It needs to ship them any units not sell. those are fundamentally different concepts.
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Mario Kart 8, Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild Up 98%, 110%, and 111% in UK Last Week
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It needs to ship them any units not sell. those are fundamentally different concepts.
No they aren't. Productions shipments are different to end user sales. Sell in is closely related to sell through, the former rises and falls with the latter. It's no good shipping 20m units this year and then halting production in Q1 and Q2 of next year, I'm pretty sure investors will see through that ruse.
so you're extrapolating data from the UK to be representative of the world? for Nintendo?
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Since when is black friday a thing in the UK?
Also it's not the biggest week of the year, it's the last two weeks bwfore Christmas actually.
Mario kart sales increased by over 500% over the span of 3 weeks, same for the rest of the Switch lineup.
You're not helping your spin
Finally, everyone using "lol UK and Nintendo" as a security blanket need to think back to just how successful the Wii was here. It was a phenomenon. It's fair to say that Nintendo absolute dominated that era of gaming, it's only since the disaster Wii U that people came up with this idea that Nintendo is fundamentally weak here.
The Switch has been very successful IMO, it just isn't the Wii like success that got those 20m+ per year sales and pulled in huge numbers in the UK.
The UK is a market like any other if they aren't doing what they need to here then it will be true elsewhere.
The Switch has been very successful IMO, it just isn't the Wii like success that got those 20m+ per year sales and pulled in huge numbers in the UK.
The UK is a market like any other if they aren't doing what they need to here then it will be true elsewhere.
The numbers themselves don't show that. Nintendo performs worse in the UK relative to other major markets. That's not a security blanket, it's just the reality.
you brought up the 14.9 million number that Nintendo needs to hit for the fiscal year making it about Nintendo's outlook world wide as opposed to just in the UK. you asked for context. you got it. enjoy
This wouldn't have happened if they didn't switched genres Nintendo is on a roll
But your comp is
1) only for one week
2) only in the UK
3) based on % changes in revenue for software titles
4) completely missing any data on the # of SW/HW units sold (unless you've got some you aren't sharing?)
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Nintendo has done very well in Europe, it's UK they haven't done well in relatively.
20m units sold in requires a different strategy than 20m units shipped. You can't seriously claim there is not functional difference between shipped and sold. They are fundamentally different. 20m sold in is impossible for them bar significant discounting. 20m shipped can be achieved with a variety of strategies
Thankfully that is a worldwide shipment target and Nintendo has regions they do better than Sony in. The UK is typically not one of those regions so if the Switch is running close to Sony there, they are probably doing well for their shipment target.
If everyone here agreed that Nintendo did bad this black Friday in the UK, would you feel better?
What makes you think Nintendo won't hit 20 million this FY? Based on the information coming out it looks like Nintendo will either hit 20 million or come close. They're also on track to absolutely destroy their SW forecast. Next year also looks to be much better and will likely see the switch comfortably sell 20+ million.
Really not seeing how you're getting doom and gloom from these numbers.
Hmmm.... what? Like.... WHAT? lmao
I didn't even bother to read the rest .
Bruh,
These games have had double to triple % increases since the beginning of November. That is a fact provided by Christopher Dieng who knows U.K. sales as much as extremely trusted insiders like MVP Zhuge. Do people know the other games increased this past week? Yes. The difference here is the large growth these titles have had every week for the past 3-4 weeks.
Look we understand other games had deals that increased their sales substantially, and that's fantastic to hear since they are great games. The point of this thread is to highlight the large growth these titles have gone through for nearly a month despite a lack of large discounts. There is no spin this is factual.
Why are people comparing these figures to sales increases of games that were discounted to £15 in the case of Detroid, £25 in the case of God of War and £30 in the case of Spiderman?
The entire point is that these games are all substantially older than those three games, have not been discounted below £40 or so, and are still recording significant sales increases week on week. Comparing the percentage increases to PS4 and XB1 games that had massive discounts is utterly pointless.
The entire point is that these games are all substantially older than those three games, have not been discounted below £40 or so, and are still recording significant sales increases week on week. Comparing the percentage increases to PS4 and XB1 games that had massive discounts is utterly pointless.
Its been a borrowed tradition for many years.
Which numbers may I ask?
Aren't Nintendo games price protected? Even games that don't perform nearly as well maintain their price for this reason.
NPD and Media Create. Also the numbers Nintendo of France occasionally gives out.
I mean ignoring all of the other ridiculous arguments for a minute, how does the Switch selling less than another console automatically mean they're on trouble when it comes to reaching their fy goal? It's not like two consoles can't do extremely well at the same time...
How does that show Nintendo performs worse in the UK relative to other major markets, or to be more specific other European markets.
Isn't UK the biggest gaming market, followed closely by Germany/France? Do we have hardware and software numbers for all three relative to lets say the Wii.
Please have that quote become a long-lasting meme. Please. It's like a short and sweet "Square shot themselves in the foot".
Because those are other major markets, one of which is in Europe if you're going to narrow it down to Europe (the user I quoted was talking about worldwide sales for the Switch)
The Wii is irrelevant here, as the user in question was using performance in the UK to suggest the Switch was lagging worldwide. The UK is not the trend setter for the Switch and the numbers have shown that quite often.
"context is just another way of making excuses" lmfao
right up there with "niche-man" and "they can kiss their business goodbye"
right up there with "niche-man" and "they can kiss their business goodbye"
Finally, everyone using "lol Japan and Sony" as a security blanket need to think back to just how successful the PS2 was there. It was a phenomenon. It's fair to say that Sony absolute dominated that era of gaming, it's only since the disaster Vita that people came up with this idea that Sony is fundamentally weak there.
Japan is a market like any other if they aren't doing what they need to here then it will be true elsewhere.
Japan is a market like any other if they aren't doing what they need to here then it will be true elsewhere.
Btw Switch probably sold more during this BF week than during its launch week (80k) in the UK.
Momentum is strong.
Momentum is strong.
I think of the semi major markets UK is certainly one that the Switch has been least impressive in. However it is a very relevant machine there this gen which is better than most gens for Nintendo in the UK. The Wii/DS were a phenomenon there like the rest of the world but in historical context that is an outlier. I think they will have an extremely strong December with lots of software sold. I don't think they'll hit that 20 million target but the bottom line is going to look very healthy next quarterly report.
I don't think Nintendo were competitive on deals this BF but that is their MO. They hope to spread good sales at high prices over the course of Nov/Dec.
I don't think Nintendo were competitive on deals this BF but that is their MO. They hope to spread good sales at high prices over the course of Nov/Dec.
If one console does better than the other, it chops its head off and gain its sales.
It's the law.
Makes more sense. DO we have numbers to support this claim?
I was more talking about the claim of Nintendo being weak in the UK relative to other markets. I would say the best comparison would be other markets in the EU.
I was talking to a person that was talking about the Switch performance worldwide, That includes US and Japan which are Nintendo's two biggest markets. I also mentioned France which is in Europe.
Again, the UK does not set the trend for Switch sales. Anyone who claims that will have to prove it.
Not quite joining in the pile-on, but on a specific point:
Anyone familiar with the UK games market and Nintendo's place in it - for generations now - would tell you that they have had difficulties here since the N64.
In fact, I think there's an argument to be made that only the SNES and the Wii could be said to have been truly successful Nintendo home consoles here - the NES didn't get a real foothold, arguably due in large part to the success of the home computer here (Spectrum, C64, then ST and Amiga), the N64 was middling, GameCube was a flop, and Wii U was a catastrophe (and one that, coupled with the tepid take-off of the 3DS, did a lot to kill off/drastically reduce Nintendo's presence in general retail).
Sega - with the Master System and Megadrive - did good business here alongside the SNES, then Sony came in with the PlayStation and dominated against the N64 and Saturn. The PS2 was similarly dominant against Dreamcast, Xbox and GameCube, and it was only with the 360 and Wii, and the misstep of the PS3, that that position shifted. The PS4 felt very much like a return to the UK status quo since the mid-'90s - Sony on top, other platforms duking it out for second.
I think it's entirely fair to say that historically - for reasons of timing, gaming culture, platform-holder mistakes etc. - the UK is not a great market for Nintendo, and pointing to the Wii while ignoring the decades of struggle in the home console market seems a bit silly.