Shh, the numbers don't mean *anything*.
Someone told them it was *really* bad over there.
Why is that? They're all rather fine places to live.
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Mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, CA, 13 dead including suspect (Shooter was US Marines vet)
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Shh, the numbers don't mean *anything*.
Someone told them it was *really* bad over there.
Why is that? They're all rather fine places to live.
I live under Sharia law here in the UK don't you know ... /s
Honestly people trying to play down the amount of deaths by guns in the US and point out that "Europe" is like a war zone or something as evidence just makes me lol.
Very sad for the victims and families and my heart goes out to them.
But it's America nothing will change it will happen again.
Could be to do with unemployment or employment prospects and the rise of mental health issues in recent years. Automation, widespread job loss, etc. People have more than ever to be terrified and paranoid and angry about now
Nnnno. These things are incredibly rare in the UK and Europe. In the UK we have a handful of mass murders in the last couple of decades to your hundreds.
That said, the UK is only 60 million-odd people to the USA's 300+ million, so part of it is probability, but even accounting for population difference, the USA is one of the worst in the world.
It's a shame and a very tragic situation. I wish I could have some words for solace but I have not. There is no words that can amend this kind of crime. I'm from Colombia. I was born, raised and probably going to die in a country that every day is at war with itself. Massacres, inhumane crimes are reported in news every day since the day I was born. Hell they year I was born one of the most atrocious massacres in Latin America occurred. All this to say that you to reap wath you saw people. Here we had the opportunity, multiple times, to change the outcome, but the minorities that controls the country with fear monger tactics always get what they want. It seems that USA is suffering from this too. Elections have consequences, and unfortunately the outcome is grimm. I hope you can change the outcome with the results of the midterms and hopefully with the 2020 elections. People around the world, specially in poor and underdeveloped countries ("third world countries) still see USA as a beacon of freedom, opportunity and change. I hope that someday you can be truly that. World needs hope. Some countries in EU, USA and Canada have always from out point of view the bearers of hope.
Sandyhook made me lost most hope and die a little inside tbh.
We had Obama shedding tears on tv, and still nothing could be done thanks to the NRA lobbying and Republicans.
I'll still vote for gun control at every stage and time possible obviously, but looking at reality in the face, way too many Americans are in love with their guns and find violence exciting, for things to drastically change any time soon.
Little reminder, if we need any, of the victims of Sandyhook:
Charlotte Bacon, 6
Olivia Engel, 6
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeleine Hsu, 6
Catherine Hubbard, 6
Ana Marquez Greene, 6
Jesse Lewis, 6
Emilie Parker, 6
James mattioli, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison Wyatt, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Josephine Gay, 7
Chase Kowalsky, 7
Grace McDonnell, 7
And of course the 6 wonderful teachers who also died protecting their kids, aged 27 to 56.
Rachel D'Avino
Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung
Anne Marie Murphy
Lauren Rousseau
Mary Sherlach
Victoria Soto
Every time I think about this I want to weep, but it's becoming harder every day with so much of that shit happening on an almost daily occurence.
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But this basically equates to, "I don't care about facts or logic because I get a funny feeling in my tummy when I think about those places, and that's that."
The shooter posted on Facebook just before the shooting took place pretty much mocking the fact that people's response to these shootings are just ''thoughts and prayers' Everytime.
Crazy. This was more than just PTSD, this guy already had many problems since high school.
Crazy. This was more than just PTSD, this guy already had many problems since high school.
So he was a piece of shit long before he was in the military. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that he had a history of misconduct in the Marines or was even outright kicked out.
Not particularly. Sitting online or just watching my news feeds can feel pretty bad, but then I walk outside my door and remember this place is pretty great. I'm not one of those people who calls America the greatest country on Earth, but if take how much I like America and combine that with the fact that I'd be leaving my friends, family, and business behind, no, it wouldn't be worth it to move.
At some point, I just lack anything to say anymore. For example, the last two times CD Projekt said something bigoted, I commented in Video Games about how it was disgusting, and I wouldn't buy their upcoming game. If they do it again, I probably won't post.
The impact of these shootings is not lessened on me. I am horrified by each one still, and I couldn't watch the videos of the parents in this thread without tearing up. I almost always read every single post in these threads, to learn more and see if anything is being done, but everything I just said is why I don't necessarily make a bunch of posts every time.
Millions of Americans (vast majority) who own guns and never use them to commit crimes. Lots of us who have seen violence impact our real lives as opposed to so many people for whom it's only a scary thing they saw on TV. The bulk of gun violence isn't mass shootings it's poor people getting killed in the hoods all over the nation.
I'm pro reasonable gun control such as strong background checks , flagging people who might be going through some issues and even limiting magazine size. I am not for people telling me I can only have a riffle or a revolver. I don't understand why people want to jump past reasonable gun control the public can agree on straight to ban guns.
I used to be for background checks more education and things of that nature. But in the end it has been over 30 years and the responsible gun owners have dug their heels in every step of the way. Fighting every measure and provision. So if the responsible gun owner is not going to do anything about it then I will support a full on ban.
Have you seen the way this country is going? Be foolish not to have one. You have people on this forum wishing for violence and a revolution in a America and you think you won't need a gun?
Granted I owned one way before Trump, but still. On the off chance those posters get their wish it's nice to know it's there.
Don't even get me started. The damage that GWB / company did to the military and soldiers specifically with the Iraq was is incalculable, and we as a people won't realize the full extent of the fuckery created for 30+ years - especially with the VA being as bad as it was when it has to come treating vets. (Both lack of funding and gross incompetence).
Oh come on, if you're going to call the south asian racist towards other south asians, just do it.
I think a couple of days afterward they brought that the dallas shooter had been messed up from his deployment?
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/d...ged-after-army-deployment-parents-say-n607426
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-micah-johnson-family-military-service-army-afghanistan/
Reminder that this graph is specifically and deliberately misleading - notice it says gun deaths instead of gun murders.
This is gun murders vs gun ownership
This is gun suicides vs gun ownership
The Dallas police shooter was a carpenter whose most traumatic experience in Afghanistan was getting sent home and later kicked out for sexually harassing a female soldier.
This list made me tear up. Sandy Hook was an utter tragedy that should have swayed the hearts and minds of even the most hardened people on the right. Instead, they made it out to be a conspiracy or just didn't care enough. This fills me with immense sadness...and hate, to be honest.
That would be great if you guys properly supported mental health care
The cards are so stacked against us. The govt can't do anything if it doesn't even have any data on gun violence to begin with. The Dickey amendment made sure of that. Now it's 20 years later and the chilling effect of limiting public funds all but gutted the CDC's study into firearm violence. They literally lowered the budget by the exact amount it had used to study gun violence the year before it took effect. That shut down studies on gun violence for literally 20 years. Even the original author regretted that before his death, but here we are.
Combine that with the fact that the ATF is prohibited from creating a searchable electronic firearm database and you don't have to wonder why people who were marked as having law/mental health issues never get addressed before it's too late.
There is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed but we're not even allowed to gather information on it as that's been made all but illegal.
Combine that with the fact that the ATF is prohibited from creating a searchable electronic firearm database and you don't have to wonder why people who were marked as having law/mental health issues never get addressed before it's too late.
There is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed but we're not even allowed to gather information on it as that's been made all but illegal.
Ideally a common sense mesure would be to require a license to own, with a mandatory gun handling and gun storing course (gun safety), as well as a psych eval which would.have to be repeated every 2yrs, on top of a federal (private) database populated by professional psychologists about patients they deem should not be allowed to have guns. Mandatory background checks for every purchase, including private and gun shows would be needed as well.
Put on top a national buy back program, a national red flag program (initiated by relatives and close ones), a full on ban on assault weapons of any kind and high capacity magazines, and we'd have a good start imo.
But none of that will be deemed acceptable by lobbyists any time soon I am afraid, when even measures trying to limit Assault riffles mods to transform semi autos into nearly full autos have such a hard time passing in many places.
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I'm wondering what the dots are for gun murders cause that doesn't match with the reality:Reminder that this graph is specifically and deliberately misleading - notice it says gun deaths instead of gun murders.
This is gun murders vs gun ownership
This is gun suicides vs gun ownership
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Or are you doing the old "Compare third world country's that have gun control to a first world country's gun murder rate" thing? Even then, the spread of the dots are so all over the place that that line can hardly be called representative of anything.
I'm anti-gun but as it stands that would be really hard to implement. I have GAD which is a mental illness. How long until I'm allowed to have a gun? What mental illnesses are exempt and which aren't? It'll never happen except for people who have been involuntarily committed. Though, believing that only mentally ill people do these types of shootings is the real problem. People can be perfectly mentally sound and still commit these disgusting acts. They can be aware it's wrong, in full control, and still do these things, sadly.
RIP to the victims and my condolences to everyone affected. I hate that this is commonplace in this country...So sad...
You keep thinking that, more than enough crime and violence in the world to justify it.
That and raise the age to 25-30 imo
To difficult and fluid a situation to monitor. Yes there should be improvements in mental health care, but there are just too many guns now. If not an outright ban, I actually support the limit to a single handgun and hunting rifle. If people want to possess exotic weapons they should all be locked up at firing ranges. Although I'm not sure how safe that is even.
Yeh with all those lethal knives about you definitely need your guns.
Don't know how I've survived without one all these years outside of America.
So you don't live in America? Well then how the hell would you know what I need?
This isn't just about America though is it?:
And you seem to think the feeling of needing to own/carry a gun around is better than the alternative:
Bless you.
Maybe if you lived somewhere where you categorically weren't allowed to own a gun you'd understand. Walking around without fear of being shot, or without such a level of fear that you feel the need to carry a gun around, that's real freedom.
Fuck this world. How do Republican congressmen and women see something like this and sleep at night?
They can sleep fine. Conservatives lack empathy and can't take things seriously unless it hits close to home. I forgot his name but a US Republican politician did a complete 180 on healthcare once he started fighting cancer himself. I notice this same stupidity with Conservative family.
I'd be interested to know what that one country that's a horrible outlier at the start is that allows that deceptive line to be drawn. :) Any thoughts?
the last terror attack with a vehicle that reached the world news was the one in Barcellona, 2017.
the last mass shooting in America before this one took place, dunno, a week before?
Good thing mental illness is a check box that someone has or doesn't have and nothing you experience in life can impact your mental well being in a way that would make someone who already owns a gun unfit to still have it.
Yes, if only mentally ill people had a flashing sign to warn gun sellers not to sell to them. This guy had never been committed, so there was no available record of his mental illness. This has been the case with most of the shooters who were mentally ill.
They don't give a flying fuck about this woman, the parents of the children slaughtered in Sandy Hook, or any victim...
All they care about is the sweet money that comes from the NRA.
Or like Dick Cheney supporting gay marriage only once he found out his daughter was gay.
Steve Scalise got shot in a mass shooting and he's still a pro gun dickbag.
I don't think that is accurate. I was under the impression that most gun owners support gun control legislation. A total gun ban would be my preference as well if it was actually possible but it is not.
I see people post about banning guns and giving people a time period to relinquish the guns before the government comes to take them. These people clearly don't understand that the government doesn't know who has guns and who doesn't. They don't understand the second amendment is can't be undone. Instead they spout BS about how every gun owener is responsible for every gun death.
From the bbc article
According to the website Gun Violence Archive, more than 12,000 people have been killed by firearms in the US so far this year, including about 3,000 people under the age of 18.
That number does not include an annual estimate of 22,000 suicides via firearms.
12,000! Seriously what the fucking hell America.
According to the website Gun Violence Archive, more than 12,000 people have been killed by firearms in the US so far this year, including about 3,000 people under the age of 18.
That number does not include an annual estimate of 22,000 suicides via firearms.
12,000! Seriously what the fucking hell America.
If this is true, is the implication then that:
A. The majority of non-gun owners are opposed to gun control.
Or
B. The opinions of the people, whether for or against, are inconsequential and thus any talk of gun control is useless.
(A) would be strange, while (B) is very sad and those people who want guns and legislation should be protesting hard because the reason for the 2nd seems to have already come to pass.