It's pretty obvious why she wasn't and once it clicks it isn't weird at all. Black women getting shafted even when theyre on a poster of the biggest movie of the year.I couldn't understand why she was the only one on the poster not credited. It was so glaringly weird.
Are you serious? Have you been living under a rock?
What's weird is she actually got top billing on Infinity War poster, and that one doesn't credit Karen Gillan and Bradley Cooper.It's pretty obvious why she wasn't and once it clicks it isn't weird at all. Black women getting shafted even when theyre on a poster of the biggest movie of the year.
Credits is different than the poster lolErrrr. Did she get paid? Thats the question that im wondering. From what i know, if your name is not listed in the credit, it means you dont get paid. I had this experience once in my college, the teacher didnt put name on poster or credit roll list if the name owner didnt get paid. And we were in theatre business (stage play)
Yeah, directly in front of Robert Downey Jr.'s name, lol. They're both of approximately equal value to the franchise, right?Should've put her name all the way on the left. Like, wtf?
Absolute bullshit that she was put all the way on the right like some afterthought.
Yeah, directly in front of Robert Downey Jr.'s name, lol. They're both of approximately equal value to the franchise, right?
That desperation to change the narrationIts not a mistake, they didnt forget. Posters and billing are negotiated.
I wish they didnt change it without a proper explanation of why it was like that. People on social media cant always cry and get what they want around stuff they have no authority in.
ha, I must be under the same rock. I also had no idea, didn't recognize her without the hair. Crazy.
The fuckIts not a mistake, they didnt forget. Posters and billing are negotiated.
I wish they didnt change it without a proper explanation of why it was like that. People on social media cant always cry and get what they want around stuff they have no authority in.
Talking about the reality of the entertainment industry that most likely lead to this is derailing?I am not saying Disney did anything bad, I am mostly talking to people that are all like "Well actually" talking about contracts and shit. It is needless derailing and dismissive of her
They owe her top billing after fixing the omission? Come back to reality.
Pretty much
iirc, Mantis, Wong, and Rocket are on the IW poster but not on the billing
I have no idea how these negotiations go down
2 out of 3 of those actors are not White.
Hmmmmn.......
It's like there's a pattern.........
Yep, and it's not like Disney make these things themselves.Non white actors have lesser pull in negotiating billing. That's the reality.
2 out of 3 of those actors are not White.
Hmmmmn.......
It's like there's a pattern.........
3 out of 3 of those actors play secondary characters. It's quite reasonable.
Now, why are the non-white characters almost automatically the secondary characters? That's the issue.
The order in which actor's names appear on a poster might be contested as if it's a matter of life or death. It's no exaggeration to say that people have been sent to the electric chair with less wrangling or dispute than a handful of movie star names have been splashed onto a poster.
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While billing disputes are almost as old as cinema, the most important – at least in terms of trendsetting - may well be the arguments surrounding The Towering Inferno.
The Towering Inferno was a huge movie, and it had several huge movie stars in it. Hugest of all were Steve McQueen and Paul Newman, absolute monsters of 1970s Hollywood superstardom. As far as all public knowledge goes, they were paid exactly the same amount for the film, and apparently (though this might just be a great urban myth) given exactly the same amount of lines.
The story goes that McQueen didn't want Paul Newman to have more lines than he did, and so his role was rewritten significantly to expand it. Nor did he want Newman to get better billing on the poster. That bit sounds like it might have been a simpler request to fulfil, but satisfying the actors and their agents here actually needed a lot of creative thinking in its own right.
The original posters that gave us the notion of billing to start with would list cast members in a vertical stack. The higher on the page your name is, the better your position. At the same time, people reading posters in the English speaking world will read from left to right. It was by combining these two ideas that a poster was created to satisfy the billing needs for The Towering Inferno.
Welp. Poor Don Cheadle....only relevant black character in this movie being a rather umimportant side character...
The billing negotiations must have been especially weird when literally half the cast can't have their name or face on the poster, some of them pretty big names.I feel like this article should be mandatory reading to at least understand what the billing on poster means and how it comes together:
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/movie-posters/47412/the-dark-arts-of-poster-billing
As many in this thread have already said, these names don't just get decided by the movie company. They are a core part of the contracts. You can be pretty certain that the people who were responsible for the poster and the people who were responsible for the billing aren't the same people. So Danai Guriras' agents likely didn't negotiate for poster billing in their contract, while the PR team obviously still want to use the incredible marketing potential of Black Panther.
This isn't me saying that this is great or that the optics aren't terrible by her being the only person of color, but people thinking that either Disney just forgot or that it was malicious intent in them saying "let's use her for the poster, but let's NOT credit her as the only person, hehe" are likely off base. The billing is simply a symptom of the only relevant black character in this movie being a rather umimportant side character whos actor also has little to no clout in the industry or grounds to really negotiate for poster billing.
Yeah but at some point they have to put the names on the poster and it has to be approved. So why couldn't they notice what a bunch of people online instantly noticed?
Actually folks need to look themselves trying to make this about contracts and popularity when Jeremy Renner, and Karen Gillian got credit before she did. Cause at best it makes you look like clown shoes, at worse, suspect
Even weirder is that Shuri got billing and is on the poster and she's probably in the movie for less time than all of them except maybe Wong.3 out of 3 of those actors play secondary characters. It's quite reasonable.
Now, why are the non-white characters almost automatically the secondary characters? That's the issue.
I said this same thing to my friends! He's a bad actor and an even worse character, he gets top billing? okay
I didn't automatically assume anything. I looked at the facts and came to a conclusion. It just doesn't make sense that no one noticed it.The world is shitty enough, let's maybe not automatically assume the worst in people, especially when there are more logical explanations.
Did I say it was done in malice? No, I'm saying it was incompetence and that no one cared enough to notice because she's a black woman. I don't believe they consciously were like "let's leave the black woman out" but the fact that they didn't care to notice is just as much of a problem. You can still be influenced by and contribute to racial bias without malice or really without an accuse awareness of it. Unfortunately to those that have to experience it, they have no choice but to notice.Because the amount of people online is a lot higher than the amount of people in their marketing team. Maybe someone noticed but didn't care. But don't attribute to malice what is way easier explained by incompetence.
Cheadle weeps again.My guess is the name at the top wasnt negotiated, it just so happened the only person of color on the poster was the only one who didnt get that so it looked terrible. Glad they took care of it quickly.
LOL whoops... I forgot War Machine exists yet again
Because the amount of people online is a lot higher than the amount of people in their marketing team. Maybe someone noticed but didn't care. But don't attribute to malice what is way easier explained by incompetence.
It's surprising he gets any money after spoiling Infinity WarMaybe she has very little screen time in this one? Should have been there though.
Also interesting Ruffalo gets billing before Hemsworth.
Don't feel bad because I didn't realize it either (I stopped watching TWD at the start of season 4).Apparently I have too because I was today years old when it clicked.
To be fair, I haven't watched TWD since long before Black Panther dropped.
Some intern/employee made a mistake and it got corrected. Nothing more and nothing less. We don't have the information to conclude whether or not that mistake was borne out of malicious or racist intent, or if it was a benign oversight, etc... we just don't have that info.
To me there's nothing wrong with the original outcry, and good on Marvel for fixing it, but I just cannot wrap my head around the speculation ongoing regarding why the mistake happened in the first place.
I have no idea what you're talking ab-
I assume she has more motivation to protect and rebuild Wakanda after the destruction it suffered in Infinity War and the death of the king. She puts Wakanda above everything (including T'Challa), as we've seen in Black Panther. So, I don't think she'll have much of a role in Endgame.Kind of off topic but I wonder how much screen time she'll have. I mean her character does have the motivation of bringing T'challa back from the snap, but I can't imagine she's been following the Avengers around this whole time.