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Manifold Garden will release on Xbox Series X|S as a next-gen upgrade at launch via Smart Delivery due to limited Dev Resources [Check Threadmarks]

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Ryo Hazuki

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So if you own this on Xbox One you can upgrade for free on November 10 for the Series X|S version. The timed next-gen stuff is weird but cool for those who have it on Xbox or have yet to play this good puzzle game.

Update: Clarification on exclusivity

Thought I'd post this in the OP as the exclusivity has been questioned but it's been clarified in the thread by the Manifold Garden producer. This decision was based on the small team having to prioritise. This wasn't a business deal, just what the team tackled first by choice due to the size of the team.

Syrenne said:
Hey! We weren't offered any money. This was just a decision because of limited resources and only having five people working full time on the team.
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Update #2: Further information on exclusivity, PS5 upgrade, additional upgrade info

Syrenne said:
Hey all, just a few last bullet points here to help clear things up. I appreciate all the questions and discussion about the game! The Xbox Series X version of Manifold is something I was the project lead on and I'm super passionate about it. I can't wait until next week when we have footage and more details to show.

  • We can't talk about the business realities such as why we're on Xbox first vs PlayStation, who authored what language, etc. I can however be clear - no deal was signed, nor money changed hands, regarding a next-gen upgrade policy. We were working on the Series X|S version, and it was ready for launch (in fact, it's already live for anyone with the hardware as of today.) No conspiracy theories here.
  • The fact that our PlayStation answer is "stay tuned" comes from us, not any of our business partners. We don't want to talk about things until we have details and an announcement ready.
  • While the contents of it may be redundant for many on this forum who keep up to date with how these programs work, we put together an FAQ about the Xbox console upgrade process in relation to Manifold Garden, as well as the Series X|S versions of the game, that you can find here. Again, hardcore industry followers aren't necessarily the target audience, but you can hopefully find something of value there!
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Xbox Series X|S Console Upgrade FAQ

Xbox Series X|S Console Upgrade FAQ

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Montresor

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I wonder if the developer making that tweet realizes what kind of negative connotations "timed exclusive" has.

My prediction is this may be a Yakuza Like A Dragon situation. Where no one is actually explicitly money-hatting the game. But the way the chips are falling, the developer may simply be prioritizing the Xbox version of the next-gen upgrade. And not being actively paid to delay another console's upgrade.
 
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Montresor said:
I wonder if the developer making that tweet realizes what kind of negative connotations "timed exclusive" has.

My prediction is this may be a Yakuza Like A Dragon situation. Where no one is actually explicitly money-hatting the game. But the way the chips are falling, the developer may simply be prioritizing the Xbox version of the next-gen upgrade. And not being actively paid to delay another console's upgrade.
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lmao
 
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Reminder that both Microsoft and Sony are guilty of this dumb temporary exclusivity moneyhatting.
 
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Montresor said:
I wonder if the developer making that tweet realizes what kind of negative connotations "timed exclusive" has.

My prediction is this may be a Yakuza Like A Dragon situation. Where no one is actually explicitly money-hatting the game. But the way the chips are falling, the developer may simply be prioritizing the Xbox version of the next-gen upgrade. And not being actively paid to delay another console's upgrade.
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Wait, where is the evidence that Like a dragon wasn't moneyhatted?
 

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will people finally admit that there are next-gen temp exclusive upgrades finally? the mental gymnastics around Yakuza 7 were quite the sight to see
 
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Montresor said:
I wonder if the developer making that tweet realizes what kind of negative connotations "timed exclusive" has.

My prediction is this may be a Yakuza Like A Dragon situation. Where no one is actually explicitly money-hatting the game. But the way the chips are falling, the developer may simply be prioritizing the Xbox version of the next-gen upgrade. And not being actively paid to delay another console's upgrade.
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Yeah right, Yakuza is prioritizing an Xbox console of all things to upgrade without any financial incentive... that's probably what happened for sure.

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Montresor said:
I wonder if the developer making that tweet realizes what kind of negative connotations "timed exclusive" has.
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I think it's a Microsoft policy now that games are described as such when they are. They have been super clear about this on all of their titles for the last few years.
 
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Phil "I don't like exclusives except when we get them" Spencer putting in work, yet again.

Syrenne said:
Hey! We weren't offered any money. This was just a decision because of limited resources and only having five people working full time on the team.
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And I'm wrong seconds later. Sorry, Syrenne!
 

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Timed exclusive for an old game no one cares about it's weird, like really weird.

I can understand Yakuza 7 since it's new, but this?
 
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EvilBoris said:
I think it's a Microsoft policy now that games are described as such when they are. They have been super clear about this on all of their titles for the last few years.
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Yakuza was so clear the whole time, Microsoft must be the one pushing for this kind of transparency as there was never any doubt about what was happening with that game's exclusivity arrangement, right?

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PlanetSmasher said:
And I'm wrong seconds later. Sorry, Syrenne!
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No worries! As soon as I saw the thread I was like "oh wait people probably think this was a business transaction."

Nope! We're very excited about the Series X|S version of the game, but we shipped on Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and Switch earlier this year, and are out on Steam next week. This is just a resource decision.
 
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Syrenne said:
Hey! We weren't offered any money. This was just a decision because of limited resources and only having five people working full time on the team.
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Then why market it as a timed-exclusive and not just say "we will be able to do Xbox at launch and are working on other platforms as soon as we're able"?
 
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Syrenne said:
No worries! As soon as I saw the thread I was like "oh wait people probably think this was a business transaction."

Nope! We're very excited about the Series X|S version of the game, but we shipped on Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and Switch earlier this year, and are out on Steam next week. This is just a resource decision.
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Thanks for setting the record straight. Are there plans for a PS5 upgrade in the future?
 
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It seems weird to describe it as a Timed Exclusive if there was no deal in place to prioritize that version of the others. Just say you're working on upgrades and the upgrade for Xbox is first up.
 
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Raigor said:
You didn't even bother to read the thread.

Some of you are constatly looking for drama.
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I have actually, and that's not what "temporary exclusive" tells us, in spite of the now damage control.

I mean..
See below.

They can't even TALK about the PS5 patch, lol.
 
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I don't know if it's the case in this situation, but I think a lot of people confuse "a game being available first on one platform" with "moneyhatting." Sometimes dev kits are/aren't available, sometimes the studio's work bandwidth is only enough for one iteration at a time, and sometimes the strategy of marketing one release at a time makes more sense anyway. Sometimes it *is* a co-marketing thing, and that's not the end of the world; That's at least a publisher/platform helping with the resources behind the game's promotion.

You can pretty much tell if there's a co-marketing deal based on how silly answers to questions about other versions are. It's clear (but polite) if the dev says something like "please stay tuned."
 

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Elandyll said:
I have actually, and that's not what "temporary exclusive" tells us, in spite of the now damage control.
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"damage control" LMFAO

Get a fucking grip with this bullshit, you have a developer explaining that there was no money involved and you are right here trying to pretend that they are lying
 
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Syrenne said:
Hey! We weren't offered any money. This was just a decision because of limited resources and only having five people working full time on the team.
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You dont have to explain anything. I hope you dont take any of the replies here seriously for your own sanity. Good luck with your game.
 
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Syrenne said:
Hey! We weren't offered any money. This was just a decision because of limited resources and only having five people working full time on the team.
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i was going to say the timed exclusive is because the studio (you guys) are really small and can't afford give free upgrade to everyone... thanks for claryfing
 
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Nice to have an actual producer come in here and set the record straight before the rage began. That's much appreciated.
 
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