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Masahiro Sakurai presentation announced for Terry Bogard in Smash Ultimate (11/6 5AM PST, 45min~ long)
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Man I just love how much Sakurai loves SNK
Goro is so forgettable he doesn't even make it into the team picture
Maybe he's the one taking it
That's not really how it works.
Imagine asking this in the workplace. What matters are outcomes. And the outcome is a lack of representation.
See above.
Elma is just one example. See above.
Specific character doesn't matter. See above.
Yes. The sole argument is representation. Sure.
From your post it's clear that's less important to you than other factors. And it's the same for Nintendo.
That's the truth. We can have different values and discuss the merits of these values. But let's be honest about it instead of making excuses. To you and Nintendo, getting currently popular characters in is more important than representation.
(Ignoring exceptions constantly made for niche male characters)
I mean for Smash especially Ultimate's launch roster that's kinda exactly how it works.
I never asked for Ridley or K Rool but I understand exactly why they got in before Elma.
Goro is baffling to me. He's such a boring design, but he's on like the main KoF team.
Lara Croft is by far the biggest female character in gaining besides Princess Peach, Zelda, and maybe Chun-Li. She'd be a huge pick for DLC.
Yep. People will shoot down popular female characters by claiming there's more important popular male characters first in line but don't bat an eye when the likes of Joker and Terry get in before Chun-Li or Lara Croft.
As it should be. No character should get into Smash just for their gender, be it male or female.
Chun-Li would be the 3rd character of an already represented series. We don't need her.
Lara, just won't happen being tied to Square Enix. But I would be all for it if it did happens. It's like with Konami owning Bomberman who should have been a character that got in
Lara, just won't happen being tied to Square Enix. But I would be all for it if it did happens. It's like with Konami owning Bomberman who should have been a character that got in
I love how he made the video into kinda a video essay about FF and KoF.
"Y'all motherfuckers asking 'who?', I'll tell you who!"
it's clear he absolutely adores the SNK fighters.
"Y'all motherfuckers asking 'who?', I'll tell you who!"
it's clear he absolutely adores the SNK fighters.
All the background characters probably took away from the budget for that outfit. Would have been sick though.
Well if you want to balance the male/female ratio.
This is the list of potential third party characters that are female, that I can think of:
.n_n.
This is the list of potential third party characters that are female, that I can think of:
Capcom:
Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
Hunter (Monster Hunter)
Amaterasu (Okami)
Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
Square Enix:
Lara Croft (Tomb Rider)
2B (NieR: Automata)
SEGA:
Nights (NiGHTS)
Marvelous:
Asuka (Senran Kagura)
Koei Tecmo:
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Bandai Namco:
KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
Haruka Amami (The Idolm@ster)
Team Shanghai Alice
Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)
Microsoft:
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Activision / Blizzard:
Sylvanas Windrunner / Jaina Proudmoore (World of Warcraft)
Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
Tracer (Overwatch)
Electronic Arts:
Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)
Morrigan (Dragon Age)
Riot:
Ashe (League of Legends)
Valve:
Chell (Portal)
Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
Hunter (Monster Hunter)
Amaterasu (Okami)
Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
Square Enix:
Lara Croft (Tomb Rider)
2B (NieR: Automata)
SEGA:
Nights (NiGHTS)
Marvelous:
Asuka (Senran Kagura)
Koei Tecmo:
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Bandai Namco:
KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
Haruka Amami (The Idolm@ster)
Team Shanghai Alice
Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)
Microsoft:
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Activision / Blizzard:
Sylvanas Windrunner / Jaina Proudmoore (World of Warcraft)
Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
Tracer (Overwatch)
Electronic Arts:
Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)
Morrigan (Dragon Age)
Riot:
Ashe (League of Legends)
Valve:
Chell (Portal)
Watched the presentation and am still surprised some people think this isn't a fighting game.
She's also belongs to Square which in addition to being a pain in the ass to work with has a crap ton of Japanese franchises that probably take priority.
Chun-li is frankly just me not wanting another Street Fighter character.
There are plenty of female fighters I want in. KOS-MOS, Morrigan, Shantae, Arle, I'd be fine with Jill, etc.
I mean that's fair but they were talking about Ultimate not 4. I'm a Fire Emblem Fates fan and even I think that would have been better.
Elma is likely a casuality of how ultimate's roster was made. In a traditional smash 5, she is like 98% sure getting in along with some other ones. With ultimate being fanfocused, at least for the launch roster, she doesn't fit.
As an "avatar" of every human being, NiGHTS is neither male nor female. (Still, I'd LOVE to fight with them in Smash!)
Lewd.
My biggest disappointment is the stage. The KOF stage is bland and generic and so visually similar to many other Smash stages.
So many awesome, detailed stages full of charm and personality in the Fatal Fury and KOF series and this is what they go with?
No Southtown?
I dunno. The whole reason Smash exists is because he felt bad beating scrubs at traditional fighters. Would you really want a developer who loathes the idea of one sided fights making a traditional 2d fitgher? Maybe its cynical, but id expect all kinds of annoying comeback mechanics and limitations.
Understandable when he went into so much detail into them.
Too lewd for Smash
Sakurai: "Disgusting, this is a family friendly Christian Stream...."
The "Terry history lesson" in the beginning was really fun and nostalgic, but the nerd in me is compelled to point out the slightest, tiniest goof that was made: Billy Kane's outfit being used did not first appear in KOF '97- it was introduced in Real Bout Fatal Fury! Otherwise...OK!
So the best formula is pick recognizable then make them fun.In regards to Elma and why she should be in as DLC:
come now, Sakurai clearly likes to pick both renown and obscure characters because he thinks they would be fun. Obviously, notoriety matters but I think his point was that it doesn't factor in alone
the counter argument would be that Sakurai can come up with a fun and interesting moveset for most charactersIn regards to Elma and why she should be in as DLC:
Honestly, the idea of characters being inherently fun to play has always seemed weird to me.
Sakurai made ROB and Mr Game & Watch fun to play. He can make any character fun to play.
I don't know why everyone's posting that image to justify every character under the sun when the text states that it's also important for a character to be recognizable, which isn't anything new. There are tons of recognizable characters, and the fun ones are prioritized. "More" and "just" are key words in the sentence. It doesn't say, "it's important that a character is fun to play, not recognizable." This is middle school reading comprehension!
I'm actually highly amused that Blue Mary got into a game Mai didn't. The better character won.
Sakurai is an incredible game developer and Nintendo letting him do these is an incredible move. He's an absolute Japanese superstar
The way it was spelled out by Sakurai and had attention called to it was itself a pretty funny moment. Don't see why people wouldn't latch onto it.
Garou Terry is a loss, but I'm more upset by the lack of the real Terry Bogard. I don't know who this guy in the jacket is, but that's not her.