so many series are just male wish fulfillment crap. We are seeing more mangaka write more balanced stories but the genre is still filled with shit.
Shonen isn't a genre, it's a demography. Even if you're using it for Battle Shonen, it's called Battle Manga in japan for a reason as it can fill every demography.

I guess that will change the when more magazines want prominent Western audiences. It seemed to help Jump cut down on the stuff anyway.
That's not going to happen. Manga is a domestic product much like the magazines and publishers are domestic as well. There's a reason for why licensing exists since the publishers don't have subsidiaries in other countries for that, which in comics market that's quite common even in the US considering that Image, Marvel, DC and many others have to license their series to publishers of other countries as well.

And what is your example on jump? You must be talking about Viz Shonen Jump because the actual magazine shonen jump never did something like that, which in that case makes your example quite weird as the english shonen jump isn't the original and is irrelevant for the case.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd rather writers have the freedom to create content, within reason, of what they want instead of presenting the implication that there is a sort of set of universal morals and ethics that writers ought to uphold just for the sake of creating only content that "enriches the development of the minds of Japanese youths."
No one is talking about making them illegal. But critique is inherently a part of any creative work. If mangaka don't wanna be called out for sexist shit, then they should either change it or get thicker skin. Or draw privately and don't publish. When you make a public work, people critique it. It's a sign of a mature art. Uncultured trash is when these things are suppressed in favor of shallow discussions.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Brazil
Shinshunki Bitter Change #63

I can't believe we're probably getting a happy end unlike what happened in the original web manga. Can't wait to see future chapters and developments.
 

AoM

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Oct 31, 2017
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Ordered some volumes (I'll post pics when I get all of them), but one of them has a small hole in the cover, which I don't mind that much, but for another, the pages are somewhat warped to one side. I'm trying to stack other books on top of it to straighten it out, but I might just send it back for another at this point. Lately I've been having constant damage issues when ordering from Amazon.
No one is talking about making them illegal. But critique is inherently a part of any creative work. If mangaka don't wanna be called out for sexist shit, then they should either change it or get thicker skin. Or draw privately and don't publish. When you make a public work, people critique it. It's a sign of a mature art. Uncultured trash is when these things are suppressed in favor of shallow discussions.
Also, thank you for this post. I was thinking of a reply, but couldn't put one together as perspicuous as this.
 
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Jul 14, 2018
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Read Punpun and Umibe back to back. Anyone have a recommendation for something kind of dumb but consistent and upbeat so I can mend my emotions back together? Something like HxH I guess. Not a Naruto or a Fairy Tail.

Also anyone ever read Innocent? Is it any good?
 

AoM

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Oct 31, 2017
2,303
Read Punpun and Umibe back to back. Anyone have a recommendation for something kind of dumb but consistent and upbeat so I can mend my emotions back together? Something like HxH I guess. Not a Naruto or a Fairy Tail.

Also anyone ever read Innocent? Is it any good?
Wait, what do you mean by dumb? Because I think that's the last word I would use when talking about HxH lol.
 
Jul 14, 2018
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Wait, what do you mean by dumb? Because I think that's the last word I would use when talking about HxH lol.
Dumb fun I guess. Easy to read, very upfront with its objectives. Don't have to read between the lines, or feel anything too significant emotionally. Don't get me wrong, I really like HxH and I think it's great (latest arc notwithstanding). But I wouldn't call it deep. But despite thinking that, I do also feel that the writing and characterization is a step above what I have read from the likes of Naruto/Fairy Tail/Bleach ect.
 

AoM

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Oct 31, 2017
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Dumb fun I guess. Easy to read, very upfront with its objectives. Don't have to read between the lines, or feel anything too significant emotionally. Don't get me wrong, I really like HxH and I think it's great (latest arc notwithstanding). But I wouldn't call it deep. But despite thinking that, I do also feel that the writing and characterization is a step above what I have read from the likes of Naruto/Fairy Tail/Bleach ect.
At the end of the day, it's still a battle shonen, and I'd say it's pretty deep given that restriction.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Read Punpun and Umibe back to back. Anyone have a recommendation for something kind of dumb but consistent and upbeat so I can mend my emotions back together? Something like HxH I guess. Not a Naruto or a Fairy Tail.

Also anyone ever read Innocent? Is it any good?
Bolded doesn't make sense to me lol. HxH is neither upbeat nor dumb. But anyway, I guess try Orient? It's by the creator of Magi.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Read Punpun and Umibe back to back. Anyone have a recommendation for something kind of dumb but consistent and upbeat so I can mend my emotions back together? Something like HxH I guess. Not a Naruto or a Fairy Tail.

Also anyone ever read Innocent? Is it any good?
Read Haikyuu
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Netherlands
Read Punpun and Umibe back to back. Anyone have a recommendation for something kind of dumb but consistent and upbeat so I can mend my emotions back together? Something like HxH I guess. Not a Naruto or a Fairy Tail.

Also anyone ever read Innocent? Is it any good?
Dr. Stone is what you need. Also Kimetsu no Yaiba, for INOSUKE.

But if you want a cast of dummies to love read Black Clover.
 
Jul 14, 2018
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Not really into sports manga. Thanks though.

Dr. Stone is what you need. Also Kimetsu no Yaiba, for INOSUKE.

But if you want a cast of dummies to love read Black Clover.
Yaiba looks almost exactly what I'm looking for. Dr stone looks decent as well. I have not heard very good things about black clover though. Thanks for the suggestions, look perfect for cooling down with.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Beware of digital release of Vol. 6, Kaguya-sama: Love Is War
I didn't notice this yellow blue image in my Japanese import. Somehow Viz Media added this in my Kindle copy. You will also have to look forward to Kaguya calling President as President Shirogane Vol. 7 onwards.

 
Oct 25, 2017
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Asadora! 5-6
Well the opening chapter did label this as a series about the full life of Asa. Little did we know that it would be the story of her spending decades trying to pay off the massive amount of rice balls she bought on credit as emergency relief.

Interested to see what the pilots plan is.

Hinomaru Zumou 217-218
The more subdued heart pupils are kind of startling lol. Almost want Sanji heart eyes but those are too comical for these scenes.

Switch 8-11
:(

Pretty sudden and I'm not sure how I feel about the execution of this plot point. I suppose the author wanted to get to make sure that this event occurred by the end of volume 1. Should get a better sense of how the series will progress in the next couple of chapters now that we are through the "prolouge" of sorts.

Inosuke is the best
Indeed
 
Oct 25, 2017
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In Haikyu, does Shoyo actually have red hair, as in, it's not just stylized like most series?
Watching through the English, and they have Ukai calling him a ginger, which I don't think was in the Japanese.
 
Dec 23, 2017
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Nisekoi I've just completed the manga, which I started in December after finding out it after a suggestion of a similar manga to We Can't Study - my impressions will be under spoiler, because I will make some references to some characters who don't immediately appear in the beginning (or they appear in a particular way), but I absolutely suggest it to anyone who liked even just a bit We Can't Study, because Nisekoi is even better.

First of all, I was warned about the presence of a lot of fillter chapters - anyway not only I liked most of them (except for the strange weapongs of Claude which Tsugumi brought any time to school without any reason, but they fell in place with the point of the story in which they were set. Maybe it's because I read all the around 200 chapters in one month, but there wasn't any moment in which I stopped to read just because what I was reading wasn't getting my attention (and there are manga which succeed in doind this, like Bleach and the new Eden's Zero, both of which I dropped).
Then, we can move on the story. The specularity of the beginning and of the ending of Raku's story is absolutely well done: first he promised to marry Onodera when he was young and just pretended to be engaged with Chitoge because of their clan clashes (how much fun were the family members of Raku?? I loved them from the first chapters, in their complete absurdity), then at the end he rejects Onodera and gets married which the person with which he shared a false love. Also the way in which both Chitoge and Raku start to develop their reciprocal feelings seems quite natural, particularly in the chapters about the theater piece of Romeo and Giulietta, one of the best part of all the story (now I understand why the authour of We Can't Study gave so much importance to a similar scene in that manga).
Anyway Nisekoi is clearly an harem manga, in addition to be a comedy and love story manga, so I should add some consideration for each one of the girl who fell in love with Raku (his classmates were right to be angry with him!):
1) Onodera: honestly I didn't find her so appealing, her development was quite inferior to the other characters, there were nice moments like the Christmas' eve but it was in a point of the manga in which it was clear what the ending would have been. Basically in all the situations with Raku she was embarassed and rarely was able to do something more.
2) Tsugumi: she's one of my favourite characters of Nisekoi, from the first chapters in which she (not he, Claude) appears until the end in which she completely changes her life. Differently from Onodera, despite being imbarassed by the only presence of Raku, all their interactions and dialogues seemed more vivid and the way in which she declares her love to Raku hit me, I never thought that she could decide do to it, ma in that way.
3) Marika: this is how a character can be hated at first, really appreciated at the end of a manga. She's maybe the more reflective and active member of the group, she knows everything about the past and she knows she doesn't have any chance but she never surrenders, and the ending of her story is better in some aspects then the ending of the manga itself, which honestly seemed a bit rushed.
4) Yui: well, maybe she's the only character of this harem group which didn't add a lot to the manga, these are the only filler chapters which weren't so brilliant, even though she was a nice characters and had a lot of potential, but suffered from being introduced so late in the story.
5) Haru Onodera: talking about filler chapters, I really liked all the chapters with her! Thanks to Raku, she was able to go over her uncertainty, to confess herself what love is and understand more about her future. Fortunately she didn't tell Onodera that Raku liked her, instead Chitoge would never have had a chance. Good job.
6) Chitoge: last but not least, she's the best girl, with a perfect development through the story. Her feelings were perfectly displayed with her words and her actions, the author clearly put a lot on effort on her and all the Chitoge fan should really thank (I admit, I absolutely was a Chitoge fan from the theater chapters!)
Then we should not forget Ruri and Shu, for a manga of this genre they were very well written secondary characters, particularly Shu and his love for Kyoko.

To sum up, I suggest this manga if you like "slife-of-life" manga and want something to read without having to be too much careful (like it could be with Death Note ot Liar Game, for instance).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Oh I just remembered that Kimetsu no Yaiba vol 14 and Yakusoku no Neverland vol 12 are coming out in two days. Good way to finish the holiday break :D

Jigokuraku vol 2

Still really enjoying this. Lots of mystery, the fight against Rokurouta was fun, and I enjoyed seeing Sagiri get her shit together and be badass again. It'll be interesting to see when/if/how the different groups will meet each other.