Are those "other points" relevant? Because I think you were bringing them up to distract from the fact that your argument is poor.
This has the be the most ironic comment coming from the poster that changed the goal posts multiple times, misrepresented the argument even more times, and still manages to ignore the relevant points and cherry pick when I mentioned themes!
Also to actually have a discussion and prove an argument is poor, you should actually address why the points aren't relevant, you know, kind of like what i've been doing the entire time?
You literally asked questions that were answered in the posts you quoted. The only one with poor arguments here are yours. But since you wanna try to project this on me let's have some fun with it!
1. I thought part of her arc was finding out legends aren't all they're cracked up to be?
So wait, you think her arch was being disillusioned with legends?
Never got a reply to that.
You know she doesn't even have to destroy it, right? She could just try to like, turn it 90 degrees?
So you've now gone from "she could just break something inside it!" to "she could lift the entire thing 90 degrees while on a moving space ship! Which wouldn't even solve the issue because they would you know, turn it back around?
What a shock that you never replied or mentioned this! Especially when you previously said:
How about this: she doesn't even need to stand against the army. She just needs to see the canon, and focus on it with her mind, and break something inside it. That's not standing against an army. Why doesn't she try to do that?
But then you immediatly went to the turning it route when I provided an explanation why that probably wouldn't work! Funny how you never came back to this either.
1. You keep ignoring that part of her arc was finding out legends aren't all they're cracked up to be
Now where did I do that in particular? And how was it relevant to the point you were specifically trying to make?
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So wait, you think her arch was being disillusioned with legends?
So you think her main arch is that?
Never got a reply to those, despite me asking you to clarify your standing on it! But sure
I'm the one with the bad arguments that I can't support huh?
So in TFA, when she's imprisoned with the storm trooper, she thinks "What the hey, in this life or death situation I'm in, I'll just randomly try a jedi mind trick. What's the worst that can happen? Let's just give it a shot."
In TLJ, why doesn't she think, "What the hey, in this life or death situation my friends are in, I'll just randomly try to move/destroy this cannon. What's the worst that can happen? Let's just give it a shot."
And here was what you literally quoted:
The giant fuck off cannon that is much much much bigger than rocks
Which was the literal point of what you quoted. There is a difference between:
and
You still haven't addressed this point btw!
Well except for this line:
So she makes the mental leap of "Luke lifted small rocks" to "I can lift an ass-load of rocks."
which directly ignored when I said:
We see in the OT Luke already able to lift multiple heavy objects at once, and it's already heavily implied he could have lifted an X-wing which would reasonably weigh an ass-load.
Which funny enough was in the post you were replying to!
But she is incapable of making the mental leap to "Maybe I can lift this cannon?"
Which AGAIN ignores the point I made with pictures lol.
Stories of Luke as a Jedi would likely involve him doing jedi shit like lifting objects with his mind (note OBJECTS NOT MASSIVE DESTROYER AT ATs)
That I also made there.
Oh and let's not forget this comment!
Please tell me when Luke lifted a metric ass-load of rocks all at once.
Which I also explained, and you never acknowlegdeged again.
Shhhh, if you bring up TLJ plot holes, you'll get roped into a days-long argument from which there is no escape.
Also love the passive aggressive remark here that I called out!
Because nothing you brought is a plot hole. By literal definition.
You want an actual example of a plothole?
In jurrasic park when the T-Rex escapes his enclosure and attacks the Jeep, it's clear the area it's in is flat. However when it pushes the jeep towards the broken enclosure it's suddenly a big fuck off pit.
That is a plot hole. Going "why didn't character x do y instead" is not a plot hole, at best it's poor writing or to apply it to your complaints about Rey learning too fast, a plot contrivance that she is somehow the best at learning jedi stuff ever, which I disagree with, but at least the statment itself doesn't incorrectly use definitions.
Not that it matters because I doubt you'll actually address any of these points.
It's sad that you can't just say, "Oh I didn't think of that. Yeah it's a bit of a fuck-up, innit?"
So either you lack all self awareness or you really are a troll.
All these were from the last one page or so lol, you never addressed ANY of the specific points I made multiple times. So it's pretty clear you're the only one not willing to address stuff or go "oh I didn't think of that".
To actually be able to have those moments you have to actually discuss and continue discussing the points brought up, including the points YOU YOURSELF MADE
. Instead when I provided my own points your examples disappeared!
But thanks for debating and for the continuous condescending tone
No worries! Thanks for the trolling, ignoring points, misrepresenting arguments, and projecting!
Like I said, next time just make it clear from the start that you don't actually care about reading people's posts or having a discussion! Because I went through each of your posts going through each point you made to discuss the reasons why I felt they were incorrect. If you're not willing to actually to do the same it seems pretty obvious which one of us is the one that doesn't actually want to acknowledge points they didn't consider.
I'm glad you are enjoying the ST.
Thanks! I hope you enjoy the next episode more!