I never said Kishimoto was upset about what i'm saying it that people as of late have been suggesting Naruto's success was purely because of the editor and not Kishimoto himself. All jump mangaka have editors to provide input into their stories it's a prefectly normal part of the process and it doesn't mean the work isn't the product of the writer himself.
Sure that's also true but I don't think Samurai 8 is "mediocre crap.' People are always quick to point out that just because something is popular doesn't mean it' s good but the opposite is true as well. Dunno if you've read my original post in this thread where I present my counterargument towards some of the criticisms thrown at this series but I don't think this series is bad at all is think its really solid.
I like Samurai 8, but I don't like it as much as I want to. I find the lore interesting but oh my goodness it's not as complicated as the series thinks it is. I feel with the amount of lore we've seen we should be at chapter like 50-75 not chapter 21.
The amount of exposition so far is definitely of the more legitimate faults in this series but I still really enjoy the world and characters. I like Hachimaru and how he progresses as a character and Daruma as a teacher. I even like Ann despite the fact I wish Kishimoto would move away from the same tired gender roles but still enjoy the character nonetheless.
Being a fan of a creation does not necessarily make you a fan of it's creator and everything (s)he will ever do.
Why should fans of his old content unconditionally support his new stuff regardless of quality
As much as I love World Trigger, it did have a bit of a weak opening, and I feel like its status as a sci-fi series contributed to that.
Most fans agree the final arc sucks as well as many of the arcs before that. Of course that's going to lose a lot of goodwill in Kishimoto.
What's most? Because the manga was still selling a millions of copies right towards the very end.
What are you talking about then? Anecdotal evidence from your experience on forums like this?
Yes.
Why wouldn't they? why invest in something the you don't like? Bleach sales dropped so why didn't Naruto's?
Sure they would. Naruto has always been a high seller, but some volumes have sold millions more than others.
For reference, Robot x Laserbeam, another manga from a big veteran mangaka sold 59,605 copies in its 1st week on sale and it only released 1 volume.
I never once brought up factual evidence just my own observation over the years both in real life and on websites like this. You're the only one using factual evidence to support your argument, despite sales not correlating with what people think of the quality of the series. I mean personally I've been collecting Dragon Ball merch, the entire manga, the entire anime series on DVD and Bluray my entire life and at I think the series is like a 5/10. You can still enjoy something and still recognize something isnt a quality work.
I really can't get the appeal of this mangaka. All of his mangas are trash. Weak story, weak characters, weak narrative, weak everything.You tell me.
Just goes back to my point that sales doesnt really equate to what people think about the series. Sometimes people just need hot trash in their life they can consume consistently because they may like a certain character, or they like a magic system, the art, etc. Naruto is cut from the same clothe though it isnt nearly as bad as Fairy Tail by any stretch.
It should be doing a lot better, tho. Give my boy Denji more love
