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Martin Scorsese clarifies his Marvel movies comments: ‘There is only one Spielberg, Lucas

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ThousandEyes said:
like what makes Terminator 2 better than Black Panther.. Black Panther has richer themes and more depth
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It's a better made movie in every single regard? Also I don't agree about richer themes and more depth, Black Panther presents a really interesting conflict only to fall into some milquetoast bullshit at the end. The themes of fatalism and the ambiguity of technology in T2 are rendered far more thoughtfully and emotionally than anything in a Marvel movie.
 
Wackamole

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Dyno said:
You cant be that lacking in self awareness? You've essentially managed to say you like these things, but you like other things, if other people dont like the same other things as you they're lesser.
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No what i mean is that some people don't look any further. That's a shame. They don't have to but i think it's better to enrich yourself with other stuff that's being made. In games, music, movies, etc. If you just go by what's popular, you end up in a mediocre bubble. Not that these movies are always mediocre. Some are some are great in their genre. I can see how i could have worded that better. Even now.
 
excelsiorlef

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Mr Mom was the 9th highest grossing film in 1983.

Us out drew Hobbes and Shaw for 8th so far in 2019.
 
Tobor

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eXistor said:
A grandpa with a full, rich life of cinematic classics across many genres to his name. When someone like that has an opinion on the craft he clearly commands so very well I tend to listen and not dismiss what he says so easily.
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I love to listen to his stories on the old days and all that. That said he's clearly struggling with the changes in the industry, understandably.

What made me laugh was his calling out of Spielberg and Lucas. Typical Grandpa stuff. "It was ok when they did it". Come on.

It's interesting to me to see him use the term "theme park" movies. That's what I've been calling Avatar for years. So I guess I agree with him.

I have no issues with the state of the theater though. I only go to see Marvel movies and the odd blockbuster. Movies like the Irishman id rather watch at home anyway.
 
The Unsent

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I understand being corcerned about what films you think studios would back, that sounds like it could be frustrating as an artist, just disagree with being concerned what films the next generation is growing up on and what they define as cinema. Being judgemental of their tastes seems bitter and I wouldn't want to have that attitude myself.
 
mentalfloss

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Just looked through his filmography and realized I've never seen any of his flicks and don't really care to 🤷‍♂️

Edit: Nvm, I did see the godfather series. Liked the first, second was meh, third was hot garbage.
 
Soupman Prime

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Dr.Phibes said:
Apparently it's not ok since we end up getting huge threads about it.
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I think for many it's ok but there are some who don't agree with him and are arguing it which is fine. I love the MCU and seen every movie, I don't agree with him at all but not gonna argue. Just seems there's a lot of people angry or upset that the MCU has gotten bigger and bigger and even have the biggest movie of all time. Hell, there were a few people here who seemed to have been losing their minds as Endgame got closer to becoming the #1 movie of all time.
 
Dark Ninja

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If anything should be grateful those movies are keeping theaters alive. Can't wait for theaters to completely die out so these directors have to release everything on streaming services or the dreaded netflix they hate so much.
 
Dyno

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Wackamole said:
No what i mean is that some people don't look any further. That's a shame. They don't have to but i think it's better to enrich yourself with other stuff that's being made. In games, music, movies, etc. If you just go by what's popular, you end up in a mediocre bubble. Not that these movies are always mediocre. Some are some are great in their genre. I can see how i could have worded that better. Even now.
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Sure but at the end of the day that's what some people like. I can also understand why you'd feel that way being a big fan of classical compositions when it comes to music personally, but for people who dont seek it out it's most often because it does nothing for them is what I tend to find. And I guess that same thing extends to movies.

I definitely get why it feels like people would be missing out but I think for the individual it's often the opposite and they would be happier with their bubble.
 
Alexandros

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Night Hunter said:
Not to be overly hostile, but GTFO with that shit. What are you basing your opinion on?! Just because you say something that every third rate movie critic would disagree with doesn't put the onus on me to explain myself to you why I have a different opinion. That might sound like appeal to authority, but just ... no.

It's not even like I am some kind of movie snob or don't enjoy Marvel movies. Like, real cinephiles or whatever they are called would certainly call my taste in movies basic. But the complete and utter inability to just call a spade a spade is absolutely baffling.
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While you are obviously entitled to your opinion and it is no less valid than my own or anyone else's, isn't it an objective fact that the movies that you consider garbage are popular with audiences and critically acclaimed?
 
excelsiorlef

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mentalfloss said:
Just looked through his filmography and realized I've never seen any of his flicks and don't really care to 🤷‍♂️

Edit: Nvm, I did see the godfather series. Liked the first, second was meh, third was hot garbage.
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See when I made this mistake I was tired and at work and riffing off the top of my head

You made it while actively looking up his filmography?
 
UltimateHigh

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Vault said:
Cameron Diaz's Irish accent was a bigger crime Marty
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I didn't think leo fared that much better tbh, particularly standing next to daniel day lewis.

it's been awhile though.


mentalfloss said:
Just looked through his filmography and realized I've never seen any of his flicks and don't really care to 🤷‍♂️

Edit: Nvm, I did see the godfather series. Liked the first, second was meh, third was hot garbage.
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lmao.
 

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Ichthyosaurus said:
Then why is Star Wars seen as "cinema" over it? I'm not arguing that it's not true, it's the hypocrisy and that not every film has to be Schindler's List to be deserving of being seen as the same acclaim worth of sharing the screen.
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A lot of Star Wars has striking cinematography and exciting, propulsive editing for one thing compared to the really flat and basic storytelling of the MCU. Other than Solo which was kinda bland I've been so much more visually engaged by the recent SW movies than what Marvel's been putting out. Love it or hate it The Last Jedi is easily one of the most beautifully shot blockbusters in recent memory, it just feels more inherently cinematic instead of the sense I get from Marvel where I'm paying to see something on the big screen that wouldn't feel any different if I was watching it on my 30 inch screen at home.
 
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True Savior said:
I'm not implying any of that.
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So then what are you implying?


Because there is definitely alot of shitty films being shoved down peoples throats. But the MCU films (except Thor 2 and Ironman 2) do not fall into that category.


The new Rambo movie? Now THAT is a shitty movie. None of the MCU is as bad as that trash and does not deserve to be grouped up with it.
 
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Anth0ny said:
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there's only one lucas
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🔥🔥🔥

You roasted Lucas, instantly lmao.
 
Goron2000

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So much misinformation in here. It wasn't always like this.
Studios used to release 10-20 movies a year into cinemas and hope that some would be big hits to make up losses from others. Now studios put out 3-7 movies a year and they are all pumped full of money, advertising and focus testing to ensure they dominate the box office.
The owners of the juggernaut movies use money to strongarm cinemas into only showing their movies under threat of restricting access to their future movies. If they take away the few movies coming out that year then the cinema is in trouble.
The studios also use this threat to demand higher cuts of ticket sales which drives up ticket prices and forces cinemas to charge more for food to stay afloat.
Disney is destroying cinema and not because their movies are bad. People keep saying that Disney is saving the flopping cinema but they actively destroyed it and inflated it to use as their own screening platform.
 
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BlackGoku03

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MCU is the mumble rap/triple flow of cinema, confirmed.

If we're comparing to fast food, MCU is more like 5 Guys than McDonalds. It's satisfying, decent, but not groundbreaking.

And the suggestion that one of the greatest filmmakers of all time is salty over not making MCU films is stupid as fuck. His observation is simple, yet true. Yes, MCU films are cinema, but not the type of cinema Martin appreciates or is in the business of making.
 
excelsiorlef

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Remove Marvel and the landscape doesn't all of a sudden become prestige dominated playing field.

It'd just be something else that would be blamed
 
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He's right. But that's how film evolves. He grew up on cowboys and indians. Film as medium was expensive. Took time. Takes skill to make something worth a damn.

There's way more access to making a movie now. Everyone can do it. Entire corporations are making them based on numbers and testing.

We will get back to the stories and character arcs eventually. This would be like him picking on sphagetti westerns. Not being representative of all film.

I like marvel movies more than star wars..save for rogue one. But these are all stupendous spectacles on an amazing scale. People need to be amused.

Real life is full of fascism.
 
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Ichthyosaurus said:
I've seen many of his films. Wolf of Wall Street, Goodfellas, The Departed, Casino, Gangs of New York, Cape Fear, and The Family.
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So what? It doesn't change the fact that if you think his films are just "violent white men with guns", it's your fault for limiting your exposure to his wider filmography.
 
Wackamole

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Dyno said:
Sure but at the end of the day that's what some people like. I can also understand why you'd feel that way being a big fan of classical compositions when it comes to music personally, but for people who dont seek it out it's most often because it does nothing for them is what I tend to find. And I guess that same thing extends to movies.

I definitely get why it feels like people would be missing out but I think for the individual it's often the opposite and they would be happier with their bubble.
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Absolutely. And it works both ways. There are also people who like less popular stuff and ALSO limit themselves for some reason. It's all out there for us to enjoy.
These self imposed rules and limitations always seem a bit weird to me. But everyone should do as they please.
Not that you have to LIKE everything. Just .... be curious. Or not.. haha.
 
BlackGoku03

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Edgar said:
It is a business and a lucrative one, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Saying Mcu is a popcorn entertainment is not downplaying, it's calling what it is. Even people working in MCU know that.
But there's more to cinema than popcorn entertainment. That's all there's is to it.
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Good point because you have people arguing against him and they've never seen his movies. Some people here seem to only watch popcorn flicks.
 

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Scorsese the king.

I shudder to think at the hot takes people will have on Twitter again over this. Idk if people will be able to top "I cried at Endgame but have never felt anything," or the absolute lunacy of the insufferable and bird-brained Noah Berlatsky stating that Marvel and Scorsese are both bad for the same reasons, but we shall see.

Edit: lmao at this thread. If you cannot see why Terminator 2 is a great movie, while MCU movies are decidedly not, I'm not sure what to tell you.
 
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