1. Anubis

    Anubis
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    That's a bad analogy.

    How many countries have banned vehicles versus guns?

    One is a mode of transportation that is seldom used to maim and kill. The other is to kill, period.

    If you are citing self defense, studies show that you are unlikely to find yourself in said situation and if you do find yourself in a precarious scenario, it likely won't help.
     
  2. Night Angel

    Night Angel
    Member

    I should've been clearer. In this thread I'm talking about handguns. Which are generally used for self defense or fun.

    The purpose of a car might be to move fast, but usually people buy them because they have places to go. Not sure what the point is of saying guns shoot projectiles.
     
  3. StevieP

    StevieP
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    The purpose of a gun is to cause destruction. And death. That's what those projectiles do. That's the purpose of the device. It's only purpose. Your country is in shambles.
     
  4. stupei

    stupei
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    The purpose of a gun is to shoot projectiles at very high velocities in order to destroy things. People hunting are doing that. You're doing that when you target shoot and if you ever had to use it for self-defense your intention would be to destroy a part of that human should you fire.

    Be honest about what the tool does. It's not like it's just a car for bullets, somehow a means of transporting something over distance. It's a tool designed primarily for killing, however people might choose to use it for other means.
     
  5. DigitalOp

    DigitalOp
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    This shit kills me inside. Makes me wanna cry
     
  6. Tracygill

    Tracygill
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  7. Mahonay

    Mahonay
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    Bullshit. I’ve gone 32 years with out one. Chicago, Philly, Brooklyn/Queens. Somehow I survived just fine, while not feeling so fearful for my life that I felt the need to arm myself with a gun.

    I’ve had moments in my life where I was so depressed that I thought about killing myself. I can’t imagine how that might have gone if I had a gun in my possession.

    When you introduce a gun it puts yourself and others in instant danger. Period. End of story.

    No one needs a gun to protect themselves. Fuck off with this.

    I can understand the hunting and sporting aspect, but owning a gun out of fear is some straight up corwardly horseshit.

    EDIT: That was in response to the other post you were making fun of. Not towards you. It’s just still pissing me the hell off lol
     
  8. Kasumin

    Kasumin
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    Ah, but what are your statistics gathered meticulously over the years and carefully analyzed compared to my... anecdotal evidence and gut instinct?!

    But yeah, people still saying that the only way to defend yourself is to arm yourself are fucking disingenuous at best, stupid at worst. That's not how it works in any other civilized country.

    I've been watching RDR2 streams lately and this point really stuck out to me. I think people advocating for the "good guy with a gun" scenario really do imagine themselves doing something like this. It's fucking insane.
     
  9. BashNasty

    BashNasty
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    Guns should be 100% banned in the United States except for the most elite of special forces.

    Fuck guns. Fuck everything about them.
     
  10. josaka

    josaka
    Member

    Nope. It's very good at advertising itself as such though.
     
  11. Mahonay

    Mahonay
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    I this it was said in jest
     
  12. chromatic9

    chromatic9
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    This shooter would pass with flying colours.

    Not sure I agree in making America's mentally disturbed, temporarily insane and lonely people better shooters. They don't gain some respect for the firearm and not use it.

    Also means more deaths for police and security like we saw here. No thanks to proficient nutjobs.
     
  13. JustinP

    JustinP
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  14. ShadowSwordmaster

    ShadowSwordmaster
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    Can't wait for America to continue to do nothing about this problem.
     
  15. mAcOdIn

    mAcOdIn
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    I don't disagree with you, I think it's a low enough number statistically to be more or less irrelevant but there are shootings stopped by armed bystanders, the Sutherlands Springs church shooter was engaged by an armed civilian and was either fatally wounded by him or at the least forced to withdraw before being fatally wounded by police, not sure if they ever made the autopsy public and revealed who killed the shooter. So It does happen just not enough to be a serious suggestion in regards to the problem. On a slightly different tangent people use guns in self defense all the time, now I'm sure many of them weren't necessary, I don't know how you'd be able to prove that pulling a gun on an unarmed intruder or assailant was the only use of force that would have ended the situation but it's also equally silly to say that everyone who fended off someone with a firearm would have been able to do the same unarmed. Again, the math bears out that the more we reduce guns the safer everyone is so ultimately I'm in agreement with most of you all here I just don't think we should say an armed bystander or a person never uses their gun to save others or themselves.
     
  16. Dankir

    Dankir
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    Dude they've been doing nothing since Columbine, since Newtown. Now we just wait for the next mass shooting.
     
  17. ShadowSwordmaster

    ShadowSwordmaster
    Community Resetter Member

    That is why I said continue in my post.
     
  18. Spartancarver

    Spartancarver
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    • User Warned: Hostility towards other members
    Get this inbred trash off of Era plz
     
  19. Fuck you. Inbred? You couldn't be more wrong. You are pathetic for even making that comment, but I can I see how you have been conditioned to think that is OK here.
     
  20. AztecComplex

    AztecComplex
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    I’m sure it’s been answered before but was the shooter a white dude? Or was he a POC? I ask because in Trump Era this is unfortunately important.
     
  21. NoblesseOblige

    NoblesseOblige
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    nomination for dumbest sentence of the year
     
  22. I'm not saying you need an arsenal or need to sleep with a pistol under your pillow. Stats don't matter to me. You get one life. Better to have it and never need it (hopefully I won't) than the other way around. You do you, but infringe on my rights.
     
  23. Dr. Mario

    Dr. Mario
    Member

    Soooo who's naive here then?
     
  24. JeTmAn

    JeTmAn
    Member

    You don't need a gun to be safe in America. Guns are used for things other than killing. Both of these statements are true.
     
  25. Red_

    Red_
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    I have close family who moved to the US about 10 years ago who argue the same thing as you, and it blows my mind as a Canadian. They also tell me the horror stories that are everyday news and I see why American's feel this way.
     
  26. Solar Puffin

    Solar Puffin
    Member

    Serious question here, any of you Americans thinking of leaving the country?
    No offense, but Americas situation looks absolutely fucked, and seems to just get worse.
     
  27. Bramblebutt

    Bramblebutt
    Member

    So what does matter to you? The illusion of security? It's not real. Having a gun makes you more likely to be shot.
     
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    I'm not interested in being an outlier.

    Of all the people who get murdered, raped, kidnapped, maimed etc what percentage of those crimes would have been avoided if only they didn't have or own gun? I really want to know the stat on that.
     
  28. iamaustrian

    iamaustrian
    Member

    Fix your goddamn country


    The very definition of having a thread like this every couple of weeks is proof that your statement is wrong.
     
  29. THE210

    THE210
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    The reality is you don't have to pull the trigger to have a gun work as a deterrent. How are we going to track Guns used by people in a non lethal fashion when its often in your own best interest to not report it to the police?
     
  30. PepsimanVsJoe

    PepsimanVsJoe
    Member

    I'd love to leave, but I have nowhere to go.

    Nobody is interested in a college dropout who delivers pizza and is up to his eyeballs in hospital debt.
     
  31. signal

    signal
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    Pretty sure thetrin was joking by contrasting the greatest country on earth statement with the reality of the other half of the sentence.
     
  32. Silent

    Silent
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    America has a gun fetish and it’s really weird. I don’t believe that half the people who don’t want any sort of gun restriction really just want guns for self-defense or to “fight against and oppressive government.” i’m pretty sure people just like the power that comes with owning one. The feeling of shooting it. They marvel at all the types of guns and ammo and collect them like they’re baseball cards. The fact that people treat them like toys or demonstrations of power and protect them at all cost is really disgusting. I don’t even know how to begin to introduce gun reform here. I feel that the ones pushing for the right to own guns are the ones most likely to become violent if there were any large-scale effort to decrease the number of guns in America.
     
  33. BigBluePig

    BigBluePig
    Member

    Try to keep in mind that nothing is ever as bad as international news makes it. You're getting the most sensational stories, and America is absolutely enormous. It's a really nice country to live in, with it's ups and downs, just like any other country.

    I've lived in Japan for many years now, and while I prefer it to the states, they're still a really nice place to live.
     
  34. Solar Puffin

    Solar Puffin
    Member

    I suppose that is true.
    The 24/7 News cycle seems to have everyone on edge constantly.
     
  35. BigBluePig

    BigBluePig
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    Yup. One of the major downsides to (the admittedly necessary) private news stations: their goal is to get viewers, first and foremost, and tragedy sells
     
  36. Morrison71

    Morrison71
    Member

    The thing that blows my mind is when I actually try to talk to people about gun related issues, they still act like violence will happen no matter what.
     
  37. tsampikos

    tsampikos
    Member

    That's stupid.

    Show me evidence that guns solve more problems that they cause.

    No anecdotes... but actual stats.

    Fucking shill...

    I got rid of my guns because I didn't feel safe having them around roomates. It's naive to think the stats are in your favor when guns are around.
     
  38. AstronaughtE

    AstronaughtE
    Member

    The Sutherland shooter killed himself. He was hit, not that it matters much to the 25 corpses he left behind. 26 if you count the unborn baby.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...erland-springs-texas-church-gunman/745951002/

    I just think it's dumb to throw more bodies in the path of evil instead of trying to make changes at national level. This is coming from a person who is first in line to be shot at their job.
     
  39. DeaDPooL_jlp

    DeaDPooL_jlp
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    I wanna pretend to be shocked that this comment is being allowed but unfortunately I'm not.
     
  40. DrSlek

    DrSlek
    Member

    According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.

    More guns will likely not change this percentage all that much.
     
  41. Shill, inbred, what else? I don't need to justify myself to anyone on here, but I voted straight down the line Democrat on Tuesday as did the majority of family and friends. And we are keeping our fucking guns. The end. This may shock some of you but it's not just evil white inbreds that hunt, work in law enforcement, prison guards, ex-military etc that would naturally lead to familiarity and ownership of firearms. By that seems to be the moronic narrative on here.
     
  42. Bramblebutt

    Bramblebutt
    Member

    Say I'm a home invader bent on burglarizing you. I've busted into your home, not knowing you were there. You wake up, grab your gun, and we spot each other in the living room.

    I see that you have a gun in your hands. I am in your house. You have every right to defend your property from me with deadly force. You probably will, because you have a gun in your hands.

    I am going to try to shoot you. I probably wouldn't have before. But now I need to.

    If you have reasonable fear that you are going to be randomly targeted for murder, rape, maiming, or kidnapping, then it's reasonable to keep a gun for self-defense. But the most likely scenario is going to be the one I just described. And in that situation, as awful and unfair as it may be, you are endangering yourself by carrying a gun.
     
  43. BBboy20

    BBboy20
    Member

    And my state is burning down again with a town wiped off the map.
     
  44. jviggy43

    jviggy43
    Member

    Good guys with guns stop a crime less than 3% of the time. Youre living in a fantasy world and are the only one being naive.

    Last year was the first year violent crime rose in over 20+ years. Again, your sense of reality is out of whack,

    Then you better never go on an airplane, amusement park, see a doctor, drive a car-hell go outisde. Sure most of those activities show us that you likely wont die but better to bs safe!
     
  45. y2dvd

    y2dvd
    Member

    Shit like this is why nothing will ever change in America.
     
  46. B-Dubs

    B-Dubs
    Oh well, what the hell Administrator

    Most break-ins happen during the day, if memory serves, when no one is actually home for this very reason.

    Frankly, the scenario you're both talking about hardly ever happens. Most gun owners wind up using their guns on themselves or they get used against themselves or their loved ones. That's why the old lady protecting herself with a gun always makes the news: because it never happens and that makes it newsworthy when it does. If it happened a lot it would never be on the news. Ever.
     
  47. You are right that is unfair and awful. You are depending on the good nature of someone that has invaded your home! I'd rather go out with a fight than be subdued while they search the house and decided what to do with people that weren't expected to be in their own HOME.
     
  48. Dr. Mario

    Dr. Mario
    Member

    If you don't want to be an outlier, then that means you would have to kill yourself a 100 times before hitting a bad guy.

    Unless

    you are the bad guy
     
  49. jviggy43

    jviggy43
    Member

    The presence of guns is more likely to result in violence then they are to deter it. Again I know you dont care about stats (IE reality) but Im just going to continue picking at just how utterly wrong you are on this issue.