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Martin Scorsese clarifies his Marvel movies comments: ‘There is only one Spielberg, Lucas
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It's through Regal which is a bigger chain though. The article is about independent theaters which wouldn't have the power like Regal does with several hundred multiplexes.
yeah that's fair enough. Hopefully things change in that regards.
He's certainly not wrong, I only ever watch marvel movies once unless it's just something playing in the background. Dark Knight is probably the only comic book movie I can think of that for me is imminently rewatchable and not just for the action.
And labelling movies as "pretentious shit" because they aren't Marvel isn't pathetic?
Scorsese never said everybody should only watch classics or cult movies, or that MCU is "crap". He said that, for HIM, "cinema" is another thing.
Phantom menace gets talked about as it's Star Wars, also it's talked about in the same way like, godfather 3 is talked about. Not in a great light.
Black panther is would argue would be talked about for its status as a huge and powerful black American film. Which is deserved and great. But I still think it's a way off being remembered for its status as a piece of cinema. Close with some of the killmonger stuff (especially his death scene) but yeah.
That said I could be wrong- all of us could be. We won't know for a while. But marvel I feel will be known for its sales first, and then some of the cinematic stuff a distant second.
I dont get people that keep saying he not wrong. He LITERALLY WRONG. Just looking to definition of word "cinema". He 100% made up his own bullshit.
I dont care if he say marvel movies is bad. Something like "its empty, corporate ordered thing that not reflecting the maker actually want to make" just why not say that?
Just not this pretentious incorrect bullshit
I dont care if he say marvel movies is bad. Something like "its empty, corporate ordered thing that not reflecting the maker actually want to make" just why not say that?
Just not this pretentious incorrect bullshit
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this is right out of 2003 lmaoI'll take the final battle in T2 over this
My post was about the people defending Scorsese while saying shit like that.
I know what Scorsese said, and i still think it's a dumb opinion. A dumb opinion based on a "old man yells at cloud" thing, that dismisses the work of hundreds of artists that work or have worked on marvel films.
Spielberg invented it, Lucas made it official and then Spielberg wanted his crown back. Then Cameron stomped all over them both.
So, Scorcese doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
All 3 directors he mentioned defined and redefined blockbusters. As in they ruled the summer blockbuster and at one time held the record for highest grossing movie of all time.
So while it's not one single director, it's Kevin Feige's vision that rules blockbusters now.
To ignore that is to diminish what he's done.
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Trash post. Comparing MAGA douchebags to MCU fans...
A new low here, but somehow the toxic side is the one against the shitty Scorsese takes, lmao.
Am I missing something? Are other kinds of movies not being made anymore? Are theaters not showing other films anymore? Some of the greatest works of cinema have been created in the past 10 years, hell, even the last 5 years, is he pretending they don't actually exist? Really smells like someone giving out a controversial opinion for the sake of publicity.
It's not even about MCU stuff, I actually do think Disney (and by extension Marvel) is having a negative effect on the movie industry as a whole. But what Scorsese is saying is just bullshit.
It's not even about MCU stuff, I actually do think Disney (and by extension Marvel) is having a negative effect on the movie industry as a whole. But what Scorsese is saying is just bullshit.
Scorsese also produces smaller projects from artists like Joanna Hogg so they can get made. The Souvenir would not have happened without him.
Also the Disney remakes are more killing cinema than the MCU
Someone should be in movie jail after the cinematic disaster known as The Lion King remake
Someone should be in movie jail after the cinematic disaster known as The Lion King remake
I have seen posters previously say the Russos are the best action directors working right now.
Yep.
It's weird to see fans of the most mainstream and popular movie franchise act like they are being persecuted.
hmmm, you've definitely convinced me that mcu stans are not humourless perennial victims
I do feel it's been slowly escalating since then, which I could be wrong. Studios have always chased money, but it feels like the primary focus has shifted since the 80s to being mainly on Blockbusters where before it was salt and peppered with a bigger variety. I'd have to fact check this though. But I don't believe something like the godfather or Goodfellas would be produced today from a major studio, instead the focus is on what makes the biggest amount of dollar. The slack is being carried by the smaller studios now.
I also don't believe that Marty puts the blame for this solely on the MCU. It's just the biggest thing as the moment and is filling a role that was already existing.
MCU = theme park attraction
Countless big dumb movies since the 80s = also theme park attractions
Blockbusters have definitely invaded Cinema the past 40 years or so. I can sympathize with Marty in wishing that the big studios weren't just interested in chasing grosses and were providing a system which produces an variety of cinema, complete with giving work to interesting creative minds.
The thing is though. The days that Marty wants back were a fluke. The studios were chasing grosses then as well. The only reason the focus went to critically revered directors back in the New Hollywood days is because the studios damn near went bankrupt before that. The studios were desperate and out of touch. That's the only way I can see things changing again. If somehow the superhero trend is actually a bubble and pops, leaving the people in charge to turn to other kinds of filmmaking. I don't see it happening though. For now, the studios are going to keep going where the money is, and that's cape films.
Are you telling me Star Wars didn't invade cinemas and merchandising to a similar extent during its original trilogy?
This is a lot like complaining about pop music being popular.
Most would agree that there should be room for other kinds of films but maybe filling up theaters nationwide isn't a realistic goal for independent and non-blockbusters and their budgets and distribution plans should continue to reflect that. Are there not streaming options that would make some of the best of these films more accessible to audiences looking for them?
Most would agree that there should be room for other kinds of films but maybe filling up theaters nationwide isn't a realistic goal for independent and non-blockbusters and their budgets and distribution plans should continue to reflect that. Are there not streaming options that would make some of the best of these films more accessible to audiences looking for them?
I'm not really sure how Marty commenting on the state of cinema has turned into two big threads about Marty vs the MCU. He didn't even say anything bad it.
He's talking about innovation. Marty came up in an era where filmmakers were constantly trying to push the boundaries of cinema. Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron (a little later) did this with great films that basically created the template that Hollywood has been imitating ever since because of the profit. Now we have a bajillion films that strive to replicate that success, but what do these films bring to the evolution of cinema that wasn't done before? Hence the "there is only one Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron". That ground has already been broken.
The films that do make their stamp don't come from the Disney's, Universal, and Paramount's of the world anymore. They come from smaller studios while the big guys save their funding for big blockbusters. Marty doesn't view cinema as a dollar figure, it's a culture to him, and he's saddened by the emphasis on crowd pleasing films over interesting works that progress the form.
He's talking about innovation. Marty came up in an era where filmmakers were constantly trying to push the boundaries of cinema. Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron (a little later) did this with great films that basically created the template that Hollywood has been imitating ever since because of the profit. Now we have a bajillion films that strive to replicate that success, but what do these films bring to the evolution of cinema that wasn't done before? Hence the "there is only one Spielberg, Lucas, and Cameron". That ground has already been broken.
The films that do make their stamp don't come from the Disney's, Universal, and Paramount's of the world anymore. They come from smaller studios while the big guys save their funding for big blockbusters. Marty doesn't view cinema as a dollar figure, it's a culture to him, and he's saddened by the emphasis on crowd pleasing films over interesting works that progress the form.
Yeah, but Lucas is Martin's friend, so he gets a pass...
We got three Star Wars movies in the span of 6 years and those were the only Star Wars movies we got for 20 years. Today we get 3 MCU movies in a single year. So no, I wouldn't say it's the same as the original trilogy.
Well, my statement of both sides being crazy is holding very true I see.
Not at all. Star Wars was gigantic but there were only 3 over a decade compared to the 20+ marvel movies over the last decade.
And yet we live in an age of YouTube/Vimeo/Facebook (make and distribute your own movies, channels etc) and gave rise to Netflix (now competing with Hollywood studios). Scorsese's complaint about MCU/theme park movies not being cinema isn't even directly focusing on the issue he claims. It's the studios not backing lesser films/creators not the success of such movies, yet he himself gets one of the largest funded movies from Netflix. In strict financial sense movies that create wealth for the studios should enable them to greenlight more diverse movies or be less risk adverse in their decision making for other creators.
It's a contrived stance, misplaced at best. The distribution of independent films, shorts, animations and more have never had such widespread digital or physical presence around the globe. Just because there are ebbs and flows of films/genres/studios dominating the cinema box office doesn't equate to those films being the bad guys or not cinema because creators label them one thing over another.
As for striving to push the boundaries of cinema how about the technology, techniques, audio, planning, pipeplines, collaborations etc that these sorts of theme park movies create through evolutionary or revolutionary methods? There's a ton of pushing the boundaries with theme park movies in the caliber of MCU. If Scorsese or posters do not see that it's their loss.
How about lowering the tools and costs involved to produce independent films? Do you think movies that Scorsese makes reduce entry points for independent studios or creators more so than theme park movies? Take a look at something like ASTARTES: Fan animated, don't you think the likes of Jurassic Park, MCU and theme park style shows/movies have lowered the entry points while pushing the boundaries of what is possible. I'd call that quite the contribution to cinema over the years.
I recall living in LA at the time and going to the cinema to see Star Wars (when it released, Empire specifically) and literally all cinemas were just playing that one movie over and over. I also recall that being for quite an extended period of time. The same happened in Australian cinemas for Terminator 2. Yet Scorsese heralds them and scorns modern theme park movies? I don't get it.
Welp, I guess people who find Scorce's statements unfair and a tad gatekeep-y are Nazis now, pack it in boys, the Anti-MCU crowd has reached their biggest low yet.
Sad to see that movie discourse on Era has reached this sort of level, but I guess some people just gotta feel good about their superior Cinema/Kino no matter the cost.
Sad to see that movie discourse on Era has reached this sort of level, but I guess some people just gotta feel good about their superior Cinema/Kino no matter the cost.
They were the grandfather to the movies he's complaining about, along with Jaws and Indiana Jones.
I wonder what pretentious crap should i be watching so that i can avoid being compared to MAGA dudes, just for liking some marvel movies.
Film snobs are the fucking worst.