I swear I read that some judge said he couldn't delete his tweets because they need to be kept for records.
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Mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio [Update: 9 dead]
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I swear I read that some judge said he couldn't delete his tweets because they need to be kept for records.
I value my connection to the world around me. I don't know how you plan to fight stochastic terrorism by yelling into an echo chamber. I do not place my connection to my family or friends higher than I place the lives of non-white people. That's why I speak out for them. I can appreciate your passion, and even to an extent understand your personal attacks, but I think you're a coward if you can't oppose a group that wants to get rid of all the non-whites in the country.
No one belongs in a cage.
No one deserves to be profiled based on skin color.
No one deserves to be allowed to feel those aren't true statements unchecked.
Yeah, I interact with the other side. We all should be, so they can be overwhelmed and pushed out. That doesn't just happen at the national stage. It happens in your community, it happens in your family, and it happens one-on-one.
I guess AOC doesn't care about people of color either, since she clearly interacts with Trump. She talks to Republicans on a daily basis, and fights with them. Why should I be any different?
I look forward to the photo shop of this at year's end which just has this same tweet with a plethora of other cities tacked on to the end. Ideally with a "remember to vote for me to keep America great!"
I know where you are coming from, and I think that there should be always room for political discussion among people from differing sides. However, to support Trump and his policies you have to be so rotten to the core, that no discussion will change any of your views, so this is a different case.
As for elected representatives interacting with each other, it is part of their job. I don't see for example AOC (since you mentioned it) attending gatherings of white supremacists in her private life, as you apparently like to do.
I somewhat feel badly about the harshness of my words, but what else would you call any visit to your dad other than a conscious meeting with a white supremacist, and how would you call else somebody who regularly meets with white supremacists?
Yep. I remember the trump lawn signs. Currently those same people have "save our streets!" Signs. Which is some NIMBY bullshit to prevent a bus only lane being built on one of our main avenues. Pinellas btw has one of the worst public transit networks in the country because NIMBYs block expansion of it at every turn.
Sounds like people covered my point but I don't love being told I'm being suspect when I believe there's nothing wrong in what I'm saying. I saw multiple posters repeating pure speculation about the sister's boyfriend being black and even a tweet by AOC saying this is white supremacy. It very well could be, but stating it as such or repeating speculation just seems risky. If it comes out to be something else entirely, then the news cycle turns into demands for apology for blaming this shooting on Trump - even though a confirmed white supremacist shooting just happened (we've seen the news do this shit). It's an unforced error that's easily avoidable when no matter why the shooting happened we can talk about America's gun problem.
If we want to talk about white supremacists, there was a shooting just yesterday we can talk about (or a million things the president has done). When/if the motive comes out and if it fits that narrative, we can add it into the mix. Until then, why jump to conclusions when there is plenty to already be mad about when a mass shooting happens?
I get where you're coming from, I have no interest in meeting new people that support Trump. But I'm not gonna give up on family and friends that support him. I live in Montana, almost everyone I know are Trump supporters, but the people I know are not racist. It is possible to support someone but not follow every ideology that person believes in.
I did stop talking politics with them, but mostly because we just disagree on Trump. None of my friends or family believe killing or condemning someone because of their skin. I mean, they wouldn't be friends with me if they were racist, I'm Puerto Rican.
Maybe some clarification of my specific situation will help you understand where I'm coming from better.
I was raised in Dayton in conservative Christian private schools by a conservative Christian family with "traditional family values," and I believed in them.
I am ashamed of the actions I took during that time in my life. Non-white people made me nervous when I was a kid, even into high school. I was heavy into guns and gun culture, and wanted to go shooting with my Dad every weekend. I was stuck in that echo chamber, eating up every word. My mother had been cowed to the point that she was afraid to speak up. I thought gun control was a government conspiracy, designed to funnel us all into a box and make us into slaves.
Then I went to college.
I was called out all the time, and I had friends that were becoming more liberal calling me out on my bullshit. At first I was angry, but over time I started to see the real truth of the matter. I started to understand that yes, there is a gun problem in America. Racism does exist, and oh my god I am a racist. Immigrants are NOT the cause of our problems after all. The evidence to me was overwhelming.
I was a bad person, and I was complicit.
It took me literal years to change my behaviors, and my thought patterns. If I had just been cut off, I'd still be in that alt-right hellscape, yelling into the echo chamber about how fragile my whiteness is. When I sit down with my Dad and talk to him about this stuff, I'm trying to get him out of the echo chamber. I do not go to family events, because I've become somewhat of a "black sheep" for having "communist brainwashing" driven into my head by a "socialist college."
I helped my Mom realize that she needed to divorce my Dad finally, too. Quite a bit of that is because of how nasty he had gotten over Trump and his politics. She's thriving without him, and she gets most of my support. I see my Dad maybe once a month, and there's always an argument and a debate, but I can see it slowly wearing him down. He sent me a text today asking me to help him understand Incels, because he'd never heard of them before. I can't just let my Dad slip back into that echo chamber and keep spewing hate.
Just to be clear, jumping to conclusions is wrong. But I see no harm in speculation or people asking questions, there's a lot up in the air and these situations usually leave people confused. As long as you're not out there stating your theories as factual news. There's also the issue of people not reading enough or covering enough ground on their amount of sources. Usually when the killer is someone of color people have already decided what they are and why they did it. Guess that's why I thought it was odd.
To be frank. I don't think these thought patterns ever go away completely. I think people have to constantly work at keeping certain thoughts and judgments at bay. I think it's a human thing to look at someone and think or assume something--perhaps it's biological and for survival purposes but whatever. Take pride in the fact that not many people can grow the way you did and refuse to look into themselves and actually point out that they were at one point in time a racist. I know many like you that will stay that way forever.
It's still a struggle sometimes. I'll have this issue my entire life. All I can do is try really hard to understand what happened to me, and try my best to be the best I can be every day. I still get uneasy in some situations, and trying to figure out if it's because of the actual situation or the people involved can be soul-crushing. It leads to lots of self-doubt, but I refuse to fall back to the awful human I was. Trying to help other people get out of it is the only way I can see my small voice even possibly ever earning a smidge of penance.
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I want to wish you the best of luck and I truly admire your courage to stand up for what's right.
Damn dude. Good on you, for both changing and trying to change your father. And also helping your mother even if it meant divorce.
Mass shooting 250 on day 215 of the year. Back to back and multiples a day have already been happening
Damn some sound engineer must have had his head blown off if it's meant for ambiance.
So let me get this straight: this guy was shot roughly thirty seconds after he first pulled the trigger... and he still managed to fire enough rounds to kill nine and injure around twenty?
And this with a firearm you can legally purchase for hunting and/or home defense?
I swear, a lot of people in the US are just out of their fucking minds.
And this with a firearm you can legally purchase for hunting and/or home defense?
I swear, a lot of people in the US are just out of their fucking minds.
Yup, he had a drum barrel (100 rounds) He could have killed much more but police neutralized him in 30 seconds and someone grabbed his gun
Even with 30 seconds he likely fired 40-50 rounds.
How many mass shootings have been performed by left leaning individuals in the past, say, 5 years? I can only think of one. Writing a post that seems to suggest that it's just as likely to be one as the other comes across as the very suspect "both sides" pleading those on the Right favor.
Yeah, this is what it's like to be a reformed white conservative Christian person. Made the transition to left atheist a while ago. Your story is similar to mine, albeit not as extreme (no gun culture or paranoia of the government for me)
Not anything that even remotely deserves pity or kudos in my opinion, though. Least we could do to be civilized people with what our family and upbringing instilled in us. Education, people who will challenge you, and an ability to listen and empathize are what people stuck in our situation need to break out.
FUCK THE PRESIDENT
Do we know who made this? I'd like to Credit the author before I share it on our social channels.
Here's the differences between the AR-15 (the civilian model) and the M-4 (the smaller, military equivalent).
The M-4 is capable shooting a single semi-automatic and a 3 round burst (where one pull of the trigger fires three bullets). The civilian AR-15 can only shoot semi automatic (one trigger pull equals one bullet, but the gun auto chambers the next round).
The common thing you hear is that the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle because it doesn't shoot full auto. People like to ignore the fact that members of the military rarely shoot on full auto, as it decreases your accuracy and wastes ammo. I was in the military for 12 years and the only time I ever shot burst was in training just to see what it could do. Its not something you want to rely on in a firefight as it will decrease your accuracy and waste your ammo. When I was in Afghanistan, I carried 4 magazines with 30 rounds each. Those 120 rounds would be the difference between me living and dying if I got in a firefight (thankfully, it never happened). You want to make every bullet count, burst mode takes that away
The civilian AR-15 is a modified version of the M-16 to make it so that you can't swap the parts that enable the three round burst mode. Colt specifically designed the AR-15 so the lower receiver from an M16*/M-4 can't be used on an AR-15 (although it's not that hard to get around if you know what you're doing) The vast majority of other accessories, including magazines, are swappable
Other then that, they're the exact same weapon. These guns are efficient at what they're designed to do because they were designed with the intent to kill people in a combat situation. They're designed to allow the user to fire a lot of shots off in a short amount of time, empty the clip/reload, and get back to firing as quickly as possible while in a firefight. The last thing you want to do is take to long to reload if someone is shooting at you. That's why the AR-15 has been the weapon of choice in shootings like this. You can carry a lot of ammo, it's quick to reload and it allows you to get a lot of shots off in a short amount of time.
The AR-15 is an assault rifle and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.
And yes, the dipshits who treat their guns like an extension of their penis are out of their minds.
*The M-16 is very similar to the M4, just with a bigger barrell and is a bit heavier.
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Hell, there was 7 people shot in Chicago just earlier today. Over 40 just this weekend.
That's the one I saw going around much earlier today. I think people are starting to report that it is.
I thought that that degenerate fuckface cunt was only allowed to delete Tweets from his official account when there is a misspelling or somesuch only to be followed by its replacement. So any idea what that OG tweet was about?
It was basically "God bless the people of El Paso, God bless the people of Dayton".
Yeah, deleting it is illegal but again, nothing will happen because no one will police it.
You know, I have a feeling that Twitter may have been preserving all entries and edits that that racist asshole makes on the platform since Nov 2016.
If this is for real, and it means what I think you're saying, shit's about to get really interesting, isn't it? A united feeling online might get completely and utterly derailed.
Read the fucking thread. I wasn't suggesting anything. Multiple posters were restating some online theories about this dude being left leaning. The constant desire of some posters to claim everything is some "both sides" bullshit is disgusting and how fucking dare you for trying to claim that's what I was doing.
Edit: literally reposted by some above me
You need to look at the motive of the shooting. He wasn't tagetting republicans/ICE, his targets were his sister and her boyfriend. At this point it's hard to argue it was politically motivated regardless of whatever his affiliation is.
So... it's pretty much a military assault rifle in all but name and easily customized to be only slightly less devastating than the genuine article.
Assault rifles-but-not-really. 100-round drum barrels. How can people with the power to actually change gun laws look at this stuff and not think there is no event in which a civilian needs this much firepower? Even ignoring the political climate in the US right now how can anyone feel safe leaving the house when guns like that are legal? What a timeline.
Looks like right wingers finally are getting their 'both sides' argument justification and the media will probably run along with it. This is so senseless and completely ignores the problem. Just the mere fact that this tragedy happened shortly after the other one is impossible to understand, especially when you consider a motive.