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Martin Scorsese clarifies his Marvel movies comments: ‘There is only one Spielberg, Lucas
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Eh, not a good look for Scorsese IMO. But it's a harmless critique/opinion as far as I'm concerned. Calling it an invasion though is a little extreme.
I don't know why Marvel fans took this as some great insult to the most popular media franchise on planet Earth and why film snobs took this as some validation of Marvel as commercial dreck.
His concerns should probably be directed to the fact that the theater experience is too expensive for most people to justify seeing anything but the biggest and baddest movies on the screen. This isn't the 1980s anymore.
His concerns should probably be directed to the fact that the theater experience is too expensive for most people to justify seeing anything but the biggest and baddest movies on the screen. This isn't the 1980s anymore.
I get what he's saying, but were people really going out in droves to see Scorsese's kind of movie before the rise of the superhero movie, or did superhero movies create a brand new audience and revitalize a sagging box office rather than steal business from more artsy movies?
Looking forward to Era getting triggered again. There were some mind-bogging takes in that last thread lol.
It seems odd to slam Marvel for making 'theme park' movies, then to immediately praise James Cameron - who made the biggest movie of all time by making a three-hour amusement park ride.
I mean some of the MCU films can be seen as being on the same level as say Termiantor 2 or other classics by these guys
This is... Always how it's been?
Like this was a weird addition to his whole thing. There is hundreds of movies to premiere every year that aren't big blockbusters. But blockbusters have ALWAYS done good and dominated theaters. It is not some new phenomenon.
Also for someone's who next movie will primarily be seen on Netflix, it's weird that his has this huge focus on theaters when tons of lesser known movies that might have struggled at theaters can survive on services such as Netflix because now it's more affordable for people to see. People are more willing to give a lot of movies a shot that they wouldn't have otherwise seen.
That in my feeling is the closest he has gotten to: "Old man yelling at clouds"
So another person who has an idea of what something should be and then what things don't conform exactly to that, it is a problem.
Oh well I'll continue to enjoy what I enjoy, and that includes films made by Marty.
Oh well I'll continue to enjoy what I enjoy, and that includes films made by Marty.
In for another 20page thread of unchecked ageism, downplaying of Scorsese's films, and bafflingly propping up cookie cutter MCU films (like Captain Marvel) as stirring, prime examples of the art form at its peak
To go to the theater today with drink, snack etc. is close to $30 a person in my area. You can bet your ass at that sort of investment that I am only going to be going for those mass market blockbusters. Maybe on a streaming service eventually I will watch the more experimental films etc.
The prequels and rotj to an extent don't help the argument.
there's only one lucas
i seen a couple of that on twitter
some people were saying that Scorsese's movies are just "violent white men with guns"
Whenever a director complains about Marvel movies they always sound jealous, whether they actually are or not.
Lol at propping up Lucas though, like Star Wars isn't just a really well-made franchise with B-movie writing.
Lol at propping up Lucas though, like Star Wars isn't just a really well-made franchise with B-movie writing.
Everyone I work with laments the death of the theater experience and likes to throw the blame at Marvel's feet but audiences aren't seeing other movies because of cost. It really is that simple. A family of 5 with tickets and snacks is going to spend 100 bucks on an outing, they're not gonna watch something they can stream on Netflix in 3 months and get essentially the same experience. Even 10 years ago we had way less options for entertainment. No need to take your kid to the movies when they can watch Minecraft videos all day for free at home.
like what makes the action classics of those guys better than MCU
like what makes Terminator 2 better than Black Panther.. Black Panther has richer themes and more depth
what makes Jurassic Park better than Winter Soldier etc. etc.
like what makes Terminator 2 better than Black Panther.. Black Panther has richer themes and more depth
what makes Jurassic Park better than Winter Soldier etc. etc.
Don't all those directors make similar popcorn movies? Some of the MCU ones are even better than theirs(GoTG and Winter Soldier are better than any Star Wars.)
Like I'm sure this is his genuine opinion but a director making broad statements about X popular thing before their movie comes out always feels like I'm being AstroTurfed. Like some marketing firm is trying to galvanize film/dad twitter against the great evil that is the MCU by watching the savior of cinema The Irishman on Netflix™.
Also, all those directors are great but it still reeks of gatekeeping when you say these type of movies inspired by b level serials from my childhood are cinema but this other stuff is not. Its just kind of silly.
Also, all those directors are great but it still reeks of gatekeeping when you say these type of movies inspired by b level serials from my childhood are cinema but this other stuff is not. Its just kind of silly.
"That's right! We're here to burn your cities and eat your babies!" - Marvel Movies that exist in old people heads.
Yes. There is this weird delusion that somehow Blockbusters being the main thing people saw in theaters only started happening in the last 10 or so years, when you know. It was always like that.
but why do we praise T2 as the greatest action movie
why can't any MCU movie match it?
That's a direct quote from Pauline Kael's scathing review of Star Wars back in 1977. Its hilarious how history repeats and now Scorsese sounds just like the same stuck-up critics that shat on his friend's film all those years ago
Yeah it's really bizarre considering both Cameron and Lucas primarily make films like that.
There's a bunch of different factors going on. Movies in the theater are expensive, and rely on being out among the public who could very easily act like shit and ruin your whole, expensive experience. Meanwhile, prestige TV and streaming services have shown up and become go-to destinations for the types of experiences that people like Scorcese make, and quality home theater setups have gotten much more affordable. People like to view these more intimate stories in more intimate settings.
If you're going to go out to spend $12 to sit in front of a 50 foot screen with a hundred other people who probably won't shut up and let you follow the movie, you're going to want to see that massive screen used to surround you with spectacle.
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Whedon:
he's a terrible director. good writer, but watching the first Avengers now feels like watching Agents of Shield.
It's funny how he contradicts himself over and over again while giving his statement.
Marvel movies are not different than the blockbuster movies of back then. The men acknowledged by him were pioneers, but they made the same type of movies that you watch nowadays on the cinema.
Marvel movies are not different than the blockbuster movies of back then. The men acknowledged by him were pioneers, but they made the same type of movies that you watch nowadays on the cinema.
In a world where films like MM: Fury Road, Rogue One and Endgame exist, I certainly wouldn't argue that the likes of Lucas and Spielberg have a license on popcorn flicks, if that is what Martin is getting at.
It's less that and more that movies besides blockbusters rarely make much money nowadays in general. Ten years ago movies like the Hangover made nearly 300 million domestic. The only comedy to even break 100 million domestic in the last few years was like, Crazy Rich Asians.
Well, as an MCU fan and someone who has T2 in their top ten, there are no action sequences or CGI as groundbreaking as the ones on display in T2. T2 has also stood the test of time where people still refer to it as one of the greatest action movies of all time. Will the MCU be similar? We'll have to see.