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Mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, CA, 13 dead including suspect (Shooter was US Marines vet)
- Thread starter Cosmic Bus
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I notice the trolls are harassing Adam Housley because of his stance on Fox News with the passing of his niece
If you want gun laws, all it'll take is for black people to start buying them en mass.
I had the most sickening feeling watching this. I don't have children and this man's agony cut right through me.
I want to start a charity.
Some people can't afford handguns, we'll help those individuals out. Immigrants, victims of domestic abuse, the homeless, individuals who earn less than minimum wage all deserve to hunt and protect themselves too!
I don't think it can be put all on ptsd. Other issues can include his economic situation, social skills (lack of), and general intelligence. If he was a follower of rightist propaganda, it is not good for his mind.
Tears streaming down my face watching that father talking about his son being killed. My heart breaks for all the families and friends that lost loved ones, I don't know what to say other than that. This country is in an abysmal sad state when it comes to this issue and all that's left is heartbreak.
Because our country is just a giant clusterfuck right now. There are literally so many things happening this moment, a midterm election with Jim Crow-level voter suppression is still going during national protests against the President.
These victims are going to go tragically ignored by a ton of people.
Talking about gun violence is a pretty interesting thing, mostly because I'm afraid to online without a backlash
I don't blame guns for the violence which people decide to use them for, I can't blame the media for showing the aftermath because we need to see it, and you can't single people out for being a bit weird, because so many easy mistakes can be made.
But showing the aftermath of a family breaking down, and the destruction caused because of the tragedy gives that on weird fellow that we aren't able to single out, a power fantasy of self importance in wanting to do something similar.
So all that's left to do is attack each other because there's no real answer on how to stop anything from happening.
I don't blame guns for the violence which people decide to use them for, I can't blame the media for showing the aftermath because we need to see it, and you can't single people out for being a bit weird, because so many easy mistakes can be made.
But showing the aftermath of a family breaking down, and the destruction caused because of the tragedy gives that on weird fellow that we aren't able to single out, a power fantasy of self importance in wanting to do something similar.
So all that's left to do is attack each other because there's no real answer on how to stop anything from happening.
It's a mass shooting in America, I almost didn't even opening the thread because I've seen and heard it all a thousand times before.
It's barely news anymore even when the death count is this high.
I feel sick saying this stuff but it's actually how I feel these days...
nah. I don't see the point of wasting hundreds of dollars on something that will protect me in my home about as well as the shirt on my back.
The video of that lady above breaks my heart to pieces. This should never have happened. This would be huge news in any other developed country. In the US it's just another day! It's fucking nuts.
I can't understand the people who say it's a culture thing or a mental illness thing. Okay! So you have this country with all these mentally ill people and a shit culture, so DONT GIVE THEM GUNS for chrissake!!
I can't understand the people who say it's a culture thing or a mental illness thing. Okay! So you have this country with all these mentally ill people and a shit culture, so DONT GIVE THEM GUNS for chrissake!!
huge election that only happen every four years just occurred
mass shootings happen every month in this piece of shit country
yea im taking a lot of stock in your worthless opinion guy
somehow I've made it more than 3 decades in many different houses in many different cities and parts of the country without a gun to "protect" me, why change that now
somehow I've made it more than 3 decades in many different houses in many different cities and parts of the country without a gun to "protect" me, why change that now
Guns don't protect you, they endanger you. Statistically
This is the truth. Owning a gun is one of the best ways to increase the likelihood that you'll die (or be injured) because of a gun.
I'm just tired of people saying "you need to own a gun". No, no I do not. I am perfectly fine without one. What on earth would I need one for?
Yeah but you'll die feeling in control and isn't that what really matters?
Isn't this only the case if you count suicides and accidents? If you aren't trying to kill yourself and aren't stupid you should be fine.
No, they are being radicalized by white Christian fundamentalism which folds in nativism, atavism, racism, xenophobia, etc.
The only thing that goes through the GOP and NRA's minds is: "Keep quiet and let it blow over"
America is the greatest country on Earth, but it's also a dystopian hellscape where you're being naive if you're not armed to the teeth.
Same thing with a vehicle but thats not really the point. Ideally though, gun ownership should require basic training and proficiency as getting a drivers license.
If you can watch that and still find reasons to defend this country's broken ass gun laws you're a piece of shit. Full stop.
You only feel safe in your own home if you own a firearm? What a depressing way to live. A lot of Americans are conditioned to be scared of everyone and everything it seems. It's so sad.
I noticed that in this shooting, and the in synagogue shooting, among the casualties were trained police officers knowingly responding to the incidents. How is a civilian who is engaged first supposed to protect themselves with a gun? How is a civilian who is out at a bar, presumably drinking, supposed to protect themselves from a trained marine who's detonated smoke bombs?
What were people supposed to do with the Vegas shooter? Sniping from an elevated position? Fire your glock into the side of a hotel and hope you hit the right unit?
Anyone who says America needs more guns is someone living out a macho fantasy where they're Mr. Quickdraw shooting six-irons out of Black Bart's hand and grabbing Miss May by the pussy. It's honestly pathetic and delusional.
Talk about home protection if you want, but this is a thread about a domestic terror attack, so your gun in your home is a non-factor.
Also I think people want security at clubs and concerts to keep guns out, so I don't know how anyone is going to square that circle of "we need people in clubs carrying guns" with "we need security to keep guns out of clubs."
It's pretty telling that the earliest rumours were of a "Middle-Eastern" looking shooter. Americans are so conditioned to associate "brown+foreign" with "terror," even though the vast majority of terrorism is domestic.
What were people supposed to do with the Vegas shooter? Sniping from an elevated position? Fire your glock into the side of a hotel and hope you hit the right unit?
Anyone who says America needs more guns is someone living out a macho fantasy where they're Mr. Quickdraw shooting six-irons out of Black Bart's hand and grabbing Miss May by the pussy. It's honestly pathetic and delusional.
Talk about home protection if you want, but this is a thread about a domestic terror attack, so your gun in your home is a non-factor.
Also I think people want security at clubs and concerts to keep guns out, so I don't know how anyone is going to square that circle of "we need people in clubs carrying guns" with "we need security to keep guns out of clubs."
It's pretty telling that the earliest rumours were of a "Middle-Eastern" looking shooter. Americans are so conditioned to associate "brown+foreign" with "terror," even though the vast majority of terrorism is domestic.
I've seen a lot of "if we make xyz type of gun ownership criminal, only criminals will do it" lately, as if that's a good argument.
You mean, people with illegal and dangerous intent would be easier to spot because what they're doing would be explicitly illegal? Oh god, no. No, don't make it easier for law enforcement and security to spot dangerous and criminal people. That would be such a bad thing.
The people who don't want "only criminals" to be identifiably dangerous is because they seriously do think that a good guy with a gun is going to use up his dead eye meter saving the day. Weird how we've had over 300 shootings this year alone and that hasn't happened even once, even when trained law enforcement have been on scene.
But a vehicle has a purpose outside of causing death. A gun's purpose is death so the fact that it increases the likeliness of death isn't exactly a surprise. That's just a tool doing its job well.
You mean, people with illegal and dangerous intent would be easier to spot because what they're doing would be explicitly illegal? Oh god, no. No, don't make it easier for law enforcement and security to spot dangerous and criminal people. That would be such a bad thing.
The people who don't want "only criminals" to be identifiably dangerous is because they seriously do think that a good guy with a gun is going to use up his dead eye meter saving the day. Weird how we've had over 300 shootings this year alone and that hasn't happened even once, even when trained law enforcement have been on scene.
But a vehicle has a purpose outside of causing death. A gun's purpose is death so the fact that it increases the likeliness of death isn't exactly a surprise. That's just a tool doing its job well.
America is not even close to being the greatest country in the world.
People should stop saying this as it's disingenuous and a GOP talking point.