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Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
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Not sure if you're implying anything but Hulk not being in was completely due to the his license being separate from the deal with Activision and they couldn't use him. Hawkeye though was probably just a strange choice.
I'm not. In fact I'd love it if the entire original game's cast popped up here too. Although I'm hoping some more cartoon comic prominent characters pop up too like Moon Knight, Squirrel Girl, Devil Dinosaur.

Really hope we see even more of the roster in the next trailer which should be in the hopeful January direct
 

Zacmortar

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GIVE ME SHUMA GORATH

DO IIIIIIT

DO IT

MVCI COWARDED OUT

GIVE HIM TO ME

and also Sharon Rogers from Future Fight please, her design is amazing
 

spad3

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Oct 30, 2017
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Wait do we have any roster info past who shows up in the trailer?

For the most part, no. What we've seen in the trailer is it. The list is decent at this point in time

Here's how I'm hoping the character list plays out + new features:
  • Scarlet Witch (A) (X) (F) (TC)
  • Black Widow (A) (F) (TI) (L) (INS) (AoS) (PL)
  • Iron Man (A) (G) (I) (TI) (L) (SF) (PL)
  • Spider-Man (A) (FF) (NA) (TI) (S) (INS) (SF)
  • Falcon (A) (TC) (PL)
  • Thor (A) (B) (C)
  • Captain America (A) (TC) (L) (OT)
  • Vision (A) (B) (TI)
  • Hulk (A) (B) (C)
  • Nick Fury (probably playable? MUA1 had both versions of Fury playable) (A) (AoS) (OT) (L) (PL)
  • Drax (G) (B) (C) (OT)
  • Gamora (G) (F) (C)
  • Star Lord (G) (L) (C)
  • Rocket Raccoon + Groot (dual character) (G) (B as Groot only) (C)
  • Nebula (villain? playable? she was shown during the villains montage at the end but not confirmed if playable) (G) (F) (C)
  • Rogue (X) (F)
  • Cyclops (X) (L)
  • Wolverine (X) (NA) (SF) (OT)
  • She-Hulk (A) (NA) (B) (F) (D)
  • Crystal + Lockjaw (dual character) (IH) (F) (C)
It's safe to assume the most of the following will be in the game and playable as well:
  • Black Panther (A) (W) (I) (TI) (L)
  • Captain Marvel (A) (F) (AoS) (L) (B) (C)
  • Mantis (G) (F) (C) (INS)
  • Hawkeye (A) (NA) (TC) (AoS) (PL)
  • Winter Soldier (A) (OT) (TC) (AoS) (W)
  • Doctor Strange (A) (D) (I) (L) (C) (MK)
  • War Machine (A) (TI) (B) (PL)
  • Ant-Man/Giant-Man (A) (TC) (INS)
  • Wasp (A) (F) (INS)
  • Daredevil (A) (D) (L) (S) (MK) (SF)
  • Luke Cage (A) (D) (S)
  • Iron Fist (D) (S)
  • Punisher (MK) (SF) (PL) (S)
  • Jessica Jones (D) (F) (S)
  • Blade (S) (MK)
  • Quicksilver (A) (X)
  • Storm (X) (F) (W) (L) (A)
  • Okoye (W) (F) (PL)
  • Shuri (W) (F) (PL)
  • M'Baku (W) (B) (PL)
  • Namor (A) (W)
  • Nightcrawler (X)
  • Jean Grey (X) (F) (L) (C)
  • Iceman (X)
  • Colossus (X) (B)
  • Deadpool (X) (SF)
  • Ghost Rider (X) (AoS) (NA) (S) (MK)
  • Quake (AoS) (NA) (F) (IH)
  • Spider-Gwen (NA) (F) (SF) (INS)
  • Cloak and Dagger (dual character) (F as Dagger only) (S)
  • Black Bolt (IH) (I) (L) (C) (B)
  • Medusa (IH) (F) (L) (C)
  • Karnak + Gorgon (dual character) (IH) (B as Gorgon only) (C)
  • Triton (IH) (C)
  • Mr. Fantastic (FF) (I) (L)
  • Invisible Woman (FF) (F)
  • The Thing (FF) (B)
  • Human Torch (FF) (SF)
Dual Characters might be a new mechanic introduced based off the trailer. Dual characters look like they take up 2 character slots (assuming the loadout is still 4 characters) but count as one character. They have unique interactions with each other (Rocket can be seen riding Groot during one part of the trailer, only 3 character circles show up though) and can also be switched between one another within the same slot. It sounds really redundant because why not just have 4 characters as usual at that point, but hey, who knows.

Letters: Team Bonuses
Assuming they're building off of the previous games, we can expect team bonuses to return. Depending on how you build your team, you'll get a bonus passive buff to your build. My guess on the included teams (there probably will be more, but this would be a good start):

(A) - Avengers (overrides other teams)
Example: Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Thor = Avengers

(AoS) - Agents of SHIELD (gets overridden by any conflicting team, can combine with other teams)
Example: Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury, Captain Marvel = Avengers - Agents of SHIELD.
Example: Hawkeye, Black Widow, Quake, Ghost Rider = Agents of SHIELD

(B) - Brutes (gets overridden by any conflicting team, can combine with other teams)
Example: Hulk, Thor, Vision, War Machine = Avengers - Brutes
Example: Hulk, Drax, Thor, M'Baku = Brutes

(C) - Cosmic (gets overridden by any conflicting team, can combine with other teams)
Example: Captain Marvel, Drax, Black Bolt, Thor = Cosmic Brutes
Example: Captain Marvel, Thor, Star Lord, Gamora = Cosmic

(D) - Defenders (overrides other teams, nullifies Street Heroes)
Example: Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones

(F) - Femme Fatale (combines with other teams)
Example: Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Wasp = Avengers - Femme Fatale
Example: Black Widow, Okoye, Gamora, Invisible Woman = Femme Fatale

(FF) - Fantastic Four / Future Foundation (overrides other teams)
Example: Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch = Fantastic Four
Example: Spider-Man, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch = Future Foundation

(G) - Guardians of the Galaxy (overrides other teams, nullifies Cosmic)
Example: Star Lord, Gamora, Rocket+Groot

(INS) - Insects (gets overridden by any conflicting team, can combine with other teams)
Example: Spider-Man, Spider-Gwen, Black Widow, Ant-Man = Insects
Example: Spider-Gwen, Black Widow, Wasp, Mantis = Insects - Femme Fatale

(IH) - Inhumans (overrides other teams, nullifies Cosmic)
Example: Black Bolt, Medusa, Crystal+Lockjaw = Inhumans

(I) - Illuminati (overrides other teams, nullifies Leaders)
Example: Black Panther, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Doctor Strange = Illuminati

(L) - Leaders (gets overridden by any conflicting team, can combine with other teams)
Example: Black Panther, Star Lord, Iron Man, Nick Fury = Leaders
Example: Captain Marvel, Star Lord, Black Bolt, Jean Grey = Cosmic Leaders

(MK) - Marvel Knights (overrides other teams, nullifies Street Heroes)
Example: Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Blade = Marvel Knights

(NA) - New Avengers (overrides other teams)
Example: Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Wolverine, She-Hulk = New Avengers

(OT) - Old Timers (gets overridden by any conflicting team)
Example: Wolverine, Nick Fury, Winter Soldier, Captain America = Old Timers

(PL) - Powerless (gets overridden by any conflicting team)
Example: Iron Man, War Machine, Nick Fury, M'Baku = Powerless

(SF) - Spider-Friends (combines with other teams)
Example: Human Torch, Spider-Gwen, Daredevil, Spider-Man

(S) - Street Heroes (gets overridden by any conflicting team)
Example: Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist = Street Heroes

(TC) - Team Captain America (combines with other teams)
Example: Captain America, Hawkeye, Winter Soldier, Falcon = Avengers - Team Captain America

(TI) - Team Iron Man (combines with other teams)
Example: Iron Man, Black Panther, Spider-Man, War Machine - Avengers - Team Iron Man

(W) - Wakandan Forces (combines with other teams)
Example: Black Panther, Shuri, Okoye, M'Baku = Wakandan Forces
Example: Black Panther, Namor, Winter Soldier, Storm = Avengers - Wakandan Forces

(X) - X-Men (overrides other teams)
Example: Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, Nightcrawler = X-Men
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I mean Nintendo's done shorter window and usually release games in February and March and currently the only 2019 Nintendo published game with a release date is nsmbudx so I wouldn't rule out anything
This is a licensed title around a major Hollywood franchise. Nintendo doing that for its own titles doesn't mean much when the studio probably has a large influence over the release date

Why do people seem so convinced that MUA3 will be big? Genuine question. The Marvel license sure didn't help Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.
Probably because MvC:I was always for hardcore gamers (being a traditional fighting game that isn't Tekken or DC/MK), looked disappointing and received noting, but negative press pretty much immediately after it was first revealed
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Incorrect Publisher always has release date jurisdiction it comes with the territory
You're out of your mind if you think Disney has no say/influence. I know how videogame publishing works. I'm saying licensed titles always have more stipulations even when the studio itself isn't the publisher (which is the case 99% of the time)
 
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There is obviously some overlap, but this isn't at all marketed as movie tie in. I doubt they are in rush to hit the movie release date
 

KtotheRoc

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Why do people seem so convinced that MUA3 will be big? Genuine question. The Marvel license sure didn't help Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.

Avengers: Endgame hype. Nintendo marketing. General bigness of the Switch and many of its high profile games. X-Men are very prominent again. Length of time from previous MUA games (which means people may be hungry for it).
 

K Samedi

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Oct 27, 2017
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With online co op being bigger than ever, Avengers and Xmen being huge and the developer being good I think this will sell very well. I hope its actually an early 2019 game and it makes sense because we only know about Mario for early next year.
 

Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
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With online co op being bigger than ever, Avengers and Xmen being huge and the developer being good I think this will sell very well. I hope its actually an early 2019 game and it makes sense because we only know about Mario for early next year.
Yeah especially with how good the gameplay footage looks(say what you will about the art style but from a graphical standpoint the game looks really good and polished) for a first reveal to be made entirely of in game footage means it's in the final stages of development
 
Sep 20, 2018
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This game series (X-Men Legends, X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, and Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2) is literally my all-time fav, so I am beyond overjoyed to see it coming back, even if I doubt it will live-up to XML2 and MUA1. Regardless, this is my second most anticipated game of 2019 after DMC5.

When it comes to roster speculation, I doubt the final count will be higher than forty-eight, as the press release says that you can choose between "dozens" of characters, and I think if it were fifty, they would have said something like "choose between over 50 heroes" or something.
 

Mandos

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This game series (X-Men Legends, X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, and Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2) is literally my all-time fav, so I am beyond overjoyed to see it coming back, even if I doubt it will live-up to XML2 and MUA1. Regardless, this is my second most anticipated game of 2019 after DMC5.

When it comes to roster speculation, I doubt the final count will be higher than forty-eight, as the press release says that you can choose between "dozens" of characters, and I think if it were fifty, they would have said something like "choose between over 50 heroes" or something.
I'd say 36 to 48 myself. We are at 17 with vision who was just glimpses possibly less as it seems we have duo characters that take up a single slot. We have Avengers, Gotg, X-men and inhuman repped so far. Of the classic teams Marvel Knights is extremely likely (possibly rebranded defenders), although Fantastic Four are in the air but quite possible. Of newer teams to pop up in the comics and cartoons I'd say New Warriors, New Champions and Thinderbolts are all possible. Avengers will be heavily repped as always... xforce are a maybe. I've done plenty of speculation on specific characters so at this point I'll wait for the next info drop to say any more but I'd bet on a blow out in a January direct

Edit heck even the official site teases it
Assemble your ultimate team of Marvel Super Heroes from a huge cast including the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the X-Men, and more
 
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Rand a. Thor

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Man, thinking about this, I hope they also take influence from more of the recent stuff beyond lockjaw, Guardians being big now, and stuff like inhumans. I really want them to include the crazier stuff for the different skins, like offering Cosmic Ghost Rider or Venompool.
 

Mandos

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So with Silver Surfer coming out for Contest of Champions, is the Fantastic Four gaming ban finally over? Maybe they can be in this game, at least as DLC?
What do you mean we're already only one character short of the New Fantastic Four(Wolverine, Hulk, Spidey and Ghost Rider), and no way does Ghost Rider miss the Game(question is what costumes we'll get).
All kidding aside(as I love and plan to do that team up) in this kinda of game it's easy to add characters up till the end even if some wind up being hidden unlockables. I'd say odds are good Silver Surfer(pops in cosmic part at any point), Human Torch(hanging out with another hero or heck with the inhumans) and Thing(hanging around). Doom is the likeliest causality
 
Sep 20, 2018
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We already know the X-Men are in the game. I don't see why the Fantastic Four wouldn't be.

For me, I feel like they would've been shown or at least mentioned alongside the other teams you can play as if they were going to be in. It would've said something like:

"Assemble your ultimate team of Marvel Super Heroes from a huge cast including the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and more!" if they were 100% in.
 

KtotheRoc

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For me, I feel like they would've been shown or at least mentioned alongside the other teams you can play as if they were going to be in. It would've said something like:

"Assemble your ultimate team of Marvel Super Heroes from a huge cast including the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and more!" if they were 100% in.

You may have a point. I still think the FF may play into this game. We'll presumably have another trailer in a Direct before the game launches. Maybe the FF are being saved for later.
 

Mandos

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For me, I feel like they would've been shown or at least mentioned alongside the other teams you can play as if they were going to be in. It would've said something like:

"Assemble your ultimate team of Marvel Super Heroes from a huge cast including the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and more!" if they were 100% in.
I mean the site does say
'Assemble your ultimate team of Marvel Super Heroes from a huge cast including the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the X-Men, and more'

Which obviously teases as a bunch more teams and characters, and honestly if I' was marketing this I'd spread it out and do a couple new teams and a bunch of characters in each new reveal especially with a marketing tool like directs
 

Bikkun

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Oct 25, 2017
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We already know the X-Men are in the game. I don't see why the Fantastic Four wouldn't be.

The X-Men have been in mobile games since last year but the Fantastic Four haven't been anywhere since, what, 2014? Their gaming rights or whatever are separate and it seems like Marvel was playing keep away with them still for.. some reason. Hopefully Silver Surfer means that's no longer the case.
 

foxuzamaki

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I love how the trailer starts like it's a GotG game; and you are like "hey! a GotG game, awesome!"

Then it goes full avengers, and you think "dude! Nintendo got the Avengers!"

And finally showing Wolverine "*screams*".

How long has it been since a Marvel game with Avengers and the Xmen together? On consoles?
The trailer overall does a hell of a job letting you know that everybody is here (theortically). starts off with GoTG, then showing thanos lackeys which is a hint but not a full confirmation considering the guardians tends to deal with them even without thanos or other avengers. Then they go straight to Tony stark in his suit that immediately goes into avengers confirmation, after that, just for good measure and to put to bed any worries spiderman is separately confirmed aswell as his villains, and then going straight to wolverine to confirm that yes xmen/mutants will be in this game, they will be playable and you will love it. And the. To top if all off while showing multiple high profile marvel villains, ends it on thanos for the full effect, trailer is just really well made with build up
 

Bikkun

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love how the trailer starts like it's a GotG game; and you are like "hey! a GotG game, awesome!"

Then it goes full avengers, and you think "dude! Nintendo got the Avengers!"

And finally showing Wolverine "*screams*".

How long has it been since a Marvel game with Avengers and the Xmen together? On consoles?

On console? Probably Lego Marvel Super Heroes in 2013. Mobile games lasted a bit longer but then the X-Men stopped being released or games came out that didn't have them or the F4 at all.
 

KtotheRoc

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The X-Men have been in mobile games since last year but the Fantastic Four haven't been anywhere since, what, 2014? Their gaming rights or whatever are separate and it seems like Marvel was playing keep away with them still for.. some reason. Hopefully Silver Surfer means that's no longer the case.

I don't think they've announced all the characters in this game yet. They haven't announced Black Panther yet, and I'm sure all of us think he's in the game.
 

Timppis

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With Lockjaw shown pretty clearly in the screens and trailer I would say Inhumans are more of a lock than FF.

Also
 

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I didn't even realize until now that Supergiant is in this.

Everyone is here, brehs.
full
 

Redcrayon

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I dont remember loot in the older MUA games. The hook was unlocking new characters and maybe you could level up your characters (my memory is spotty we're talking xbox360 era)

I dont want random loot
Characters had outfits they could equip and accessories they could find and equip (increasing defence or hit points etc), but they also levelled up. The main mechanic for character development was assigning points you gained on level up to which of their abilities you wanted to make stronger.
 
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Out of nowhere :P I imagine this will make many happy, I remember people I knew a long time ago liked the earlier Marvel Ultimate Alliance games
 

Mandos

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The trailer overall does a hell of a job letting you know that everybody is here (theortically). starts off with GoTG, then showing thanos lackeys which is a hint but not a full confirmation considering the guardians tends to deal with them even without thanos or other avengers. Then they go straight to Tony stark in his suit that immediately goes into avengers confirmation, after that, just for good measure and to put to bed any worries spiderman is separately confirmed aswell as his villains, and then going straight to wolverine to confirm that yes xmen/mutants will be in this game, they will be playable and you will love it. And the. To top if all off while showing multiple high profile marvel villains, ends it on thanos for the full effect, trailer is just really well made with build up

Not to mention the teases like the hand ninjas pointing to the marvel knights and Ultimo teasing Mandarin(well or another mystic villain but most likely Mandarin)
 

KtotheRoc

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The Fantastic Four ban was still going after the X-Men part ended. We only started to see Marvel let up on this very recently with the introduction of Silver Surfer in Contest of Champions.

That's really weird. Hopefully the FF will be revealed in a future Nintendo Direct along with a few other characters.
 

Mandos

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Got bored so tried to find the equivalent trailer for the original game. Not that it's quite the same since you tended to have a teaser and a release trailer rather than the Nintendo cycle of reveal, direct elaborations and a launch trailer but I think this is close


And as much as I enjoyed the original this is looking better... they made art decisions that didn't age well
 

ILikeFeet

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Got bored so tried to find the equivalent trailer for the original game. Not that it's quite the same since you tended to have a teaser and a release trailer rather than the Nintendo cycle of reveal, direct elaborations and a launch trailer but I think this is close


And as much as I enjoyed the original this is looking better... they made art decisions that didn't age well

that dark color palette + bloom doesn't age well